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Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:02 pm

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Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend
09/28/2007

Two new destinations should show up on Virgin America's route map within the next three months as the airline's fleet grows to 12 aircraft by the end of November.

Airline VP-Planning and Sales Brian Clark told The DAILY at the launch of the SFO-IAD service that while the carrier couldn't detail the next destinations, metropolitan areas such as New York, Washington and Los Angeles fit well with the Virgin brand.

Virgin America CEO Fred Reid took a broader view noting that flying to nine of the 15 top markets from both Los Angeles and San Francisco has "S curve attributes" -- meaning these markets can sustain cycles of a slow start, rapid growth and then a leveling off.

Operationally, Virgin America is on aggregate performing better than market competitors in terms of controllable delays, Reid noted. He added that during the first month of operations the carrier's planes were more than 80% full.

Comparing Virgin America to U.S. legacy carriers, Reid claims the upstart's unit costs are 30%-60% lower. But he pays attention to JetBlue and Southwest "more than anyone else," due to those carriers' cultures and treatment of customers.

Reid is also pushing for Virgin America to find multiple partners for its Elevate frequent flyer program -- and eventually reach codeshare deals -- early next year.


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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:47 pm

Hopefully there will be at least one city in Texas... Maybe DFW, IAH (or HOU) or AUS???  crossfingers 
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:16 pm

Well, SAN is a given since they have posted a station manager's position. I would guess BOS or MIA would be next.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:34 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
Well, SAN is a given since they have posted a station manager's position. I would guess BOS or MIA would be next.

...and SAN was to be part of the original 6 start-up cities! (Manager's position has been posted since mid-August so I would imagine it is close to being filled; SAN station Supervisor's position has been posted since the end of August.)

And, if this article is to believed, it looks like my hope of service this year will come true.

I would expect SEA or MIA are pretty high on the "next stations" list.

Drop the suspense all ready, Virgin; let us know who, where and when!

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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:44 pm

Taking Fred Reid's comment about the 15 top SFO & LAX markets new cities should be among these;

From LAX
NYC-already served
Bay Area-already served
CHI
LAS
PHX
ATL
SEA
DFW
DEN
DC-already served
HOU
MIA/FLL
PHL
SMF
BOS
PDX
MCO

From SFO
NYC-already served
LA-already served
LAS-already served
BOS
CHI
DEN
DC-already served
SEA
ATL
MSP
DFW
PHL
SAN
PHX
MIA/FLL
DTW
PDX
MCO

So.... Common unserved destinations from both cities are;
CHI, DEN, SEA, ATL, DFW, MIA/FLL, PDX, PHL PHX, MCO

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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:27 pm

I would say SAN and MIA.
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:04 pm

SEA... then ANC!!!!!!!...


SEA for sure soon... ANC is a dream.... but one can hope!!

SEA is what AS is concerned about of course... things to get interesting... Yes...???

I want to see what AS will do to compete.....

Hmmm ... SEA-SFO... SEA-LAX... SEA-SAN.... let the games begin...
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:43 pm

San Diego is one of them. The other is up in the air, I say Boston, Miami, or Seattle. However, for what it is worth, about two weeks ago Virgin America set up a local office and phone number in Miami, next to MIA.
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:01 pm

I thought that I heard the Virgin America had advertisments up in Chicago.... anyway I think that Chicago is on that list if they can acquire slots which are hard to come by without some arm twisting.
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
So.... Common unserved destinations from both cities are;
CHI, DEN, SEA, ATL, DFW, MIA/FLL, PDX, PHL PHX, MCO

I think you left out BOS.

So among those cities, Virgin Atlantic flies to ORD, BOS, MIA, and MCO - if you want to narrow the likely prospects further.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:43 am

Quoting Lono (Reply 8):
SEA... then ANC!!!!!!!...

Keep in mind any flying outside the Lower 48 requires a change in certificate.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
San Diego is one of them. The other is up in the air, I say Boston, Miami, or Seattle. However, for what it is worth, about two weeks ago Virgin America set up a local office and phone number in Miami, next to MIA.

Is looking that way; will report back for sure when I am on campus.
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:09 am

How many carriers are on the BOS-SFO/LAX market?

i think theres at least 3 airlines and LCC service from BOS-SFO/LAX already, NYC its easy to do, BOS might be a little harder. MIA pulls from a smimilar sized area as BOS but with alot less competition.

Of course they could always do PVD for their New England entry  Wink
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:22 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13):
How many carriers are on the BOS-SFO/LAX market

There are 3 carriers on BOS-SFO. UA has 5 x daily flights, AA has 2 x daily flights, and B6 has 1 x daily flight.

There are 3 carriers on BOS-LAX. UA has 3 daily flights, AA has 4 x daily flights and DL has 2 x daily flights

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13):
i think theres at least 3 airlines and LCC service from BOS-SFO/LAX already, NYC its easy to do, BOS might be a little harder. MIA pulls from a smimilar sized area as BOS but with alot less competition.

NYC has a ton of demand, but then again, you have a ton of competiton. CO, UA, AA, DL, and B6 all are in the market offering at least 2 x daily flights a piece.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting B752OS (Reply 14):

Need to also thrown in the B6 BOS flying to OAK/SJC & LGB

BOS-OAK 2x, BOS-LGB 2x, BOS-SJC 1x

LAX & SFO transcon pricing is often driven by what B6 does at these other airports.
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:05 am

VRD224 A320 John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) San Francisco Intl (KSFO) Fri 06:28 PDT Fri 12:16 PDT
VRD231 A320 San Francisco Intl (KSFO) John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) Fri 09:08 PDT Fri 14:04 PDT
VRD235 A320 San Francisco Intl (KSFO) John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) Fri 07:21 PDT Fri 12:16 PDT
VRD238 A320 John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) San Francisco Intl (KSFO) Fri 04:56 PDT Fri 10:41 PDT
VRD311 A320 John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) Los Angeles Intl (KLAX) Fri 04:46 PDT Fri 10:22 PDT
VRD318 A320 Los Angeles Intl (KLAX) John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) Fri 09:19 PDT Fri 14:06 PDT
VRD466 A320 Washington Dulles Intl (KIAD) San Francisco Intl (KSFO) Fri 05:20 PDT Fri 10:46 PDT




I for one hope new cities open...because dispatching transcons is sure to get repetitive!
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:08 am

you'd have to dump a bucket of cold water in me if they even decided to come to PVD. As awesome as that would be, I'd think they would go right to BOS.

Having said that, there is always a small chance. PVD has 'OK' numbers to both the bay and the basin and ZERO nonstop competition AND the ability to draw a little traffic from the BOS area. The other X-factor is that the current O&D numbers to those markets from PVD are highly supressed due to heavy leakage to BOS - Virgin could easily be the cause for many of those pax to use PVD instead of treking up to Logan. Now that WN has shown their hand in terms of not doing much long haul flying, Virgin could take some comfort there since the likes of UA, AA, and/or DL won't touch PVD-Cali with a ten foot pole either.
 
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 15):
Having said that, there is always a small chance. PVD has 'OK' numbers to both the bay and the basin and ZERO nonstop competition AND the ability to draw a little traffic from the BOS area. The other X-factor is that the current O&D numbers to those markets from PVD are highly supressed due to heavy leakage to BOS - Virgin could easily be the cause for many of those pax to use PVD instead of treking up to Logan. Now that WN has shown their hand in terms of not doing much long haul flying, Virgin could take some comfort there since the likes of UA, AA, and/or DL won't touch PVD-Cali with a ten foot pole either.

I'd venture to say BDL has a better chance than PVD for new service.
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:17 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
So.... Common unserved destinations from both cities are;
CHI, DEN, SEA, ATL, DFW, MIA/FLL, PDX, PHL PHX, MCO

I doubt ATL. Aren't they short of gates anyway? Isn't that why Air Tran has been deferring orders? Hopefully in the midwest. More likely, it seems, BOS
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 16):
I'd venture to say BDL has a better chance than PVD for new service.

PVD and BDL dont compete... PVD and BOS do ( to an extent).

PVD can service probably abour 35-40% of the BOS catchment area with the same level of airport (not service/nonstop) convenience as BOS. This will increase once the train station opens.

BDL has a lrge independant catchment area, but is not a convenient alternative for BOS or NYC (if those are your destinations).
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:42 am

First of all, VX, at least so far, has not been shy about entering highly competitive and well-served routes. Second, they have certainly not taken a "SkyBus approach" to their route map by going for secondary airports. And finally, we have not seen enough growth and expansion yet to know what kind of route structure they are really developing so I think it's too early to simply say they will serve all kinds of cities from, and only from, SFO, LAX and maybe JFK. (Despite the implications by Reid in the cited-article at the beginning of this thread.)

I've been kind of surprised by their timetable and a/c utilization to this point. From the actual start-up date of 8/08, thru let's say 4 months (early December) they will be serving a total of 5 cities over 7 routes and using 10 a/c (8x 320s and 2x 319s.) In fact, their current 2/12/08 schedule uses a total of 12 a/c (9x 320s and 3x 319s.) Since I don't know their a/c delivery schedule, I have no idea how many additional a/c they will have when these 2 additional cities are added to the network.

It seems like a rather slow start to me. Their actual start-up seemed to take a while longer than it should have also. I just wonder if they are encountering more problems than anticipated or are just being extremely methodical, careful, and low profile.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing them kick it up a few more notches, especially when my city should be on-line soon! Of additional interest will be the reactions of their current and future competition.

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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:52 am

SAN and MIA are going to be the two new cities IMO.

I'd hope FLL would show up too, or PVD, but I think those are further down the pike.
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:01 am

Small question to throw in on this thread, where are their A319s that they have (N523/524VA) flying to at the moment, and also, what is the timeframe on bringing N521/522VA back from Skybus?

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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 20):
SAN and MIA are going to be the two new cities IMO.

...and I hope Virgin connects the 2 cities with a nonstop while they're at it...  Smile

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:31 am

Any insiders here know when we might hear an official word? As somebody who flies LAX-MIA monthly, my fingers are crossed.
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:06 am

I wonder if VX is changing their hiring procedure. The SAN positions were posted on the web site (as were the previous 5 city's job openings) -- and are still there. But no additional city (e.g., MIA or SEA or BOS, etc.) has appeared yet. And Virgin is claiming both cities will be started within 3 months. AND, MAH' reported seeing a MIA address for VX.

I wonder if they are switching to newspaper adds for newer cities (a little less public than the internet?) or at least some other way of getting the word out that they are hiring. Of course maybe they already have a complete staff ready to go in the elusive 8th city...

If they've had SAN posted since mid-August -- and it's still posted -- and plan on starting service in maybe December ("within 3 months") yet the other city to be started in the same time frame has not even been posted yet... It just makes me think... stealth...?

And I have to admit that the thought has occurred to me that maybe SAN is a red herring and they will do something entirely different. (I sure hope not.)

Has anyone out there on A.net seen any other advertising for jobs by VX in your locality? (Especially Miami?)

I'd sure love to be able to snoop around Lindbergh Field and look for any signs of something being installed or changed or remodeled...

One thing is for sure: the suspense of all of this is, stupidly, right up there with a good Ludlum novel (or whomever actually writes them these days since he's been dead for several years now...  Wink )

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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:24 am

Good to hear about eleVAte. I'll gladly pay a 10-20% premium to fly an LCC that doesn't wipe out your miles in 12 months.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
From the actual start-up date of 8/08, thru let's say 4 months (early December) they will be serving a total of 5 cities over 7 routes

Oooops, my bad (should have counted using my fingers rather than toes): that should read "5 cities over 6 routes." In any case, bad arithmetic aside, that, to me, makes it even slower growth for a new carrier with lots of bills to pay. And to be using 10-12 airplanes to serve just 6 routes (and I do realize many of their flights are transcons) seems somewhat odd as well.

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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting Greenguy01 (Reply 8):
I thought that I heard the Virgin America had advertisments up in Chicago....

Just VS, AFAIK.

Quoting Greenguy01 (Reply 8):
anyway I think that Chicago is on that list if they can acquire slots which are hard to come by without some arm twisting.

ORD slots wouldn't be hard to get. They're a new entrant, so the FAA will make room. Gates, OTOH, are not so easy to get. MDW has far more gate space at the moment.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
It seems like a rather slow start to me.

The fast start was arguably one of the factors that sunk DH.
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 27):
The fast start was arguably one of the factors that sunk DH.

Oh I know. I'm by no means a proponent of furious growth (at the beginning or anytime in an airline's life) but in a case like Virgin's, with all the months of delays and with half a dozen airplanes sitting around for months with nowhere to go, it just seems that they would need to get it going a bit faster.

They originally announced 6 start-up cities. They didn't even get all 6 up and running at the same time; only 5 were in the original schedule release. And just those 5 stations have taken about 2 months to actually all see flights. And it looks like it will be maybe 5 months for the 6th city to finally see service.

Other start-ups this year that I'm aware of have had rather different unveilings. I know that there are MANY differences between Western (XP), ExpressJet (XE), and Skybus (SX) and Virgin but the initial start-ups are my point of interest.

SX started (on 5/22) with 4 cities and 3 routes; by 6/12, they were up to 9 cities with 8 routes, and on 7/18, less than 2 months later, they were at 12 cities, 11 routes, and all with 5 a/c.

XE rolled out their western operation between April 2 and June 4 with 19 stations up and running within 2 months (in early June); 5 additional (eastern) cities were opened up shortly thereafter.

Western/Xtra Airways started flying 1/19 between 4 cities (maybe 5 if RNO is included.) And that's pretty much the end of that story...

All very different airlines with very different business models, different circumstances, very different markets and niches. Nevertheless, most have had much faster starts, as I see it. VX seems unusually slow and I wonder what the reasons are. They're all in the transportation business with lots of expenses and a bunch of competition for the business...

I will go back and look at jetBlue and Spirit and others and see how their initial growth was but I think they will be more similar to the "out of the gate running" model rather than the "roll down the gentle slope gradually gaining speed" idea.

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:03 am

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:08 am

Quoting KPDX (Reply 29):
Please be PDX...PDX...PDX..PDX

Dont know if it means anything, however UA will be dropping its mainline flying between LAX-PDX in February to be replaced by UAX.
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:16 am

I guess since nobody else posted this, but PIT. US is the only carrier, and with a daily A319. I know they're on the radar screen. I guess if PIT isn't announced (which I really don't expect it to be just yet), I give it another 6 months to a year...
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:21 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 31):
I guess since nobody else posted this, but PIT. US is the only carrier, and with a daily A319. I know they're on the radar screen. I guess if PIT isn't announced (which I really don't expect it to be just yet), I give it another 6 months to a year...

It will likely be at least three years before they are at PIT. They have a lot of more important markets to cover. Miami, Boston, Chicago, San Diego, Portland, Orlando, and Seattle are almost a given for the first year of expansion, IMO. Then maybe Newark, Phoenix, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Houston, Denver, Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, and Dallas. Those will likely happen before PIT.

The list that Virgin America put out means zilch. It is just for free publicity.
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:21 am

another reason why Boston might be a chosen city: It was one of the finalists for their HQ, way back when.

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:22 am

Come on Virgin America come to MSP, we need more air service! Wasn't UA going to start MSP-SFO, what was the reason why UA didn't start that route? Since MSP-SFO is only served by two airlines (NW and SY) I think Virgin America starting SFO-MSP would be good for Virgin America.
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:24 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 32):
It will likely be at least three years before they are at PIT. They have a lot of more important markets to cover. Miami, Boston, Chicago, San Diego, Portland, Orlando, and Seattle are almost a given for the first year of expansion, IMO. Then maybe Newark, Phoenix, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Houston, Denver, Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, and Dallas. Those will likely happen before PIT.

The list that Virgin America put out means zilch. It is just for free publicity.

Well it was worth a shot... They are on the radar screen, but that is the ACAA's words... I suppose that means zilch too, given they'll post anything to make themselves look better than they actually are...
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:24 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 32):
It will likely be at least three years before they are at PIT. They have a lot of more important markets to cover. Miami, Boston, Chicago, San Diego, Portland, Orlando, and Seattle are almost a given for the first year of expansion, IMO. Then maybe Newark, Phoenix, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Houston, Denver, Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, and Dallas. Those will likely happen before PIT.

What's the largest market WITHOUT SFO service currently? perhaps they will go that route?
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:33 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 36):
What's the largest market WITHOUT SFO service currently? perhaps they will go that route?

This is a bit of a sarcastic statement, but with the way things are going for US at PIT, it wouldn't surprise me if they lose the only A319 (only plane) to SFO... Then again... nah I can't think of any market larger than PIT with no service. Maybe I am just being ignorant and naieve...  ashamed 
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:34 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 36):
What's the largest market WITHOUT SFO service currently? perhaps they will go that route?

Raleigh is at least 3-5 years away, if ever.
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:37 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 37):
This is a bit of a sarcastic statement, but with the way things are going for US at PIT, it wouldn't surprise me if they lose the only A319 (only plane) to SFO... Then again... nah I can't think of any market larger than PIT with no service. Maybe I am just being ignorant and naieve...

PIT still has service.. doesn't count..

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):
Raleigh is at least 3-5 years away, if ever.

I was just wondering what the largest market was without SFO service.. It was not a "RDU should be next" question..
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:46 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 39):
PIT still has service.. doesn't count..

D'oh!

I still say that SFO days of service is numbered. It may have service now, but I don't see it lasting. I think's it's only a matter of time before US say's that PIT-SFO is unprofitable with barely a 50% LF more or less...
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yea

Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:59 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 39):
I was just wondering what the largest market was without SFO service.. It was not a "RDU should be next" question..

The largest market is RDU, or possibly FLL, but I'm pretty sure it is RDU.
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:36 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
I would guess BOS or MIA would be next



Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
I would expect SEA or MIA are pretty high on the "next stations" list.



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 5):
I would say SAN and MIA



Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 20):
SAN and MIA are going to be the two new cities IMO.

I just hope that all your predictions come true! Can't wait to test Virgin America from MIA...

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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:42 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):

They have been anything but shy away from competitive routes;

SFO-JFK UA/DL/B6/AA w/ CO to EWR
LAX-JFK The same

SFO-LAS UA/US/WN

All very competitive routes

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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 30):

Dont know if it means anything, however UA will be dropping its mainline flying between LAX-PDX in February to be replaced by UAX.

Oh my! I would never have thought UA would drop LAX-PDX. They have flown this for a very very long time. Were the loads just not there anymore? Will they be flying E70s on this route....With that said, what are the chances VX will pick up LAX-PDX. I'd think it can substain two mainline carriers.

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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 30):

Dont know if it means anything, however UA will be dropping its mainline flying between LAX-PDX in February to be replaced by UAX.

Oh my! I would never have thought UA would drop LAX-PDX. They have flown this for a very very long time. Were the loads just not there anymore? Will they be flying E70s on this route....With that said, what are the chances VX will pick up LAX-PDX? I'd think it can substain two mainline carriers.

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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:22 pm

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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 15):
you'd have to dump a bucket of cold water in me if they even decided to come to PVD. As awesome as that would be, I'd think they would go right to BOS.

Having said that, there is always a small chance. PVD has 'OK' numbers to both the bay and the basin and ZERO nonstop competition AND the ability to draw a little traffic from the BOS area. The other X-factor is that the current O&D numbers to those markets from PVD are highly supressed due to heavy leakage to BOS - Virgin could easily be the cause for many of those pax to use PVD instead of treking up to Logan. Now that WN has shown their hand in terms of not doing much long haul flying, Virgin could take some comfort there since the likes of UA, AA, and/or DL won't touch PVD-Cali with a ten foot pole either.

If they went to PVD it would almost be like taking a page out of Southwests or Skybus's playbook (serving Boston WITHOUT serving BOS if you know what I mean - using surrounding regional airports). If we're going to make the argument for that then throw MHT into the mix, although that would surprise me. But PVD would do well I think, they could easily fill 1 daily A319 flight to LAX. You would suck a lot of traffic away from Logan and could easily increase the attractiveness of that if you priced the flight where it was lower than fares out of BOS which are already somewhat decent depending on time of year. You have to consider that a lot of the PVD market takes into consideration the south shore so just about everyone around and south of the Braintree split could be considered a potential customer. It will be interesting to see, hopefully PVD gets it  Smile
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 1):
IAH



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
MCO



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
SEA



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
HOU

yes, yes, yes, YES!!!!

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
ATL
MSP
DFW
PHL
SAN
PHX
MIA/FLL
DTW
PDX



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
CHI
LAS
PHX
ATL

NO!!!!! i want iah, hou, sea, and mco!
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RE: Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend

Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 10):
Keep in mind any flying outside the Lower 48 requires a change in certificate.

Eh????? Change of certificate...???? please explain
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