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US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:30 pm

HI there to all

I have a quick question. Now that US Airways is operating under one certificate, when does the call sign change over to cactus?

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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:43 pm

There are several other topics on this. It is not a gaurentee that it is going to be cactus. It shouldn't be cactus as the airline that used cactus no longer exists. If they took the USAirways name they should also take the call sign
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:44 pm

The FAA has allowed the combined new US Airways to continue to operate with separate callsigns temporarily. Company has not inidicated a firm cutover date to the Cactus callsign yet.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:56 pm

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 1):
There are several other topics on this. It is not a gaurentee that it is going to be cactus. It shouldn't be cactus as the airline that used cactus no longer exists. If they took the USAirways name they should also take the call sign

Remember it was Am West that rescued US Airways. The surviving company name was US but the real company is based in Tempe and is Am West. I like Cactus and think the legacy call sign is a nice fit to a good group of people. US is a menage of varied companies and picking the ONE call sign from them all would be difficult. I would vote for the return of Carolina Blue Piedmont airplanes and call signs but I don't have a vote  Smile
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:56 pm

Lazintl, thanks for the response, and information on what is going to happen! I think they should use cactus, I like it, and it shows what happened since America West is for the most part 95% gone and it is all now US Airways.
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:02 pm

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 1):
There are several other topics on this. It is not a gaurentee that it is going to be cactus. It shouldn't be cactus as the airline that used cactus no longer exists. If they took the USAirways name they should also take the call sign

I was under the impression that America West Bought USAirways, but decided to keep USAirways name. I believe that this would mean that America West is the surviving entity, and the original USAirways as a Corporation, no longer exists. Please correct me if I misunderstand the situation.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:15 pm

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 3):
I would vote for the return of Carolina Blue Piedmont airplanes and call signs but I don't have a vote Smile

What was Piedmont's call sign?
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:48 pm

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 1):
There are several other topics on this. It is not a gaurentee that it is going to be cactus. It shouldn't be cactus as the airline that used cactus no longer exists. If they took the USAirways name they should also take the call sign

What is the basis of your statement?
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:50 pm

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 6):
What was Piedmont's call sign?

"Piedmont" if memory serves....
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:51 pm

By the way, the HP flights still haven't switched over to the USA ICAO code as seen on Flightaware... when is this going to happen?
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:02 pm

Piedmont (Henson) Airlines still uses the "Piedmont" call sign, so it's still out there...
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:23 pm

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 6):
What was Piedmont's call sign?

It was Piedmont, but they also had one of the best paint schemes IMHO. If would add a photo but my skills are not the greatest with the board. But if you look at the PI scheme on the 767's and the 727's it looked really nice. It had a Carolina Blue cheatline and PIEDMONT in red above the cheatline on the forward fuselage. They also had names for all of their airplanes. They also named their airplanes Pacemankers and had some interesting names attached to them.

PI was a very nice company that always treated me well when I would either jumpseat or travel on a ID discounted ticket. I can say the same about many other carriers including US and AW but PI was a neat company.
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:07 am

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 3):
Remember it was Am West that rescued US Airways.

Try and tell that to a USAir pilot.
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:08 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 6):
What was Piedmont's call sign?

I thought it was Hansen?
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:12 am

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 5):
I was under the impression that America West Bought USAirways, but decided to keep USAirways name. I believe that this would mean that America West is the surviving entity, and the original USAirways as a Corporation, no longer exists. Please correct me if I misunderstand the situation

You are 100% correct! I hope they keep the cactus call sign.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:10 am

America West was based in Tempe. The word "Cactus" ws not in the airline's name at all. It merely reflected the airline's southwestern location and heritage. It fit for that reason.

US Airways is now based in Tempe... the southwestern USA, a place characterized by its abundance of cacti. Though I believe that keeping "Cactus" is a nice nod to HP and the past, this callsign also still fits a carrier based in Tempe.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:33 am

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 3):
Remember it was Am West that rescued US Airways.

This isn't exactly right. Nor is the statement 'America West bought US Airways'. In actuality they rescued each other. US was in bankrupcy, and HP was on course for a bankrupcy filing. By agreeing to merge, and using the US bankrupcy as a vehicle to shed unwanted or duplicate assets, investors materialized with capital to fund the merged entity.

The merger agreement included retaining most of the HP management team and making the new company's headquarters Tempe, AZ instead of Arlington, VA. Bruce Lakefield (former US CEO) never had long term plans to run US, as I understand it. He was brought in to save whatever could be saved of the airline.

On the perception that HP bought US:

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 13):
Try and tell that to a USAir pilot.

You are correct to state that saying this will touch a sensitive nerve with a US east pilot. Not only because the statement is false, but also due to the fact that this pilot group feels mis-treated by the combined company. They weren't simply acquired by another airline, putting them at the whim of the purchasing party. They were an equal partner in putting the new and profitable company together. To date, the east pilot group does not feel like their contributions have been fairly rewarded.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:34 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 1):
There are several other topics on this. It is not a gaurentee that it is going to be cactus. It shouldn't be cactus as the airline that used cactus no longer exists. If they took the USAirways name they should also take the call sign

I tend to disagree. The West guys have adapted to the US Airways name, so the East guys really can adjust to the cactus call-sign. I think it's only fair that the west guys get to keep a little piece of that past.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 5):
I was under the impression that America West Bought USAirways, but decided to keep USAirways name. I believe that this would mean that America West is the surviving entity, and the original USAirways as a Corporation, no longer exists. Please correct me if I misunderstand the situation.

Seems a lot of folks are forgetting this.

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 13):
Try and tell that to a USAir pilot.

Don't tell them anything. They have quit listening.

Quoting Spoke2Spoke (Reply 19):
They weren't simply acquired by another airline, putting them at the whim of the purchasing party. They were an equal partner in putting the new and profitable company together. To date, the east pilot group does not feel like their contributions have been fairly rewarded.

I think it's hard to say they were equal partners when East was in bankruptcy. They were and are an important party to the agreement. They are necessary.

"To date, the east pilot group does not feel like their contributions have been fairly rewarded.[/quote]"
And they never will. The days of pay and glory they want are gone for now. Maybe in time crew salaries will come back, but the reality of TODAY is what it is. We ATC types got this message delivered to us last year as well. Pay freeze, new hires on poverty level scales. It sucks, and, the East folks need to get on with things and be a part of the growth that is possible. They could already be getting West scale, be a single Bargaining Unit, and working together on the next contract.

As for the theory HP would have been in bankruptcy before long as well without US,.... possibly. Maybe someone else had plans to take HP the way HP took US. We will never know.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:13 am

As usual, a conversation about the name diverges into an argument over whether US rescued HP or vice versa.

FACT: using "Cactus" as the call sign only makes sense as a throwback to the old HP, a southwestern airline. It doesn't make sense otherwise for an international airline with the stately name "US Airways" to use Cactus. Does that make it wrong? No. BUt is that going to confuse a lot of people in Zurich? Probably.

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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
"Piedmont" if memory serves....

I may be totally mistaken or perhaps having an early memory lapse, but didn't PI (or maybe it was one of their commuters) use something like "Pacemaker" or "Pacesetter" or something like that as a call sign at one point???
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 22):
BUt is that going to confuse a lot of people in Zurich? Probably.

I doubt it. Not many carriers over there use the company name as the callsign. The "stately" British Airways uses Speedbird. FlyBe uses Jersey.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 1):
It shouldn't be cactus as the airline that used cactus no longer exists.

Um... if memory seves, which sometimes it doen't, HP bought out US, not the other way round.

Also, I think cactus is a disgusting callsign, nearly as bad as critter.

I think US Air is by far better. BTW . . . Speedbird is the best call sign out there.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 13):
Try and tell that to a USAir pilot.

You can't tell a US pilot anything!  Wink  Smile That is just a joke....I have several good friends that are US pilots. Most of them acknowledge that US was on the ropes of liquidation when Amwest stepped into the white knight role.
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:04 am

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 14):
Quoting Whappeh (Reply 6):
What was Piedmont's call sign?

I thought it was Hansen?

Negative "PDT" (Henson flying service) is "Piedmont"
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:15 am

Cactus is totally appropriate for any airline. Like most cockpits, cacti are full of pricks.  Wink

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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting PExDCA (Reply 23):

I think they titled their airplanes "Piedmont Pacemaker."

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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:28 am

Bring back the punch, get a Boeing with the Piedmont livery on it and off the Bus, PI never had any Bus....

Quoting SWAOPSusafATC (Reply 27):
Negative "PDT" (Henson flying service) is "Piedmont"

That is correct, but back in the PI day wasn't the Henson call sign simply Henson?

Sorry, off topic but back the the late 80's.....changing a call sign isn't simple, well not how the FAA does it or anything else.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:35 am

Quoting RW170 (Reply 29):
I think they titled their airplanes "Piedmont Pacemaker."

They did, but for some reason I thought they used "Pacemaker" as a call sign too. Like I said, I could be wrong... it has happened before!
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
Quoting Whappeh (Reply 6):
What was Piedmont's call sign?

"Piedmont" if memory serves....

Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe "Piedmont" as a call sign is still used by Piedmont Airlines (flying as US Airways Express based in SBY)
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:57 am

Quoting Chris133 (Reply 32):
Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe "Piedmont" as a call sign is still used by Piedmont Airlines (flying as US Airways Express based in SBY)

Yes, it is.

To recap, again..

In the 1980s..

Piedmont-Piedmont
Henson-Henson

Piedmont goes into USAir(ways)
Henson takes the Piedmont callsign at some point.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:20 am

While the merger was a reverse merger (the buyer takes the name and associated marks of the company they're buying), keeping the Cactus call sign instead of using the USAir call sign fits since the company's headquarters is in Arizona. It gives a nod to the past history of the airline, something that the new ownership has embraced (The "old" US Airways never would have done the Heritage Jets. Ex-PSA employees putting smiles on the a/c was a bone of contention for many years.). They could have gone down the path that AirTran took after the ValuJet-Airways Corp. merger, and came up with a new call sign (Citrus) instead of using either company's call sign (Critter or Manatee), but have instead chosen to embrace their heritage.
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting Lrdc9 (Reply 22):
Um... if memory seves, which sometimes it doen't, HP bought out US, not the other way round.

True but HP no longer exists it is now US Airways. If HP still existed then the airline would be called America West not US Airways. If your gonna take the US name because it was more recognizable then take their call sign also as I am sure it is also more recognizable

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 7):
What is the basis of your statement?

What are you talking about? Basis is that I hear this stuff everyday I am at work. It should be US Air as the call sign. Or better yet how bout they combine them and have it be Cactus Air as the call sign. There you go now you can satisfy both pilot groups.
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:33 am

Yes Cactus is a much cooler name and all the HP pilots are attached to it etc.

But isnt it better to have a USAIR call sign on USAirways planes? This is aviation, and name clarity can sometimes prevent mistakes. Maybe they should print cacti on the napkins and have a cactus mascot, but still identify the planes as whats painted on them : USAir.
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:34 am

Quoting Lrdc9 (Reply 22):
Also, I think cactus is a disgusting callsign, nearly as bad as critter.

Please indulge all of us who live in the desert southwest what is *disgusting* about Cactus being used as a callsign?
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 34):
Please indulge all of us who live in the desert southwest what is *disgusting* about Cactus being used as a callsign?

I cannot think of anything really. It might suck to fall or sit on one though. Now that might be painful and disgusting though.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 33):
But isnt it better to have a USAIR call sign on USAirways planes? This is aviation, and name clarity can sometimes prevent mistakes. Maybe they should print cacti on the napkins and have a cactus mascot, but still identify the planes as whats painted on them : USAir.

Then by using your logic, using "Air Shuttle" as a call sign for Mesa Airlines should not be used, since the name itself can be confusing. Air Traffic Controllers and pilots are trained to have knowledge of call signs and their associated airlines.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 32):
True but HP no longer exists it is now US Airways. If HP still existed then the airline would be called America West not US Airways. If your gonna take the US name because it was more recognizable then take their call sign also as I am sure it is also more recognizable

You're comparing apples to oranges. The airline took the US Airways name because it will have more recognition as a national carrier with consumers.

Consumers couldn't care less about what the callsign is. If they did, America West would've never chosen "Cactus" as the callsign in 1981.

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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting Spoke2Spoke (Reply 16):
This isn't exactly right. Nor is the statement 'America West bought US Airways'. In actuality they rescued each other. US was in bankrupcy, and HP was on course for a bankrupcy filing. By agreeing to merge, and using the US bankrupcy as a vehicle to shed unwanted or duplicate assets, investors materialized with capital to fund the merged entity.

The merger agreement included retaining most of the HP management team and making the new company's headquarters Tempe, AZ instead of Arlington, VA. Bruce Lakefield (former US CEO) never had long term plans to run US, as I understand it. He was brought in to save whatever could be saved of the airline.

Acutally you're wrong. It was a complete buy out of US Airways stock by America West Holdings, the parent company of HP. America West Holdings then merged the two airlines they now owned, calling the newly formed carrier US Airways, because nobody in Amsterdam is going to fly to PHL on America West Airlines.

Because there was a newly formed airline, an ipo was issued under the ticker symbal LCC, symbolizing that this new airline, US Airways, was a Low-Cost Carrier, with low fares, as the former US Airways was traditionally a high-cost, high-fare airline.

HP management is in charge because they were, and still are, in charge at America West Holdings, and now US Airways Group. The company headquarters is in Tempe, because that was, and still is, where America West Holdings, and now US Airways Group is headquatered.
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:45 am

What about embracing "U-S-CACTUS" call sign and try to make everyone happy? That could be a win-win solution...
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:56 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 32):
What are you talking about? Basis is that I hear this stuff everyday I am at work. It should be US Air as the call sign. Or better yet how bout they combine them and have it be Cactus Air as the call sign. There you go now you can satisfy both pilot groups.

You gotta be kidding! Two syllable callsigns are always better than three. The pilots who have a problem with it need to find another job that'll pay them what they think their fat butts deserve. Besides, last year it was determined by Corporate that Cactus WILL be the final callsign, not what you think it should be.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:02 am

I love these who bought who arguments.

Everything that has been stated is part of the truth, so you really have to take all comments and put them together.

Quoting PHXmd80 (Reply 38):
Acutally you're wrong. It was a complete buy out of US Airways stock by America West Holdings, the parent company of HP. America West Holdings then merged the two airlines they now owned, calling the newly formed carrier US Airways, because nobody in Amsterdam is going to fly to PHL on America West Airlines.

If you want to get techinical and follow the money, look to the east. Bruce Lakefield was brought in as the money guy to turn US around. He got together with Doug Parker and came up with a plan to pull the two airlines together. Parker would run it, Lakefield would get the money to make it happen. Lakefield went out and raised the money to fund the merger. These funds were then pooled together to create the new airline and holding company. According to the merger documents, from a "tax purpose" perspective...they would list America West Holdings as the acquiring company for accounting. This also was meant to take advantage of US Airways bankrupcty to blow up the remaining contracts and leases assigned the original legal company so those wouldn't transfer over to the new holding company - which would still bear the same name of US Airways Group. Also, all US Airways Group stock was already nulified in the Bankruptcy Court.

Quoting PHXmd80 (Reply 38):
Because there was a newly formed airline, an ipo was issued under the ticker symbal LCC, symbolizing that this new airline, US Airways, was a Low-Cost Carrier, with low fares, as the former US Airways was traditionally a high-cost, high-fare airline.

Wall Street could careless about the ticker symbol and all. The new IPO was mainly because US Airways didn't have stock anymore thanks to Chapter 11. They wanted to come out of Chapter 11 with new shares to offer the investors that funded the merger and Wall Street. Personally, LCC should have never been picked...as it doesn't apply. US Airways is back to where it is normally at - at the top of the list as far as per seat mile costs.

Quoting PHXmd80 (Reply 38):
HP management is in charge because they were, and still are, in charge at America West Holdings, and now US Airways Group. The company headquarters is in Tempe, because that was, and still is, where America West Holdings, and now US Airways Group is headquatered.

Wrong. The management team in place now is the team was best suited for the job. Not all top executives were from America West...a few did remain from the original US Airways team. The headquarters location also had nothing to do with where America West was from. US Airways was in chapter 11...the Crystal Palace lease rates were stupidly high. They had the ability to finally shed the high lease rates of the Crystal City headquarters and take advantage of the lower rates in Tempe. Could they have jumped out of Tempe and gone east? Sure...if the rates were attractive. Plus, the majority of the money that airline received to make the merger possible is from the East.

Don't assume that every revolves around Tempe, that is the attitude that has the airline split. There are too many people pissed at the other side right now, and if it keeps up - it'll all be back in Chapter 11 before long. US Airways is a company built on mergers over time. It is the airline through its history that has set the standards for most to follow when it comes to airline mergers. To at least say something on topic, should the callsign be Cactus? Sure...who cares. I did like that AirTran created a new callsign after the VJ/AirTran merger...but I really did like Manatee. One thing to note their, VJ was teh buying airline...where is the HQ at? Not Atlanta.  Smile

That's all I have to say on this, people will either open their minds to all the information out there or continue to be closed minded and stand on their side of the line. Do what you want, call people liars or not honest..whatever. The whole argument is really pointless now. What's done is done...where we go from here, that is a discussion for another thread. If you want to talk about ideas on how to fix the problem - let's get that thread going. I'm sure we all have ideas.
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:19 am

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 41):
I love these who bought who arguments.........

Any other than the above explained historical timeline is incorrect. I and a few others have presented proving references and explanations on a-net regarding this matter and yet people still come up with these off-the-wall explanations to obviously bloat their ego. Anyone interested in the Facts about the US Airways - HP mergers ought to keep the above Post as a "sticky" reference of the Facts in this case.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:30 am

How about changing the callsign to something new?

Names from the past:
Smiley (PSA)
Allegheny
Mohawk
Lake Central
MetroJet

Names from current services:
Uniform
Uniform Sierra
U-S
Airways
Shuttle

Callsigns nobody's using at the moment:
Eastern & Western (if the schism persists)
Independence
Clipper
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:18 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 32):
then take their call sign also as I am sure it is also more recognizable

Recognizable to who? PAX don't know and don't care. ATC could care less as long as they answer.

Quoting CactusHP (Reply 36):
Air Traffic Controllers and pilots are trained to have knowledge of call signs and their associated airlines.

Bingo!
Thus, "Speedbird, Citrus, AmTran, Longhorn, Midex, Abex, Empress, Sundance, Air Corp, Arpa, Shamrock, Jetset, Big A, Star Check....... are like seeing Sharon, Stephanie, Debbie, or Ashley and knowing who they are. Well, the exception being you don't want to use the wrong callsign on a woman.  duck 

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 37):
America West would've never chosen "Cactus" as the callsign in 1981.

They didn't.
When they began flying in 1983, the callsign was "America West". It was changed in 1988 or 89 (IIRC). The reason for the change was to reduce R/T confusion as there were many callsigns at the time with the word "West" in them, especially out West. (Southwest, Wings West, Sky West, Western.....more) HP agreed to change if they could get "Cactus."
Getting "Cactus" took some arm bending with FAA and the military because "Cactus" was a military callsign. It worked out.
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:58 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 32):
If your gonna take the US name because it was more recognizable then take their call sign also as I am sure it is also more recognizable

Oh thank God - the voice of logic and reason also points out that people buy tickets based on callsigns...  sarcastic 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:04 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 37):
Consumers couldn't care less about what the callsign is. If they did, America West would've never chosen "Cactus" as the callsign in 1981.

Cactus is one the most recognizable radio telephony labels ever! AWE as controllers would see on their display or flight strips was a soothing of the mind in the day, "LOS ANGELES, CACTUS 23 FL 350" was a great call to hear! I don't give a XXXX about a consumer at this point and mahy others on here don't either.

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 40):
Besides, last year it was determined by Corporate that Cactus WILL be the final callsign, not what you think it should be.

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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:16 am

Ahh...

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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:24 am

Quoting Bkircher (Thread starter):
I have a quick question. Now that US Airways is operating under one certificate, when does the call sign change over to cactus?

Why oh why another thread about the stinking call sign? It will be what it will be when it is announced from corporate. Lets end these discussions about this...It has been discussed to death in other threads.
 
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RE: US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over

Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:39 am

When are they going to use one ICAO code? I thought that would happen when the certificates merged, but the west flights are still coded as AWE.
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