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Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:02 am

Today, I was searching the internet and I stumbled across the Wikipedia WN page. One of the articles I found intresting was


International service
Southwest Airlines has set a goal to begin international services or ticket international flights in 2009. Destinations may include Canada, the Caribbean, and Mexico. In 2010, plans to partner with other carriers for transpacific flights. EUROPEAN SERVICE MAY BE OPERATED BY WN.

Link: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...uthwest-International-Flights.php/

I was shocked! I know they want to provide International service, but i didnt know EUROPE! If they want to begin in 2009 what aircraft will they operate? To Where?

I could see:
CUN,SJU,London City, Paris Orly,NAS,FPO,Aruba,STT, etc...
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:09 am

Although this is interesting, it wouldn't be WN metal. The article states they could sell it through their codeshare with ATA. It would be cool though.
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:12 am

No, as listen to this Kelly said SOUTHWEST will offer service from Baltimore-Washington International Airport to Mexico, Canada and the Caribbean by 2009 and to Europe soon after, once Southwest completes work on modernizing its computer systems. He made the comments at a BWI business group's annual meeting.
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:25 am

Baltimore may also be the jumping point for code share to Europe.

There are several dormant routes to Europe from BWI. They're just
waiting to be flown!

I also believe the State of Maryland would be willing to pony up a
tidy sum of cash to make it happen too.
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
No, as listen to this Kelly said SOUTHWEST will offer service from Baltimore-Washington International Airport to Mexico, Canada and the Caribbean by 2009 and to Europe soon after, once Southwest completes work on modernizing its computer systems. He made the comments at a BWI business group's annual meeting.

Incorrect. From the article you linked:

Quote:
Southwest Airlines Co. is planning to sell seats on ATA Airlines flights from the East Coast to the Caribbean by 2009 and later to Europe, Southwest's CEO told a business group in Baltimore.

Southwest has been upgrading its computerized reservations system for international service on ATA by 2009 for some time. But Chief Executive Gary Kelly's comments Monday appeared to be the most detailed look at the airline's plans for connecting to foreign destinations.

It's just an extension of the codeshare arrangement WN already has with TZ. WN would be selling seats on TZ flights to the Caribbean and eventually Europe. WN flight numbers will be on those flights, but they will not be operating to the Caribbean or Europe.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
London City

London CIty? In case you are indeed referring to LCY, thats impossible. LCY's runway can't handle tatl flights, plus, i think the largest airliner currently certified for LCY is the A318.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:19 am

WN to Mexico next year with their own aircraft. You heard it here first.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:21 am

Well it really depends on who Kelly's audience is and his "real" agenda:
http://www.philly.com/philly/busines..._to_add_international_service.html
If ATA is the partner mentioned for the international feed, BWI would be better than PHL mostly because there would be essentially no competition at BWI. On the other hand if WN code shares with a major international carrier, it would more than likely have to be PHL. I can't fathom WN/ATA supporting the complexities of European services from Both BWI and PHL. Starting in April of next year (Open Skies) things could improve internationally for BWI (external to WN/ATA) as European (and U.S.) carriers test the waters of secondary airports
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
London City

Not with B737's they won't be. It wouldn't be able to land. (Well, it would, but i would bet your ass they'd have to strip it out and use full power for a flight to LHR to get it out again)
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:44 am

Does ATA even have any scheduled trans-Atlantic service anymore?
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:57 am

No I dont think TZ does. All their 757s are hawaii or charter along with all other larger trans-atalantic capable a/c.
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:09 am

Well I would definitely believe this except for the source. You do realize that these pages can be edited by ANYBODY? A few days ago I was looking at the page for KBL and it had AA listed for 12 cities when no carrier in their right mind would ever serve any of those routes (Kansas City was one of the listed).
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:29 am

Would BWI be the only airport they'd launch service from? I have no qualms with BWI. It would give PIT travelers a much better alternative to European travel over JFK and PHL... and the likes of US...
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:35 am

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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:41 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):

Uh, the link did not work...
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 9):
Does ATA even have any scheduled trans-Atlantic service anymore?

No. The only transatlantic flights TZ has are the AMC charters to Europe and possibly also the Middle East.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
ondon City



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 5):
London CIty? In case you are indeed referring to LCY, thats impossible. LCY's runway can't handle tatl flights, plus, i think the largest airliner currently certified for LCY is the A318.



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 8):
Not with B737's they won't be. It wouldn't be able to land. (Well, it would, but i would bet your ass they'd have to strip it out and use full power for a flight to LHR to get it out again)

Additionally, you wouldn't get LCC's landing there.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:12 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 14):
Uh, the link did not work...

Try this one:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...uthwest-International-Flights.php/

Quoting Fllcontinental (Reply 11):
Well I would definitely believe this except for the source. You do realize that these pages can be edited by ANYBODY? A few days ago I was looking at the page for KBL and it had AA listed for 12 cities when no carrier in their right mind would ever serve any of those routes (Kansas City was one of the listed).

See the above link. Yes we all know that Wikipedia is a bastion of inaccurate info, but there are parts of articles that are rooted in truth and are linked to an actually legitimate media article.

[Edited 2007-09-29 05:12:54]
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 6):
WN to Mexico next year with their own aircraft. You heard it here first.

Yeah....I think so....I think they'll do from Texas....but which airport? DAL is out because of the stupid new AAmendment to Wrong Amendment. HOU is not possible because they don't have FIS (or is that FAS?).

The reason I picked Texas because it's WN's home state. And Texas bordered with Mexico...so no worry about ETOP.

Maybe out of PHX. But my bet is out of Texas first.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:36 pm

LAS and LAX could also be good launching points for service to Mexico. I could see a good deal of service to Canada such as YYZ-MDW, BWI, PVD, MCO, STL, MCI
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:41 pm

Quoting AmtrakGuy (Reply 18):
The reason I picked Texas because it's WN's home state. And Texas bordered with Mexico...so no worry about ETOP.

Maybe out of PHX. But my bet is out of Texas first.

I don't know, CO flies to nearly every dirt strip available in Mexico  Wink from Houston, and AA has okay service from DFW, not to mention the Mexican airlines. Market could be there but more likely from AUS or SAT.

I would just take a wild guess and say WN would go from a farther market first; just a guess.

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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:05 pm

Quoting Vctony (Reply 19):
LAS and LAX could also be good launching points for service to Mexico.

Maybe SAN too? It would be unfortunate for us here in SD to have to fly out of our way to catch a flight to Mexico.

I look forward to WN going to Europe even if it is code share. From the west coast they would definitely need to have some sort of IFE or wifi in place for the trip to be bearable though...
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:43 pm

I would not be suprised to see WN proposing to launch MHT-Great Britian flights. MHT being a small (relatively speaking) airport that from WN current markets is closet to Europe. It would probably also cut down on any weight restriction needed to get all the av fuel loaded.

WN would have to work the motions to get ETOPS on the birds selected for these international, overwater routes and there may have to be a reduction in capacity for the fuel, or retro fitting the planes with extended range tanks.

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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:00 pm

Southwest is smart enough to know, they would never survive in Europe against Ryanair, but Southwest has stated they are not interested in anything outside of the U.S. so they will just the codeshare they have with ATA.
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:16 pm

I wonder why nobody puts ISP on "the list" ...

Here in Europe it´s already known that MOL (Michael O´Leary / RYANAIR) is in talks with ISP to serve the NYC-market !
But the big Q is what type of a/c FR will use - since the distance (don´t forget ETOPS) is a bit "stretched" for a 737-800 at MTOW.

Btw.: nobody knows if there are any ties / talks between FR / WN / TZ to set up something ... (it´s not so unlikely as some may believe ! )

Judging the actual situation BWI and ISP are serious candidates on the U.S: side and DUB / SNN / HHN - RYANAIR wise.
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:00 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 5):
London CIty? In case you are indeed referring to LCY, thats impossible. LCY's runway can't handle tatl flights, plus, i think the largest airliner currently certified for LCY is the A318.

 checkmark 

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 8):
Not with B737's they won't be. It wouldn't be able to land. (Well, it would, but i would bet your ass they'd have to strip it out and use full power for a flight to LHR to get it out again)

No they wont. The certification is about being able to follow the steep 5.5deg glidepath. No Boeing jets have that ability.
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:48 pm

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 8):
Not with B737's they won't be. It wouldn't be able to land. (Well, it would, but i would bet your ass they'd have to strip it out and use full power for a flight to LHR to get it out again)

Cloudyapple says it's right, the runway length isn't the main concern. It has a length of 1500m, not terribly long, but long enough for short intra-European hops on a 737 (like being projected with the A318). The glidepath is the problem.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:31 pm

How can Canada - PVD work? It would be cool to see it, but Air Canada can barely keep a B190.
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:32 pm

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 4):
It's just an extension of the codeshare arrangement WN already has with TZ. WN would be selling seats on TZ flights to the Caribbean and eventually Europe. WN flight numbers will be on those flights, but they will not be operating to the Caribbean or Europe.

How probable would it be that WN buys TZ? Many analysis keeping saying mergers are only a matter of time. Call the new fleet, their internaitonal opoerations. Just a thought.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:45 pm

Quoting Jawake: How probable would it be that WN buys TZ? Many analysis keeping saying mergers are only a matter of time. Call the new fleet, their internaitonal opoerations. Just a thought.

That would be a great idea. Hubs would be Baltimore,Chicago,Dallas,and LAS. Secondary Hubs would be MCO,PHX,PHL.And focus cities would be SAN,LAX,HOU,TPA,FLL,BNA and MCI.

The 738 would work great with WN. Some routes would have to be scramed.
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:51 pm

Subsidiary with 787s ??????
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:58 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 29):
Call the new fleet, their internaitonal opoerations

Sorry about the spelling  Smile Southwest International Operations
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:17 pm

I think you're much more likely to see BWI - Europe then from MHT, PVD or PHL.

Quoting Jawake (Reply 28):
Many analysis keeping saying mergers are only a matter of time.

WN and TZ won't be merging anytime soon, you can take that to the bank.
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:10 am

We NEED some discount carriers here in Vancouver - even the AA flights to DFW are packed for much of the year. UA to ORD, packed. If Southwest could bring it's pricing structure to YVR (landing costs aside), we'd be booking WN for certain. When a flight to Seattle from here costs more than SEA to JFK/EWR - you know we're in desparate straights.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:16 am

Quoting USAirways787 (Reply 23):
they would never survive

How many times have people / airlines said that about WN?  Smile

I'm not saying you are wrong, but WN counts on people / airlines underestimating them. Their track record stands. The countless times folks have said, "they will never survive" WN has won an overwhelming majority of the time.

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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting Jawake (Reply 28):

How probable would it be that WN buys TZ? Many analysis keeping saying mergers are only a matter of time. Call the new fleet, their internaitonal opoerations. Just a thought.

They could afford to do it, but if they were to do it, they would have done it when they had the chance to do it on the cheap. When TZ was in Chapter 11, that would have been the time to do it, but instead, they opted to invest in TZ in addition to purchasing some of TZ's assets at MDW.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 5):
London CIty? In case you are indeed referring to LCY, thats impossible. LCY's runway can't handle tatl flights, plus, i think the largest airliner currently certified for LCY is the A318.

 checkmark  correct, Southwest Airlines only have B737s (correct me of i'm wrong) and yes the only airliner curently certified is the A318,so no SWA cannot use LCY. LHR/LGW or even LTN maybe?

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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:05 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 35):
They could afford to do it, but if they were to do it, they would have done it when they had the chance to do it on the cheap. When TZ was in Chapter 11, that would have been the time to do it, but instead, they opted to invest in TZ in addition to purchasing some of TZ's assets at MDW.

Your absolutely right, however, their interest in Europe may only recently developed with the approval of the Open Skies Agreement between Europe and the US. They wouldn't buy TZ when that was still in flux. But with the Open Skies approved, and airlines looking to expand across the Atlantic, it is a new opportunity for everyone, including WN.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:28 am

I could see WN taking a majority share in TZ and operating it as a seperate entity. Though I believe they would need something besides the ex NW D10's. Their 752/3 fleet is utilized pretty heavily between AMC charters and the Hawaii flights. There should be some decent 763's available in the next few years, or WN could leverage some super chaep prices on new builds from Boeing!
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting AmtrakGuy (Reply 18):
DAL is out because of the stupid new AAmendment to Wrong Amendment.

Yep. the very agreement that Southwest Airlines co-authored, signed and promoted.
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting Jawake (Reply 28):
How probable would it be that WN buys TZ? Many analysis keeping saying mergers are only a matter of time. Call the new fleet, their internaitonal opoerations. Just a thought.

Funny joke...while they are codesharing, WN could/would never take ATA for their own. Totally different operation.
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:36 am

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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting N908AW (Reply 40):
Funny joke...while they are codesharing, WN could/would never take ATA for their own. Totally different operation.

I am not pushing for this, but here is my reasoning.

I know they are a different operation, just like EI is different from FR, yet FR is trying to buy EI for various reasons, competition, and I think aircraft. The Airbus 330 would allow them to expand across the Atlantic easily.

TZ has equipment that can get across the Pond, and as we have stated, WN does not. My logic is base only on that. I could be totally wrong, I am just say, there is a relationship, TZ has the equipment, and WN has the interest. Thats all I am saying.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:55 am

Quoting Jawake (Reply 42):
I know they are a different operation, just like EI is different from FR, yet FR is trying to buy EI for various reasons, competition, and I think aircraft. The Airbus 330 would allow them to expand across the Atlantic easily.

Although people berate FR for all it does.. there's no escaping the airlines sucess.


If FR fired half the EI staff
Sold the A320's
Took over the EI European Network
Quadruple the number of A330's and long haul routes

EI would become a major viable european long haul airline... rather than one of europes "hangar-ons".

EI would become a pride of the Irish rather than a stale glass of guiness.
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting Jawake (Reply 28):
How probable would it be that WN buys TZ? Many analysis keeping saying mergers are only a matter of time. Call the new fleet, their internaitonal opoerations. Just a thought.

WN had a chance to buy TZ on the cheap. Instead they removed their partial ownership. I very much doubt WN has thought it was a mistake even once. Right now WN is keeping it simple while they are looking at where they are at and where they are going. It would have been a massive mistake to grab a whole new set of issues and problems right at the time that they are looking at their own company looking at what changes IF ANY should be done moving forward.

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 43):
Quadruple the number of A330's and long haul routes

No, Ryanair would have almost certainly bought a huge chunk of 787 slots. Their model is 1/2 built on being able to buy planes cheap, then if the extra capacity isn't needed kicking the few year old planes on the market at very close to the price they paid, if not more. Airbus's currently policy of sell'um cheap, sell'um fast in regards to the A330 doesn't give the positive prospects for high resale 5 or 10 years from delivery that the 787 would have. So while the A330 has the initial price advantage by a good good margin over the 787 the % of its value 5 or 10 years after delivery is what hurts bad. Recall that the current market is in a serious shortfall of capacity, but with the A330, 777 lines both seeing an increase in rate, and the 787 line starting up we will soon see that "I can't get a frame today for any price" problem go away in a hurry. Already signs that older 767's and the like are seeing drops in value due to... expected drops in value in the future. People are willing to pay more today if its worth more next week, With the "next week" estimates dropping, the price today is dropping.

Very soon in the time frame Airlines/Airframes measure things, the A330 will be the cheap 2nd hand beater of the sky. Sure its decade or more from now that this will be true, but when people sign said decade or longer contracts, it matters.


Anyhoo, I somewhat hope that WN does start flying their own "metal" internationally. I think a 787-9 with 299 seats in their "Y+" would work great. Easy to match capacity with 149Y 737RS domestic. 737RS direct service to "smaller" destinations in Europe would also be a good idea in addition to Canada and Mexico. Securing rights to these routes would be the primary difficulty they would encounter I would assume.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:16 am

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 44):
Anyhoo, I somewhat hope that WN does start flying their own "metal" internationally. I think a 787-9 with 299 seats in their "Y+" would work great. Easy to match capacity with 149Y 737RS domestic. 737RS direct service to "smaller" destinations in Europe would also be a good idea in addition to Canada and Mexico. Securing rights to these routes would be the primary difficulty they would encounter I would assume.

I would like to see that as well. What is the smallest model of the 787s? It would be sweet to see them with the 757-equivalent version of the 737RS, having a 200-seater plane as well when that time comes...
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:15 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 45):
I would like to see that as well. What is the smallest model of the 787s? It would be sweet to see them with the 757-equivalent version of the 737RS, having a 200-seater plane as well when that time comes...

the 788 is the smallest model, but I think it would be just a hair short in room to do 2x 737RS loads. WN's longer pitch burns up floor space. So a 789 might be a a good bit over a "300" seater in normal airline Y only config, it drops rows in going to WN config.
 
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:54 am

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 46):
the 788 is the smallest model, but I think it would be just a hair short in room to do 2x 737RS loads. WN's longer pitch burns up floor space. So a 789 might be a a good bit over a "300" seater in normal airline Y only config, it drops rows in going to WN config.

Ah ok. I guess I am not sure if WN would want a plane that large to go over seas, as if they'd have any trouble of filling one. However, the majority on here think that they'd suit just fine with their continued ATA codeshare, but what if the 757 isn't enough? Suppose they want to fly to FRA or FCO. Is the 757 enough, do they still have L1011s?
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:52 pm

LCY can't handle anything larger than a BAE 146. Hardly a bet for Intl service base. Now Luton...
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RE: Southwest...To Europe?!

Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting StearmanNut (Reply 48):
LCY can't handle anything larger than a BAE 146. Hardly a bet for Intl service base. Now Luton...


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