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AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:15 am

Effective 13 December 2007:

AA 596 MIA 0745-1050 BOS 772 Daily
AA 2742 BOS 1145-1510 MIA 772 Daily

This is a new frequency, not replacing a current one. AA also offers daily 772 service on flights from Miami to Dallas and Los Angeles. The new flight uses a 772 that is otherwise parked at MIA until the afternoon.
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:19 am

Good utilization of a plane that would have probably otherwise just sat around until it headed out for Heathrow, Dallas, or even until the late-night redeyes back south. Surprised they didn't send it to JFK, though.
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:26 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
Good utilization of a plane that would have probably otherwise just sat around until it headed out for Heathrow, Dallas, or even until the late-night redeyes back south.

This plane typically is parked at MIA until around 4PM when it goes to Dallas.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
Surprised they didn't send it to JFK, though.

They did last winter.
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:42 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Effective 13 December 2007:

AA 596 MIA 0745-1050 BOS 772 Daily
AA 2742 BOS 1145-1510 MIA 772 Daily

This is a new frequency, not replacing a current one. AA also offers daily 772 service on flights from Miami to Dallas and Los Angeles. The new flight uses a 772 that is otherwise parked at MIA until the afternoon.

Wow, this is certainly interesting for AA to start up. So this makes BOS-MIA 6 x daily now? What flights does this 772 operate?
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:17 pm

Now we need SJC-LAX with a B777.. stirthepot ...I'm kidding... duck 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:42 pm

This makes perfect sense. On top of not having a 777 sitting, it also helps keeping crew current and getting them more landings. I remember when UA was flying 744 SFO- Hawaii for that very reason.

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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:42 pm

Wow, that's awesome. AA must be doing VERY well on their MIA-BOS route! I guess it would definitely make sense, particularly in the winter with all the carribbean connections.
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:50 pm

But BOS still is going to lose one of its Heathrow 777s, correct? I heard that AA will still field 2x daily but that one of them will change to a 763.

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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting B752OS (Reply 3):
So this makes BOS-MIA 6 x daily now? What flights does this 772 operate?

MIA-BOS would have changed from 5 to 6 daily trips anyway, as it does every winter (5 summer/6 winter). The 772 upgrade is actually a replacement for the 752 on an exisiting, year-round trip, at least one flown the past two years from an equipment and crew scheduling perspective, which departs MIA at 0730-8000 and arrives BOS 1030-1100. The aircraft simply turns to MIA at 1130-1200. The flight numbers and times shown for the 772, #596 and #2742, were to have been the 752 flights. #596 is currently in use as the 752 trip, #1913 is the return (at 1155).

MIA-BOS 752 flights can be flown by MIA, BOS and West Coast-based crews. Lines (day or overnight) now can be such runs as LAX-MIA-BOS-LAX or MIA-BOS-ORD-MIA or MIA-BOS-SFO-MIA, etc., for both flight deck and cabin personnel.

Rather than trips from MIA to LHR and/or other stations south and west, or MIA-LHR-BOS-LHR-MIA, it will be a change and fun to do the 772 between MIA and BOS, at least for the season. You probably will not see the 772 on the route past the winter season, but never say never.

Yes, if you were wondering, 752 scheduling is being tweaked, hence the substitiution for one of the six trips.

[Edited 2007-10-01 15:03:50]
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 5):
This makes perfect sense. On top of not having a 777 sitting, it also helps keeping crew current and getting them more landings. I remember when UA was flying 744 SFO- Hawaii for that very reason.

I have never heard of an airline scheduling flights to help keep the crew current and to give them more landings.
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:48 am

Seems a little optimistic 55 min turn in BOS .
And will this be sold a 2 or 3 class service ?

LGA777

[Edited 2007-10-01 20:49:52]
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 7):
I heard that AA will still field 2x daily but that one of them will change to a 763.

It's only temporary while the triple 7s are being re-fitted with the new J seats; it returns to a 772 sometime in the spring.

Quoting AAL0616 (Reply 8):
MIA-BOS 752 flights can be flown by MIA, BOS and West Coast-based crews. Lines (day or overnight) now can be such runs as LAX-MIA-BOS-LAX or MIA-BOS-ORD-MIA or MIA-BOS-SFO-MIA, etc., for both flight deck and cabin personnel.

A lot of the BOS-MIA flights are flown by BOS-I crews (usually flying trips like BOS-MIA-SDQ-SJU-MIA-FLL-SJU-MIA-BOS).

Oh and BOS-LAX will be a 763 for sometime during the fall/winter/spring (don't know the exact dates).

Matt

[Edited 2007-10-01 21:05:34]
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 10):
And will this be sold a 2 or 3 class service ?

All 772 domestic flights are sold as 2-class except for MIA-LAX.

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 11):

It's only temporary while the triple 7s are being re-fitted with the new J seats; it returns to a 772 sometime in the spring.

It is temporary for now, but it might very well become permanent. With AA's new, much more competive business product, it is no longer necesseary to only fly 772s to Heathrow. By not focusing all 772 operations on Heathrow, AA can free up the equivalent of three 772s for expansion. AA's 772s are heavily underutilzied due to their heavy use to Heathrow, and this has to change. Boston and O'Hare are prime candiates for 763 flights to Heathrow, and AA is testing the waters this winter and seeing how customers react. It might very well become permanent in the future.

[Edited 2007-10-01 21:09:53]
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 5):
it also helps keeping crew current and getting them more landings. I remember when UA was flying 744 SFO- Hawaii for that very reason.

I've never heard of such a thing.
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:31 am

Hopefully thus wont cause MIA-DFW to run late cuz the turns are quite tight for a 777
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:40 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
AA's 772s are heavily underutilized due to their heavy use to Heathrow, and this has to change.

I've thought that since 2003, when we restructured. When management took the 777s off JFK-CDG and DFW-CDG, I saw all our premium passengers leave us for AF, and they haven't returned since. It would be nice to see them on more flying to deep South America- MIA-SCL, DFW-GRU, DFW-SCL and JFK-EZE were all flown with 772s prior to 2003.
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:26 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
O'Hare are prime candiates for 763 flights to Heathrow, and AA is testing the waters this winter and seeing how customers react

My corporate clients would be seriously upset. They are ususally traveling on full J tickets with space available upgrade to F through corportate contracts. They would be much happier if ALL AA transatlantic servces were 3 cabin aircraft. AA just needs more 777s. However a lot of the continental Europe routes just wouldn't support a 777.
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:49 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):

United had an incident with a 747 enroute to SYD that had an engine failure on departure. The FAA concluded that the wrong corrections were made and even though currency was good, more training or actual flying could help. Remember these are crew that may only do 1 or 2 landings or takeoff's per month due to the long nature of their flights. So United stepped up 747 flying from SFO-DEN/ORD/HNL and I think even did a KOA flight for a summer with the 747's.

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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):

Here is a recount:


"On June 28, 1998, a UAL 747-400 that had just taken off from San Francisco International (SFO) experienced a number-three engine compressor stall. The plane shook violently, and the crew shut down the number-three engine. Then, instead of applying rudder, the first officer, who was piloting the plane, used ailerons and spoilers, further slowing the heavily-loaded plane. The stick-shaker stall warning activated, and the F/O pushed the nose over, getting so low that the ground proximity warning activated. The 747 cleared San Bruno Mountain, which is dotted with 600-foot TV towers, by less than 100 feet. At that point, the captain took control, dumped fuel and returned to SFO. In the aftermath of the incident, it was discovered many of the airlines' F/Os were flying for years without making any real-world takeoffs and landings. The incident triggered a top-to-bottom self-audit at UAL and led to new ways of keeping everyone in the cockpit landing- and take-off qualified."


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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:03 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Boston and O'Hare are prime candiates for 763 flights to Heathrow, and AA is testing the waters this winter and seeing how customers react. It might very well become permanent in the future.

Would all of the ORD-LHR flights go over to 763, or just part of the daily schedule?
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 19):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Boston and O'Hare are prime candiates for 763 flights to Heathrow, and AA is testing the waters this winter and seeing how customers react. It might very well become permanent in the future.

Would all of the ORD-LHR flights go over to 763, or just part of the daily schedule?

It would definitely not effect all ORD-LHR flights, but I would not be surprised to see BOS-LHR and RDU-LHR lose their 772s.

Quoting ORDagent (Reply 16):
They are ususally traveling on full J tickets with space available upgrade to F through corportate contracts.

Well, the fact that they fly F on "space available upgrades" is a reason why this change might happen. Those upgrades are all too common on the Dallas/Chicago/Boston-London flights.
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
Surprised they didn't send it to JFK, though.

Because they want to get it back out. Anything going into JFK ain't getting back out on time.

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 6):
Wow, that's awesome. AA must be doing VERY well on their MIA-BOS route! I guess it would definitely make sense, particularly in the winter with all the carribbean connections

I don't know the statistics on the flight, but it might just be effective use of an available airplane. Still with 250+ seats, I can't see them keeping it on the schedule if it is only half filled.
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting 787EWR (Reply 21):
I don't know the statistics on the flight, but it might just be effective use of an available airplane. Still with 250+ seats, I can't see them keeping it on the schedule if it is only half filled.

AA used to fly 3x daily A300s on MIA-BOS, and the planes were often oversold (AA no longer flies A300s to Boston since it saves money not having to equip Boston to handle A300s). They will have no problem filling a daily 777 which, in the way that AA configures it, seats less than their A300s.
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 17):
United had an incident with a 747 enroute to SYD that had an engine failure on departure. The FAA concluded that the wrong corrections were made and even though currency was good, more training or actual flying could help. Remember these are crew that may only do 1 or 2 landings or takeoff's per month due to the long nature of their flights. So United stepped up 747 flying from SFO-DEN/ORD/HNL and I think even did a KOA flight for a summer with the 747's

It was a temporary fix though, no? Because I don't think they are still operating 747 flights from SFO domestically, yet they still operate them internationally, right? I'm not doubting the story, but I have doubts that airlines would run regular flights especially for the purpose of keeping their crews current. Surely there must be a more effective way. What do other airlines do? Most majors in our country have crews that are faced with similar circumstances due to the nature of their flying but they don't operate regularly scheduled widebody flights for the purpose of keeping their crews current. Northwest? American? Delta? Continental?
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 23):

No doubt there are many other ways, but I am telling you how they did delt with the problem at the time. One of my friends was part of the training department in '99. After the finding from the FAA, the internal investigation they started running these flight. Now I'm sure this is not why AA started using this flight, its just more practical then sitting on the ground for a day, but it can be a useful flight for crew currency and training. AA has many more short 777 flights then UA has 747. Currently I do not see any 744 on the domestic runs other then the occational positioning flight or a/c sub.

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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:19 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
O'Hare are prime candiates for 763 flights to Heathrow

....I would stop flying AA over the pond (and they would probably lose a multi-year platinum pax) if they pull something like this out of ORD....

Quoting ORDagent (Reply 16):
AA just needs more 777s

.....IIRC, they have around 7 more on order which haven't been delivered yet...(54 ordered 47 delivered)
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:39 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
Surprised they didn't send it to JFK, though.

They did last winter.

Very interesting. AA may see an opportunity in offering 777 service on the route. If I were looking to fly the route, a 777 would certainly entice me. Maybe, as 787EWR points out, they had issues last winter keeping the aircraft on schedule through JFK. Does JFK have congestion issues at midday, or is it mostly in the evening with all the transatlantic and evening bank B6 flights?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 25):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
O'Hare are prime candiates for 763 flights to Heathrow

....I would stop flying AA over the pond (and they would probably lose a multi-year platinum pax) if they pull something like this out of ORD....

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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:05 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 25):
....I would stop flying AA over the pond (and they would probably lose a multi-year platinum pax) if they pull something like this out of ORD....

F-class revenue on ORD-LHR does not justify flying every ORD-LHR flight with a 772. MIA/LAX/JFK-LHR are where the F-seats easily sell.
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:09 am

I am surprised that they wouldn't run the 777 to ORD instead of BOS.
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:16 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Quoting LGA777 (Reply 10):
And will this be sold a 2 or 3 class service ?

All 772 domestic flights are sold as 2-class except for MIA-LAX.

WHy doesn't AA start selling the aircraft as 3 classes? Or make the sell both the J and F cabin as F and seat the elites in the IFS F portion?

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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:22 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):
Quoting AS739X (Reply 5):
This makes perfect sense. On top of not having a 777 sitting, it also helps keeping crew current and getting them more landings. I remember when UA was flying 744 SFO- Hawaii for that very reason.

I have never heard of an airline scheduling flights to help keep the crew current and to give them more landings.



Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):
I've never heard of such a thing.

SQ uses the A340-500 on one daily SIN-CGK-SIN roundtrip (474 nm, about 90 minutes each way) for that very reason. Otherwise pilots would only get one or two landings/takeoffs a month on the 18-19 SIN-EWR and SIN-LAX nonstops which I believe are the only other routes where they use the 345.
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:26 am

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 29):

WHy doesn't AA start selling the aircraft as 3 classes? Or make the sell both the J and F cabin as F and seat the elites in the IFS F portion?

There is no need to sell 50+ premium class seats on Dallas-Chicago, Miami-Dallas, and Miami-Boston. Elites and full-fare Y passengers get to sit in the C cabin, with coach service.
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:15 pm

Quoting Spoke2Spoke (Reply 26):

Out of curiosity, where would you take your business?

...given the amount of carriers out of ORD-BA, UA, VS and AI, the choices are quite large. Also, since I live in the Bay Area and commute to ORD every few weeks, UA would be a good possible choice....so far however, with only AA66 changing to a B763, it won't change my plans too much...

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 27):
F-class revenue on ORD-LHR does not justify flying every ORD-LHR flight with a 772. MIA/LAX/JFK-LHR are where the F-seats easily sell.

..looks like AA66 is going to be a B763..so I guess it wouldn't be too bad as that's not a flight which I usually take anyway...
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:03 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 31):
There is no need to sell 50+ premium class seats on Dallas-Chicago, Miami-Dallas, and Miami-Boston. Elites and full-fare Y passengers get to sit in the C cabin, with coach service.

Yes, but the problem is we could sure use more than 16 premium seats on the flights. Especially on the early flights from Miami because there are so many J and F passengers connecting from the South America red eye flights.

As far as I am concerned if you got it you should try to sell it.

Remember AA now has the same day upgrade program for non elite flyers so if they can sell upgrades if the cabin does not sell out.

Beside that fact I see lots of elite passengers on two class 777 flights who choose not to upgrade or buy a first class seat because they know that their status will allow them to reserve a seat in the J cabin anyway.

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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:16 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 32):
..looks like AA66 is going to be a B763

Is this the 777 that originates in DFW? If so, does that mean the 777 from DFW-ORD will become 763?
 
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:33 pm

Also, to add, this change is indefinite, not seasonal.
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:47 pm

Interesting to see this change. I can understand their not sending the idle 777 to JFK as they are running the A300s on this route (and perhaps the 762?). This gives another city 777 service domestically and MIA is a great place for that. Good to see AA is being smarter about getting higher utilization out of their fleet and always good to see another domestic widebody flight.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):

I have never heard of an airline scheduling flights to help keep the crew current and to give them more landings.

So what is the DTW-JFK leg of the scheduled NWA JFK-NRT 787 service for?
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RE: AA To Offer MIA-BOS 777 Service

Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:55 pm

Quoting AAtakeMeAway (Reply 34):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 32):
..looks like AA66 is going to be a B763

Is this the 777 that originates in DFW? If so, does that mean the 777 from DFW-ORD will become 763?

...wish I could tell you that....I would say it probably is but I don't have any certain information...
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