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Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:06 pm

Reuters reporting:
http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...sNews/idUSHAN26490820071001?rpc=44

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HANOI, Oct 1 (Reuters) - National carrier Vietnam Airlines has signed a memorandum of understanding to buy 12 Boeing Co (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) 787-8 Dreamliner aircraft, the company said.

The first plane would be delivered in 2015, the state-run unlisted airline said in a statement on Monday.

The memorandum, signed last week in New York, follows a 2005 Vietnam Airlines contract to buy four Boeing 787-8 airplanes for delivery in 2009 and 2010.
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:16 pm

Congrats Boeing and Vietnam Airlines, it will look loverly is their livery.
 
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:19 pm

I take it that when this deal is finalized, it will make 16 firm orders for the 787 from Vietnam Airlines. There's something to be said about having a wide customer base!
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:27 pm

The -8 can comfortably make LAX, SFO and Europe from SGN or HAN. We will see more nonstop growth from these hubs when these birds arrive? And does the U.S.-Vietnam bilateral allow for nonstop flights, or only one-stops via intermediate points (i.e., NRT, KIX, TPE, etc.)?
 
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:55 pm

Looks like they are on shopping spree!

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...sNews/idUKPAC00870420071001?rpc=44

10 Airbus A350-900 mid-sized, wide-bodied jets and
20 A320-family single-aisle jets in a deal worth $3.8 billion at list prices.

Congrats to Airbus 2!

[Edited 2007-10-01 14:57:12]
 
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:58 pm

Congrats to the 787 and Boeing. The 787 fit Vietnam Airlines perfect.
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:59 pm

10 A350-900's will nicely cover the 777 and A333 fleet replacements, so the 787-8s are likely all for new routes?
 
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:00 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
so the 787-8s are likely all for new routes?

Not all of them. But many of the 787 will be used to open new routes.
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:07 pm

VN has 11 787 options, I wonder if they're exercisiong them? Anyone know for certain?
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:11 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
10 A350-900's will nicely cover the 777 and A333 fleet replacements, so the 787-8s are likely all for new routes?

Could someone change the topic to reflect both orders?

Edit: Never mind, there's a separate topic for the A order now.

[Edited 2007-10-01 15:30:12]
 
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:14 pm

WOW, they are on a buying spree! 12 B787, 10 A350-900 and 20 A320!! 787 and 350 can co-exist!!
Congrats to all!! Both birds will look amazing and smart in VN livery.
 
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:16 pm

So here is another airline which is selecting the 787 in its smaller models and the A350 in its larger models for their future WB fleet.

Hmm, seems like the 787/A350 combo is going to be next decades A330/777 combo.

After all said and done on the A330, the 777, the A350, the 787, the occasional A340, when all cards are played it increasinly looks like A and B will justs have swapped strongholds in the WB segment.

Guess it is the logic outcome of a duopoly in which both players almost simultaneously decided to replace their weaker performing models...
 
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:17 pm

Quite an order for both aircraft manufacturers. I never knew so many people wanted to travel there. Great to see they have such demand, and congratulations to all parties!
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:56 pm

The B 788 order is a wise one by VN as it would allow them to open medium density long haul routes flown nonstop from its SGN hub such as those to EU, DXB as well as YVR nonstop if the need arose.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
10 A350-900's will nicely cover the 777 and A333 fleet replacements, so the 787-8s are likely all for new routes?

The A 332s/A333s in VNs fleet are leased in from LX and MAS...does anyone know for how many years these A 330s have been leased for?
 
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 12):
Quite an order for both aircraft manufacturers. I never knew so many people wanted to travel there. Great to see they have such demand, and congratulations to all parties!

Viet Nam has a population of nearly 90M and a lot of expat on the US west coast! A lot a people to move for the occasional family visit! And a lot of touristic interest too.
 
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:36 pm

Quoting A520 (Reply 14):
Viet Nam has a population of nearly 90M and a lot of expat on the US west coast!

Not just the U.S. west coast. There are quite a few Americans of Vietnamese descent on the Gulf Coast as well.
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:46 am

Does anyone know if the 787's are "new" orders for Boeing, or if they've already been accounted for as "Unidentified"? I did a quick check of the Boeing orders site (User Defined Reports) but couldn't really put together 12 unidentified 787s ordered within the same timeframe.
 
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:51 am

The Reuters report noted this was an MOU, so I doubt it's already reflected on Boeing's web site as a UFO.
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 17):
The Reuters report noted this was an MOU, so I doubt it's already reflected on Boeing's web site as a UFO.

I would say not for a long time, as I suspect this is not very real, jointly with the Airbus A350 "draft agreement" (!?) signed in Paris
See Reply 45 "Vietnam Airlines Orders 10 A359's + 20 A320's"

Does anybody know if these are B788 or B789?

[Edited 2007-10-01 22:48:41]
 
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:04 pm

What I find amazing is that the 787 is steaming ahead at full force even with 700+ orders! Its truly established as THE leader in the twin aisle segment. So far, after being on the market for under 4-years it already has 710 orders and this excludes the Qantas and BA FIRM ORDERS for 24+20 additional.

Simply amazing and unparalleled for sure. They definitely nailed this one with respect to market timing; now lets hope Alcoa can follow suit  Smile

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 11):
Hmm, seems like the 787/A350 combo is going to be next decades A330/777 combo

Something tells me this is wishful thinking on your part. I doubt that Boeing will neglect a market that it created.... As pointed out, the only thing preventing a bigger wing and landing gear being put onto a 787-11x is the 777, which I am sure Boeing plans to milk. Since the 350-1000 is scheduled for almost 8-years from now, I'm sure that Boeing will not rush into things; instead they may take the time to do a 737-RS and potentially a 777-NG as interim lift before addressing the final Y3 solution.

I suspect much of the future depends on how the market pans out in the next year or so. This boom cannot continue forever. Years and years of ~1000 orders per manufacturer is not sustainable; nor is that fact that Embraer, Bombardier and potentially the Russians will surely provide a strong 737/320 replacement if the big boys get too complacent.

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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:07 pm

Seems that a mixed 787 and A350 fleet makes sense for many airlines, I hope many others will follow.
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:49 pm

Quoting Iwok (Reply 19):
So far, after being on the market for under 4-years it already has 710 orders and this excludes the Qantas and BA FIRM ORDERS for 24+20 additional.

Anounced orders...but not yet firm (do not appear on Boeing's website) - in negotiation.

LAN - 26
BA - 24
QF - 20

Additional 70 frames.


Total 780

Maybe able to break 800 firm orders by end of year. EK? Any others?
 
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:24 pm

BIT OF AN UPDATE.....

Anounced orders... but not yet FIRM.

LAN - 26
BA - 24
QF - 20 (follow on order)
VS - 8 (follow on order)
VN - 12 (follow on order)

Additional 90 frames.


Total - 800 (710 firm already in the books)

Potential additional orders: DL + AA + EK + EL + ??
 
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RE: Vietnam Airlines Signs For 12 More 787s

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:11 am

Quoting Kbdude (Reply 22):
BIT OF AN UPDATE.....

Anounced orders... but not yet FIRM.

LAN - 26
BA - 24
QF - 20 (follow on order)
VS - 8 (follow on order)
VN - 12 (follow on order)

Additional 90 frames.


Total - 800 (710 firm already in the books)

Potential additional orders: DL + AA + EK + EL + ??

I think that needs some adjustment.

1) VN (only a MOU) is by far not a sure thing and not in th same category as the other four your name, which are not perfected or finalized, but already orders. As you can see from the Boeing announcement, the quantity is also not clear

2) Much more concrete is KU, which switch from ALAFCO to direct and possible enlargement is being negotiated at this moment
ALAFCO will not cancel any of their orders as they realistically expect to lease the KU cancelled frames (and several more) to SAUDIA and OMAN.

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