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Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:51 am




http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-service-entry-with-singapore.html

Airbus confident ahead of A380 service entry with Singapore Airlines.

* Airbus has generated an unprecedented number of flying hours for an aircraft ahead of service entry. The 10 A380s that have flown to date - including five development aircraft - have accumulated over 4,400h in the air and almost 3,400 take-offs.

* SIA will only take one of the 471-seaters this year, and Airbus will station around 30 people in Singapore to support the airline during the early operations.

* On the production side, Airbus has now assembled 23 A380s including the five development aircraft (but excluding the ground test airframes). Three SIA A380s are in Hamburg undergoing cabin furnishing, along with the first Emirates aircraft.

* The first Qantas A380 (MSN014) is undergoing the finalising of its wiring installation in Toulouse as it approaches the "power-on" stage, and should be ferried to Hamburg for furnishing before year-end.

* The first A380 to be equipped with the redesigned electrical system will be MSN026, and Heinen says that the design is now frozen and the installation is due to begin "in the coming weeks". This aircraft should be ready for power-on early in 2008.

* Thirteen A380s will be delivered in 2008, 25 in 2009 and 45 a year from 2010. Output is accelerating towards two aircraft a month, and Heinen says that Airbus is working with suppliers after they slowed or halted manufacturing to "bring them back to speed". Factories will reach four aircraft a month level during 2009 ahead of final assembly reaching four a month in 2010.

* Airbus has completed another round of wake vortex trials using the A380 and other widebodies. Heinen says the data has been "compounded" and handed to the International Civil Aviation Organization for analysis. "Our expectation is we will see further relaxation in the recommended separ-ation distances by year-end."


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Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:14 am

Thanks for the update!

Exciting times ahead.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 UPDATE.

Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:34 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Thanks for the update!

Indeed Wings, thanks for that post.

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
* SIA will only take one of the 471-seaters this year

So at Christmas this year, we'll have one A380 flying SIN-SYD regularly.

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
* Thirteen A380s will be delivered in 2008,

Christmas 08: 14 of the beasts flying. Who will get them in 08? SQ, EK, QF, any one else?

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
25 in 2009

39 at Christmas 09, they will have made their way to many airports, then. Who will also get them in 09? LH, AF?

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
* SIA will only take one of the 471-seaters this year, and Airbus will station around 30 people in Singapore to support the airline during the early operations.

Yes, but I think we'll see a pretty smooth EIS. Those birds have been flying for a long time and been tested under real-life conditions, there should not be many problems.
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
* On the production side, Airbus has now assembled 23 A380s including the five development aircraft (but excluding the ground test airframes).

How many static test airframes are there?

23 is amazing. If 3 are in Hamburg, are the other 20 at TLS? I assume 1 or 2 are flying around for various purposes and there are a couple inside the assembly hall but I assume the rest are just sitting on the tarmac...do we have any pictures? I would love to see 15-20 A380s in one place!
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
How many static test airframes are there?

I know only of the one that was doing fatigue tests in DRS.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Thirteen A380s will be delivered in 2008

Isn't that an increase from what was said before?
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:21 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Airbus has now assembled 23 A380s including the five development aircraft (but excluding the ground test airframes).

- Amazing, never realised so many had been put together!!

Roll on 1st Commerical flight, can't wait for it!!

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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 2):
Who will also get them in 09? LH, AF?

LH will get the first A380 in summer 09.
refer to www.lufthansa.de

[Edited 2007-10-01 21:43:16]

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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 5):
Isn't (13 deliveries in 2008) an increase from what was said before?

No it is not. 13 have been planned for 2008, 25 in 2009, and 45 from 2010 onwards.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Output is accelerating towards two aircraft a month, and Heinen says that Airbus is working with suppliers after they slowed or halted manufacturing to "bring them back to speed".



Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
No it is not. 13 have been planned for 2008, 25 in 2009, and 45 from 2010 onwards.

I get the impression that, post SNAFU, Airbus are being decidedly conservative with the A380 production ramp-up.
I just wonder if we'll see this ramp-up accellerated somewhat..

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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:47 am

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 9):
I get the impression that, post SNAFU, Airbus are being decidedly conservative with the A380 production ramp-up. I just wonder if we'll see this ramp-up accellerated somewhat..

I am sure they will work to lower the backlog as much as possible, even if airlines aren't quite ready to take them all. Like PAE, TLS has plenty of tarmac space.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
Quoting Astuteman (Reply 9):
I get the impression that, post SNAFU, Airbus are being decidedly conservative with the A380 production ramp-up. I just wonder if we'll see this ramp-up accellerated somewhat..

I am sure they will work to lower the backlog as much as possible, even if airlines aren't quite ready to take them all. Like PAE, TLS has plenty of tarmac space.

To complete an aircraft if it cannot be delivered (and paid!) is very costly (in term of cash flow) exercise, unless the component are already in stock. Supplier must be paid, but np money is coming in!
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting Caminito (Reply 11):
To complete an aircraft if it cannot be delivered (and paid!) is very costly (in term of cash flow) exercise, unless the component are already in stock. Supplier must be paid, but np money is coming in!

Fortunately, each A388 Airbus delivers helps pay for the goodies needed to deliver the next one.
 
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Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:48 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
am sure they will work to lower the backlog as much as possible, even if airlines aren't quite ready to take them all. Like PAE, TLS has plenty of tarmac space.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Quoting Caminito (Reply 11):
To complete an aircraft if it cannot be delivered (and paid!) is very costly (in term of cash flow) exercise, unless the component are already in stock. Supplier must be paid, but no money is coming in!

Fortunately, each A388 Airbus delivers helps pay for the goodies needed to deliver the next one.

aft is completed but the

But we were speaking of the case yourself mentioned, if the aircraft when ready is not received nor paid by the customer!  Smile
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting Caminito (Reply 13):
But we were speaking of the case yourself mentioned, if the aircraft when ready is not received nor paid by the customer!  Smile

You do realize that customers put down a deposit and make "progress payments" as the plane is being built?

Neither Airbus nor Boeing build these babies "on credit" and then get a check for the full amount at delivery.  Smile
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:08 am

When will someone order the A380-900?

When will we see it flying at the earliest?

Is a A380-1000 a possibility? Can it be built?

I hope to be on a A380 soon! Congratulations to you who have already been on one, and the ones that have tickets to fly on one soon!

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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:24 am

Quoting WF2BNN (Reply 15):
When will someone order the A380-900?

When Airbus offers it for sale.  Smile

Quoting WF2BNN (Reply 15):
When will we see it flying at the earliest?

Around 3-5 years after Airbus offers it for sale, I imagine.  Smile

Quoting WF2BNN (Reply 15):
Is a A380-1000 a possibility? Can it be built?

It's possible and it could be built, but it likely won't.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting WF2BNN (Reply 15):
Is a A380-1000 a possibility? Can it be built?



Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
It's possible and it could be built, but it likely won't.

Well, just wait until oil hits $100 a barrel. Then we'll see a sheik ordering it, with gold-plated engines!  spin 
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Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:03 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
You do realize that customers put down a deposit and make "progress payments" as the plane is being built?

I am not so sure that Airbus can stretch out the delivery as long as they want and still collect progress payments on their schedule. The longer it drags out, the more it hurts the airlines to pay money without getting anything in return. I am sure part of the "penalty" negotiations dealt with the deferment and discounting of progress payments...
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Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:39 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
I am not so sure that Airbus can stretch out the delivery as long as they want and still collect progress payments on their schedule. The longer it drags out, the more it hurts the airlines to pay money without getting anything in return. I am sure part of the "penalty" negotiations dealt with the deferment and discounting of progress payments...

Aye, and Airbus does have other sources of funding to draw from, including deliveries of other family jets.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:10 pm

The most-interesting part methinks is the wake vortex trials. I am not sure to understand why more tests are required. Supposedly the previous batch of tests covered much more than what's usually needed - and that was already in response to what Airbus felt was overly conservative distances. So what can new data bring to the table?

Point being: the FAA is either right or wrong in its interpretation of the data, but the data were there already.

Unless obviously this is a diplomatic way of providing the FAA a honorable way of backtracking from their "overly conservative" distance separation. As in everybody knows that it does not change anything, but now we can say it's because of Airbus latest tests.

Or am I missing something?
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:20 pm

The article talks about the ICAO wanting additional data, not the FAA...  confused 
 
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Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:44 pm

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Airbus has now assembled 23 A380s including the five development aircraft (but excluding the ground test airframes)

Well, zut alors, here I thought that I was watching the road convoys closely enough that none of them could get past me... each one involves the closure of several public roads over a period of several days, and three of those suckers sneaked right by me! (if this total is accurate-- of course, I hesitate to doubt Mr. Heinen)

Here's a recap of my convoy count.

As of June 2006 this Flight International article tallied the following assembled aircraft in Toulouse: MSN001 thru 012 and 014.

There were also supposed to be a few extra parts... for simplicity, let's abbreviate:
F = front fuselage
M = mid fuselage
R = rear fuselage
W = pair of wings
H = horizontal stab

So in June 2006, according to the article, Toulouse had 13 aircraft assembled and an extra 2F and 3W. Since then, the following convoys took place:

10-Jul-2006 partial convoy, F, R, H. Outstanding: 3F, R, H, 3W
04-Sep-2006 partial convoy, M, R, H -> #14 Outstanding: 2F, R, H, 2W
27-Nov-2006 partial convoy, M, H, W -> #15 Outstanding: F, H, 2W
29-Jan-2007 complete convoy -> #16
19-Mar-2007 complete convoy -> #17
21-May-2007 partial convoy, F, M, R -> #18 Outstanding: F, W
25-Jun-2007 complete convoy -> #19
27-Aug-2007 complete convoy -> #20
01-Oct-2007 complete convoy -> #21

So, by my possibly flawed count, today there are 20 frames assembled (5 test aircraft and 15 customer aircraft), plus the busted static airframe and the fatigue airframe in Dresden, for a grand total of 22. The 23rd one that is going in this week won't be assembled for a few days yet.

So I wonder if the fatigue and static test airframes were included in the 23? After all it wasn't a direct Heinen quote...

FWIW, three more convoys planned for this year:
15-Oct-2007
5-Nov-2007
10-Dec-2007

Can anybody fill in the blanks, if any?
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:01 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
I get the impression that, post SNAFU, Airbus are being decidedly conservative with the A380 production ramp-up. I just wonder if we'll see this ramp-up accellerated somewhat..
I am sure they will work to lower the backlog as much as possible, even if airlines aren't quite ready to take them all. Like PAE, TLS has plenty of tarmac space.

So much odd information in these posts. If I read correctly, there are 20 frames assembled in TLS. But it will take until 18 months from now for them to be delivered. And we're saying that is a conservative ramp-up, no I think it is glacial. And why would the airlines not be ready for them, deliveries in 2009 and beyond should be much more than 2 years behind original quoted delivery dates.

I fully expect this plane will set new standards of accomodation in the air and be a dream for the passenger. For the manufacturer, not such a good thing.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:21 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
How many static test airframes are there?

There is one is one (1) STATIC test airframe and one (1) FATIGUE test airframe.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
am not so sure that Airbus can stretch out the delivery as long as they want and still collect progress payments on their schedule. The longer it drags out, the more it hurts the airlines to pay money without getting anything in return. I am sure part of the "penalty" negotiations dealt with the deferment and discounting of progress payments...

The customer pay the progress payments when certain milestones are met; contract signed, production started, final assembly completed, first flight, delivery. They don't pay when the airframe is being rewired because the first wiring was incorrect.

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Airbus has generated an unprecedented number of flying hours for an aircraft ahead of service entry. The 10 A380s that have flown to date - including five development aircraft - have accumulated over 4,400h in the air and almost 3,400 take-offs.

This is understandable since Airbus has had over two years delay in delivery and have been test flying all that time. If the first aircraft would have been delivered on time the flight test hours would have been much lower.
 
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Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:07 pm

Quoting Tootallsd (Reply 23):
I fully expect this plane will set new standards of accomodation in the air and be a dream for the passenger. For the manufacturer, not such a good thing.

The 380 will set new standards for civil aviaton in general but the average passenger will only have his normal seat.
 
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Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:17 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 24):
The customer pay the progress payments when certain milestones are met; contract signed, production started, final assembly completed, first flight, delivery. They don't pay when the airframe is being rewired because the first wiring was incorrect.

Yes, but the airlines also expect the plane to be built in a certain timeframe, and if that timeframe is stretched 18 months, the time value of the money you spent on the "production start" is greater than it should be once the plane actually gets delivered. Thus, part of the penalty airbus would negotiate, is to make up for that cost. And on top of that, not only was there lost revenue by airlines having to delay entry into service, but there was the money spent in 2005 to prepare for 2006 that could have been spent in 2007 to prepare for 2008. And the opportunity cost of not spending that money elsewhere. It might be as simple as Airbus paying the airline "interest" for the "loan" of the money.
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:21 pm

unless i'm missing something, does anyone know for certain when the inaugural a380 commercial flight for Singapore will be?
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Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:33 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
I am not so sure that Airbus can stretch out the delivery as long as they want and still collect progress payments on their schedule.

Indeed. My point regarding post-SNAFU conservatism was that IMO Airbus face some very severe penalties for missing THIS programme, and consequently last year placed the delivery schedule very high up the "likelihood" curve.
They now appear capable of beating this production schedule.
It's perhaps interesting to conject what contractual issues might arise as a result

Quoting Dxborbust (Reply 27):
unless i'm missing something, does anyone know for certain when the inaugural a380 commercial flight for Singapore will be?

Yep! You're missing something.  Smile

This thread..
Airbus A380 - The Final Countdown. (by WINGS Sep 17 2007 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:33 pm

Quoting Dxborbust (Reply 27):
unless i'm missing something

You are missing something... all it takes is to warm up your little fingers and type www.singaporeair.com

(edit: on second thought, please accept my apologies for being rude... welcome to a.net)

[Edited 2007-10-02 08:01:26]
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:27 pm

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 22):
Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Airbus has now assembled 23 A380s including the five development aircraft (but excluding the ground test airframes)

Well, zut alors, here I thought that I was watching the road convoys closely enough that none of them could get past me... each one involves the closure of several public roads over a period of several days, and three of those suckers sneaked right by me! (if this total is accurate-- of course, I hesitate to doubt Mr. Heinen)

C'est formidable. But we need further explanation of your methods WM. Do you use visual ID or can you not rely on detection of the vibration from the trucks! Your eyes could have taken a temporary "rest". A small seismograph would seem to be the go.  Big grin  Big grin

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
Quoting Scorpio (Reply 5):
Isn't (13 deliveries in 2008) an increase from what was said before?

No it is not. 13 have been planned for 2008, 25 in 2009, and 45 from 2010 onwards.

It still seems a bit of a puzzle how planes that are already assembled, presumably not wired, are going to take until 2009 to complete. Presumably part of the answer is because they are being done one by one by special crews. Which raises the question of where the standard versions are going to be in the queue. Presumably there are another 3 non standard ones to be completed??

Does that schedule also mean that the first "main production run" frames will not be delivered until 2009, or will some be available in late 2008? By then the new system will have been in development or starting production for ?over two years.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:05 pm

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 28):
Indeed. My point regarding post-SNAFU conservatism was that IMO Airbus face some very severe penalties for missing THIS programme, and consequently last year placed the delivery schedule very high up the "likelihood" curve.
They now appear capable of beating this production schedule.
It's perhaps interesting to conject what contractual issues might arise as a result

I'm defintely in agreement with you there, my thoughts are that they wanted to make doubly and tripply sure that the delivery of the A380 was hit this time. Isn't there already some moving up with the EK deliveries next year being hinted at being early?

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 22):
FWIW, three more convoys planned for this year:
15-Oct-2007
5-Nov-2007
10-Dec-2007

Thanks, as ever, for your fantastic insight.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:14 pm

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 9):
I get the impression that, post SNAFU, Airbus are being decidedly conservative with the A380 production ramp-up.
I just wonder if we'll see this ramp-up accellerated somewhat..

As I recall, the first 380s were planned to be wired in a unique way (after the wiring snafu) in order to get them out the door, which I gather would require a unique certificate of air-worthiness, and that the standard wiring protocol (that will happen on the assembly line) would be put into effect later. Does anyone know at which point (by which frame number) the line will be (or became) fully operational with regard to the wiring being executed in a uniform fashion according to the regular design flight certificate? (I hope my question is clear...)

It was my assumption that the slow ramp up of production is due to switching from the makeshift (is that the right word - perhaps "custom" is better) wiring installation to the standard installation.

By the way - has there been any word on whether the weight is within design and/or delivery targets?
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:49 pm

Quoting Glacote (Reply 20):
Point being: the FAA is either right or wrong in its interpretation of the data, but the data were there already.

Unless obviously this is a diplomatic way of providing the FAA a honorable way of backtracking from their "overly conservative" distance separation. As in everybody knows that it does not change anything, but now we can say it's because of Airbus latest tests.

It's not just the FAA that needs to be satisfied. The four participants in the ICAO sponsored A380 Wake Vortex committee were Airbus, EASA, EuroControl and the FAA.

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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:17 pm

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 32):
Does anyone know at which point (by which frame number) the line will be (or became) fully operational with regard to the wiring being executed in a uniform fashion according to the regular design flight certificate? (I hope my question is clear...)

Airbus confident ahead of A380 service entry with Singapore Airlines

Quote:
The first A380 to be equipped with the redesigned electrical system will be MSN026, and Heinen says that the design is now frozen and the installation is due to begin "in the coming weeks". This aircraft should be ready for power-on early in 2008.

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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:30 pm

Quoting LMML 14/32 (Reply 25):
The 380 will set new standards for civil aviaton in general but the average passenger will only have his normal seat.


have you seen the lounge area in the main.. (SQ seating plan) it will probably be accessible to Y passengers.
just look at the plan..
 
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Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:33 pm

not the main but the upper deck. sorry.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:36 pm

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 32):
As I recall, the first 380s were planned to be wired in a unique way (after the wiring snafu) in order to get them out the door, which I gather would require a unique certificate of air-worthiness, and that the standard wiring protocol (that will happen on the assembly line) would be put into effect later. Does anyone know at which point (by which frame number) the line will be (or became) fully operational with regard to the wiring being executed in a uniform fashion according to the regular design flight certificate? (I hope my question is clear...)

from MSN26, it's in the 1srt post article.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:45 pm

I count 24 seats for the cabin crew. Is SIA planning to use a crew of 27 ( including 2 pilots plus one reserve pilot) on their A380's? In that case this bird will carry 471 pax plus 27 crew = 498 souls on board.

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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:20 pm

Airbus forgot to mention WHY they are able to achieve two of the facts stated in the article. I point it out because I think it is something that needs to be noted.

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
* Airbus has generated an unprecedented number of flying hours for an aircraft ahead of service entry. The 10 A380s that have flown to date - including five development aircraft - have accumulated over 4,400h in the air and almost 3,400 take-offs.

I wonder if thats because they are 2 YEARS behind schedule? I'd imagine planes that late that are certified to fly yet not ready to enter airline service would be able to accumulate such a large number of flight hours

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
* On the production side, Airbus has now assembled 23 A380s including the five development aircraft (but excluding the ground test airframes). Three SIA A380s are in Hamburg undergoing cabin furnishing, along with the first Emirates aircraft.

Once again, because they are 2 YEARS late. Who gives a rats ass if you have 23 assembled when you can't even deliver ONE! And once again, I'd imagine you'd be able to build quite a few airframes during a 2 year delay.

Now I'm sure i'll get flamed for this but I'm pretty sure I'm right. It's all about what you say (or don't say in this case). I'll admit that I'm not a fan of the A380, there isn't really anything new or revolutionary about it except it's size. However I am excited to see it enter service and hopefully see it in person one day.
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:51 pm

Finally things are looking up where the A380 is concerned  Smile

Great news for Airbus  Smile




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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:54 pm

One of the reasons the A388 frames have so many hours is due to route-proving and "public relations visits" to various airports. It is not all certification and testing-related, though obviously data is gathered on these flights.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:01 am

has the first A380 already been delivered so SIA?
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:05 am

It's good to see Airbus is confident about the A380, hopefully entry into service will be smooth. I think BA's recent order is great news for the program and a sign that more airlines could come on board once it's in regular service. Given how grim things looked for the A380 not so long ago, it's great to be talking about it's entry into service instead of delays. Things are looking up for Airbus. Exciting times ahead!  biggrin 

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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:05 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 30):
It still seems a bit of a puzzle how planes that are already assembled, presumably not wired, are going to take until 2009 to complete. Presumably part of the answer is because they are being done one by one by special crews

This is probably the reason why it is taking so long to complete these frames. To the best of my knowledge, Airbus has not said how long it takes to complete wiring installation for each aircraft up till MSN 026.

MSN 003 rolled out of the paint shop in mid-May. Since then 4 380 have been ferried to Hamburg for cabin furnishing according to Flight International. So we can deduce that it takes about one month to re-wire each plane (using back of the envelope calculations)
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:17 am

Really interesting post particularly with the deck plans.... then i noticed it was from WINGS..always good content.
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:24 am

Quoting Dubliftment (Reply 42):
has the first A380 already been delivered so SIA?

No. Later this month. WINGS is doing a second by second countdown. Just look for the thread with 100,000 or so posts.  Big grin
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
The article talks about the ICAO wanting additional data, not the FAA...



Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 33):
It's not just the FAA that needs to be satisfied. The four participants in the ICAO sponsored A380 Wake Vortex committee were Airbus, EASA, EuroControl and the FAA.

Current separation rules are not the result of an independent FAA interpretation of data.

Correct, thank you for the correction - ICAO should be substituted to FAA in my comments.

Now I still can't guess what kind of new data could have been released. Or is it only for the GE engines ? I think only RR were tested at Istres...
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:43 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 46):
WINGS is doing a second by second countdown. Just look for the thread with 100,000 or so posts.

Possibly I was not looking well enough due to the "100,000", but I do not see any information of the progress

[Edited 2007-10-02 17:45:46]
 
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RE: Airbus A380 Update

Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:17 am

Quoting Caminito (Reply 48):
Possibly I was not looking well enough due to the "100,000", but I do not see any information of the progress

FIRST DELIVERY: 13 Days to go.
ENTRY INTO SERVICE: 23 Days to go.
(Posted 11 hours ago by WINGS).

Or would you by any chance mean that old and by now slightly worn-out tune, the "certification procedure"... which was beaten to death several times over by a great family (lots of cousins) here on a.net?  Wink