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El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:59 am

An El Al en route to HKG was forced to land in Tashkent due to a technical problem in one of its engines.

I wonder if it was on one of the new 772.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3455195,00.html
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:19 am

And I wonder why there are so many El Al emergencies.


Btw, those incidents do not only occur with ageing 757s and 767s...but also with recent 737s and 777s. I don't know whether there are some statistics being made taking into account the size of a fleet and the occurences of incidents...it would be interesting to see where El Al would stand on such a list.....
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:28 am

First time 777 in Tashkent.
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:26 pm

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 1):
And I wonder why there are so many El Al emergencies.

That's because the Israeli press reports every incident that happen at LY.
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:37 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 2):
First time 777 in Tashkent.

Probably also the first LY aircraft in the country!
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:49 pm

TodaReisinger, visit this website www.crash-aerien.com, and on the incident database, you will realize that LY is not the only airline to have emergency landings.
PS: you must have a username to see this database
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:18 pm

More details:
LY 772 4X-ELB enroute TLV-HKG was diverted to Tashkent due malfunction in one of the engines. After an exam it was decided to send all the necessary parts for fixing it it to Tashkent and they were sent the last night (Huge amount of spare parts, built on 20 cargo pallets, and was loaded on a 742F).
First result of the malfunction are severe delays for the next flights of that machine.
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:39 pm

You mean ECB, I suppose (ELB is a 744, IIRC).
By the way, it is the 2nd emergency landing of ECB in one month, with the same problem...
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:01 pm

Israel is a very big tourist location for Uzbekistan, Their national carrier has scheduled flights to Israel and EL AL Cargo lands in Tashkent dozens of times yearly.
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:31 pm

I hope all passengers received good treatment and accomodation while stranded.
I am sure Tashkent must be a most interesting place to see.
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:31 pm

Quoting Hovitzer (Reply 6):
First result of the malfunction are severe delays for the next flights of that machine.

I was at HKG departing on VS201 wondering what on earth was going on with the 13 hour delay.

It was a 1700 departure with ETD of 0600 +1
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:36 pm

In my opinion, if I am not in a hurry and the plane did not suffer from any really dangerous moments, I wont be too upset having landed in this new place to me. To be honest I would love a short trip to one of these countries which seem quite far-reached to people like me living in UK and Hong Kong. I could never figure out which country is which when I look them up in the map.....
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 4):
Probably also the first LY aircraft in the country!



im almost posotive they fly there
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:01 pm

Quoting A380US (Reply 12):
im almost posotive they fly there

no passenger and no cargo scheduled routes by LY listed in the OAG

HY flies scheduled services to TLV
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:00 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 13):
HY flies scheduled services to TLV

yes, with their 763s IIRC
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:51 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 14):
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 13):
HY flies scheduled services to TLV

yes, with their 763s IIRC

Indeed... when I flew into TLV in August 2006, my plane pulled in right next to an HY 763.
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:15 am

El Al dont operate any kind of service to Tashkent.
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:29 am

I was waiting for my flight to Astana from Tashkent! Was only one engine running when it came in from TLV.

Nice to see a 772 of LY in an other country except for the Netherlands.

[Edited 2007-10-02 18:30:13]
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting Sky (Reply 17):
I was waiting for my flight to Astana from Tashkent! Was only one engine running when it came in from TLV.

fortunately that this didn't happen in the middle of the Atlantic or Pacific!
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:36 am

LY777, I have never said that El Al was the only airline experiencing emergency landings... I have only said that there is a worrisome occurence of technical incidents of all kind, particularly worrisome given the very small size of the fleet.


"By the way, it is the 2nd emergency landing of ECB in one month, with the same problem..."

Well...THIS is typically illustrating what I mean......
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:39 am

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/908859.html

"(...) Last month, an El Al plane had had to extend its layover in Bangkok after a bird flew into its windshield. Before that, an El Al airplane carrying 178 passengers was fitted with the wrong type of landing gear at Bangkok. (...)"


What the hell is this???
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 19):
LY777, I have never said that El Al was the only airline experiencing emergency landings... I have only said that there is a worrisome occurence of technical incidents of all kind, particularly worrisome given the very small size of the fleet.


"By the way, it is the 2nd emergency landing of ECB in one month, with the same problem..."

Well...THIS is typically illustrating what I mean......

According to www.crash-aerien.com, Aer Lingus, who has about the same fleet size as LY, experienced about the same (if no more) numbers of incidents as LY
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:23 am

Just out of curiosity, has El Al's privitization impacted their maintenance processes? Possible factors to consider include whether they have outsourced some of their maintenance, etc.
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:01 am

Does anyone have the correct registration for the aircraft involved? 4X-ELB is indeed a B744. One another note, B777 still has a perfect safety record, no accidents in the 12 years it has been in service.

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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekista

Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:47 pm

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 20):
"(...) Last month, an El Al plane had had to extend its layover in Bangkok after a bird flew into its windshield. Before that, an El Al airplane carrying 178 passengers was fitted with the wrong type of landing gear at Bangkok. (...)"

Both those incidents were not LY's fault.
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:38 pm

"Caused by engine fluids", hydraulic problem?
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:49 pm

Along what path does this plane fly? Do Israeli planes fly over middle eastern countries? Iran is right smack dab in the middle of the great circle route.
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
I am sure Tashkent must be a most interesting place to see.

Not really  Smile
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:29 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 26):
Do Israeli planes fly over middle eastern countries? Iran is right smack dab in the middle of the great circle route.

No, as far as I know they either fly north over Turkey before turning east, or south over the red Sea and then east over the Indian Ocean, depending on the destination. That's why LY TLV-BKK nonstops take about 2 hours longer than if they could use a shorter routing closer to a great circle route.
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:02 pm

Quoting Amirs (Reply 24):
Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 20):
"(...) Last month, an El Al plane had had to extend its layover in Bangkok after a bird flew into its windshield. Before that, an El Al airplane carrying 178 passengers was fitted with the wrong type of landing gear at Bangkok. (...)"

Both those incidents were not LY's fault.

Of course the incident with the bird is not El Al's fault...and that's why my question a few days ago was only about the other incident. What was it? I don't understand...
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:39 pm

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 29):
Of course the incident with the bird is not El Al's fault...and that's why my question a few days ago was only about the other incident. What was it? I don't understand...

The wrong landing gears were put by the non- EL AL maintenance crew at BKK.
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:22 pm

completely off topic, however maybe somebody know. There are 2 weird LY flights out of ZRH today, one at 16:30 (LY1344) with 4X-EKI and another flight at 18:30 with a B762 (LY342) that arrived from STN in addition to it's other 2 daily flights anybody an idea for the reason of those flights?
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 30):
The wrong landing gears were put by the non- EL AL maintenance crew at BKK.

This is just unbelievable!!

There should be, at least, a minimal supervision by El Al employees when some technical work is performed on an airplane. In addition to the safety problems that may follow from such a situation, this incident also specifically illustrates the fact that El Al airplanes are not protected against acts of sabotage while on the ground...(in contradiction with El Al's claims that any technical intervention is supervised by El Al crews).
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 32):
There should be, at least, a minimal supervision by El Al employees when some technical work is performed on an airplane. In addition to the safety problems that may follow from such a situation, this incident also specifically illustrates the fact that El Al airplanes are not protected against acts of sabotage while on the ground...(in contradiction with El Al's claims that any technical intervention is supervised by El Al crews).

you dont know that, I never said there was no LY supervision.
I just said I know the landing gear were installed in BKK by local maintenance.


An article about the recent malfunctions with the trent engines:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/911389.html
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:01 pm

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 31):
completely off topic, however maybe somebody know. There are 2 weird LY flights out of ZRH today, one at 16:30 (LY1344) with 4X-EKI and another flight at 18:30 with a B762 (LY342) that arrived from STN in addition to it's other 2 daily flights anybody an idea for the reason of those flights?

Actually not so off topic. I think it has something to do with the a/c that was stuck and had a problem in Zurich. It was the flight from the day before.
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:28 pm

Quoting Amirs (Reply 32):
It was the flight from the day before.

yeah it was EKI, strange the plane got in friday and was first scheduled to leave Sat night, but I gues problem was just noticed saturday night when flight was supposed to leave for TLV. I gues by now it's fixed.
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:21 pm

I thought EL-AL used a 737 for ZRH flights.. I saw this the other week, not a 767.

http://www.airliners.net/uf/536883765/1192054756v1xgqT.jpg
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:49 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 34):
I thought EL-AL used a 737 for ZRH flights.. I saw this the other week, not a 767.

yes LY only uses 737's on ZRH flights although very rarely we get 752's and even rarely B762/3s. However as a plane went tech I gues the 762 that was on the way from STN was diverted to ZRH to pick up stranded pax.
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:04 am

Do LY use Rolls Royce engines on their 777s?

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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:08 am

Quoting Noelg (Reply 36):
Do LY use Rolls Royce engines on their 777s?

yes, they do. They experienced several technic problems with them lately
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:15 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 37):

yes, they do. They experienced several technic problems with them lately

I gues only on the older planes or were there some issues already on ECE or F?
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:29 am

Only ECA/B/C/D experienced problems (ECB experienced engine failure twice in-flight in a month)
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 37):
Quoting Noelg (Reply 36):
Do LY use Rolls Royce engines on their 777s?

yes, they do. They experienced several technic problems with them lately

Please don't flame, but I've heard this a few times about RR engines on the 777. There have been quite a lot of failures on 777 RR engines over the last few years, whenever you hear of a 777 engine problem it always seems to be fitted with the RR engines, not very often with the PW or GE (although of course it's not unheard of).

Note that this is based on no actual data, it's just that whenever you hear of a problem it's another RR 777!
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:57 pm

btw: Is it possible to change engines on an aircraft already in service. Eg a B772 to go from RR to GE or vice versa, or are there to many specifications that need to be adjusted when doing that?
 
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:15 pm

I don't think it is possible, this may imply further modifications
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:36 pm

I wonder where my latest message on this thread has gone...but it disappeared! My profile indicates that my last message was posted 1 day and 10 hours ago, which is correct since I sent it yesterday (Wed) morning....but when I searched my posts in my profile, the latest one is from Oct 6..... [ps: I have not received any "post deletion" message from a.net, either...] => ???

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In this message, I said that the Bangkok incident was highly frightening from many points of views, and that, specifically, it outlined the fact that El Al airplanes were not protected against acts of sabotage while parked on a tarmac....
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:30 pm

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 43):
btw: Is it possible to change engines on an aircraft already in service. Eg a B772 to go from RR to GE or vice versa, or are there to many specifications that need to be adjusted when doing that?



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 43):
btw: Is it possible to change engines on an aircraft already in service. Eg a B772 to go from RR to GE or vice versa, or are there to many specifications that need to be adjusted when doing that?

It is very uncommon but not unheard of. Two Atlas Air 747-200s were converted from P&W to GE engines, one of these aircraft below. It was written off after a landing overrun at DUS in 2005 (last photo).

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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:22 am

?? Now my "disappeared" message is online again; I really don't understand what happened, since I double checked from 2 different computers before sending my last message Thursday evening. Any explanation...?


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Quoting Amirs (Reply 33):
you dont know that, I never said there was no LY supervision.
I just said I know the landing gear were installed in BKK by local maintenance.

I don't know, for sure. But in this case, even if the work has been done under El Al's supervision, this supervision was in no way helpful since the technical work was badly done... The result is thus the same as if there was no control whatsoever.

And btw, you did not only say that the landing gear were installed by local BKK maintenance, you added that it was not El Al's fault. And that's the point I don't agree with you...

Quoting Amirs (Reply 24):
Both those incidents were not LY's fault.

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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:11 am

And yet again.....engine problems on El Al.....now with 737s:

LY 652 Kiev - Tel Aviv has been cancelled on Oct 8 after the pilots noticed a technical problem on one of the engines while rolling to the runway.....

On Sept 20, LY 563 made an emergency landing in TLV just after it had taken off to Warsaw, because of smoke coming out of one of the engines. (both from crash-aerien.com)


It seems El Al has decided to appear in the news on a weekly basis......
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RE: El Al Plane En Route To HKG Lands In Uzbekistan

Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:06 am

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 43):
I wonder where my latest message on this thread has gone...but it disappeared!

That's very fortunate for the rest of us.

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