centrair
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NWA's Fleet Renewal

Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:37 am

I was looking at the NW Investor Presentation from September 19, 2007.

Investor Presentation from September 19, 2007 (PDF)

Page 12 compares seats, revenue and cost between the following:
A330-3 vs DC10
76-st RJ vs DC9
B787-8 vs 747-4

The graph on page 14 shows the 747-4 (not -400), 787-8 and 787-9.

The center is DTW of course but the edges and cities listed are interesting.

The 787-8 which has amazing range, has PVG, BOM, and DEL on the edge.
The 787-9 which NW has not ordered, has TPE, HKG, and JNB on the edge.
There are other cities which all fall under the 747-4.

Does this means that NW will not be flying DTW-HKG with a 787-8 but be requiring a 787-9?
UA can fly ORD-HKG with a 747-4(00) why can't NW?

I don't know what to make of it, but makes me wonder why they are comparing the EMB175 to the DC-9 and show the 787-9.
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af773atmsp
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RE: NWA's Fleet Renewal

Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:42 am

Quoting Centrair (Thread starter):

Possible order for 787-9s or changing some of their 787-8 options to 787-9s.  scratchchin  What about comparing the Bombardier C Series to the DC-9 (I'm guessing they're not comparing these two aircraft because the C Series hasn't been made yet).
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burnsie28
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RE: NWA's Fleet Renewal

Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:36 pm

Quoting Centrair (Thread starter):
UA can fly ORD-HKG with a 747-4(00) why can't NW?

They do it with restrictions.

Quoting Centrair (Thread starter):
I don't know what to make of it, but makes me wonder why they are comparing the EMB175 to the DC-9 and show the 787-9.

Right now the E175 is the only aircraft that is "somewhat" replacing some DC-9 routes, thats why. 787-9 is an option for NW.
 
ZL
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RE: NWA's Fleet Renewal

Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:45 pm

Quoting Centrair (Thread starter):
UA can fly ORD-HKG with a 747-4(00) why can't NW?

UA's 744 has 347 seats, while NW's has 403.
 
dl767captain
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RE: NWA's Fleet Renewal

Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:57 pm

So they are wanting to replace their 744s with 787s? I know NW only has two classes but it seems like they are already filling a 744 so why would they go down to a 787 on high capacity routes? It seems like they would be looking at the 748 or at least the larger A350s for the 744 routes. And they are comparing a 200 seat 788 to a 403 seat 744, the 788 doesn't look like it goes that much further with only half the seats
 
ikramerica
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RE: NWA's Fleet Renewal

Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:09 pm

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 4):
So they are wanting to replace their 744s with 787s? I know NW only has two classes but it seems like they are already filling a 744 so why would they go down to a 787 on high capacity routes?

Because as Zvezda and I have been trying to explain for quite a while, there is no need to always replace a VLA with a VLA or even an "LA". 2 787-9s can carry more cargo and pax than 1 VLA, and provide flexibility to boot. Only routes with slot limits would make this harder to accomplish. And yes, routes with limited frequency due to bi-laterals, but as the world is opened up to open skies, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to bet on limited frequencies for the next 20 years at this point. Airlines can always invest more in VLAs later if it turns out they need more, but not only does that defer the cost into the future, but allows the airline to buy the "latest greatest" version of the VLA in question.
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Maersk737
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RE: NWA's Fleet Renewal

Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:21 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Because as Zvezda and I have been trying to explain for quite a while, there is no need to always replace a VLA with a VLA or even an "LA". 2 787-9s can carry more cargo and pax than 1 VLA, and provide flexibility to boot.

You really take the credit for a lot of things, don't you?  Wink

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