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NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:45 am

I have heard through the grapevine that NW is planning to announce 3 new Trans-Atlantic routes for Summer 2008 sometime in the next week. Not sure if will be the end of this week or the beginning of next week.

Anyways, there are a number of decent rumors out there but nothing has been unofficially leaked yet......

Those rumors include:
MSP-CDG A330 (a perrential rumor at that)
CMH-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA - local media believes it is very likely)
PIT-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA)
IND-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA)
PHL-AMS 752
BWI-AMS 752
DTW-GLA 752
DTW-MAN 752
DTW-SNN/DUB 752


Stay tuned.
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:52 am

If NW doesn't announce MSP-CDG I'm going to be very angry. NW sure is considering a lot of cities for new AMS service. Why is NW starting a lot of new US-AMS routes?
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:59 am

To me, the new flights from the hubs makes the most sense. They have the opportunity to bring connecting pax from anywhere to the new cities. Just my  twocents  I guess we'll see soon though.
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:02 am

Based on this list you provided, I would have to say the favorites are:

MSP-CDG
BWI-AMS
DTW-MAN

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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:03 am

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 2):
To me, the new flights from the hubs makes the most sense.

Northwest considers AMS to be a hub, so all of the flights listed above would qualify.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
MSP-CDG A330 (a perrential rumor at that)

Indeed! Assuming they have the planes, I think this one is the front-runner as well.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
CMH-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA - local media believes it is very likely)

Is there a plan to provide subsidies, either from the airport or local business community, that the media knows about? I guess I just don't see how CMH fits in the plan otherwise, i.e. doesn't have a particularly devoted NW FF base. Which leads me to...

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
IND-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA)

Along the lines of both the airport reaching out to NW and a solid base of FF's, I can see this happening. On that note, where's the MKE-AMS speculation?  stirthepot 

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
PIT-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA)

I'm sure the PIT cheerleaders will tout the merits/probabilities of this one, so I'll leave it to them.  Wink

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
PHL-AMS 752
BWI-AMS 752

Interesting large east coast markets, particularly BWI where little transatlantic competition exists by comparison.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
DTW-GLA 752
DTW-MAN 752
DTW-SNN/DUB 752

Based on the fact that NW seems to be building DTW as the international gateway, these three almost zoom up to the top of the list. I guess we'll see.

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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:07 am

Any chance for a AMS-BLR flight? It was scheduled earlier two years back and dropped before it could start.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:11 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 5):
where's the MKE-AMS speculation?

I think this would be out of the range of a 757-200. An A332 would be too big for this route.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:18 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
CMH-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA - local media believes it is very likely)
PIT-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA)
IND-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA)

I do think the routes that the airport approached NW on will get the green light. Out of the three of these, I put my money on IND-AMS.
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:18 am

Quoting Iluv747400 (Reply 7):
I think this would be out of the range of a 757-200

I take that back, it's actually shorter than DTW-FRA which NW has operated with a 752. IND-AMS, on the other hand, is slightly longer.

AMS-PHL: 3736mi
AMS-BWI: 3825mi
AMS-PIT: 3903mi
AMS-CMH: 4028mi
AMS-MKE: 4073mi
AMS-IND: 4171mi

By comparison:
EWR-TXL: 3980mi
DTW-FRA: 4161mi
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:20 am

They really need to consider MSP-CDG. Thats just begging for service. If SLC can score CDG service, MSP should be able to as well.
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):

CLE is also getting CDG service from CO. Although MSP wasn't really made to handle many international flights, just two cities to Europe (MSP-LGW and MSP-AMS) isn't that much and another European destination shouldn't be a problem. If NW starts MSP-CDG would NW get that incentive the MSP airport council proposed?
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:33 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 5):
On that note, where's the MKE-AMS speculation?

Ahhh yeah that would really be amazing for MKE if they announced that. While the chances may be slim, I'm still hopin for it. Has MKE ever had nonstop service to Europe before?
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:38 am

Is NW hoping to build up routes out of their AMS focus city, warranting cities such as CMH, PIT, PHL, or IND? I don't know a whole lot about Northwest; are they more focused on expanding to other cities in Europe or are they trying to build AMS further?
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:42 am

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 12):
Has MKE ever had nonstop service to Europe before?

That's a good question, and as a longtime MKE resident (while growing up anyway), I was never aware of it.

However, I distinctly recall the MKE airport website* having Lufthansa listed as one of the airlines that served the airport, but surely not for scheduled service. (I always assumed it was cargo)

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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:44 am

Those all look potentially solvent.

MSP-CDG might benefit from NW's recent deliveries of new A333. There is only a limited number of activities that NW can do with those. MSP-CDG is a good example among very few others.

As for the 757 routes, it depends. How big is NW's 752 ETOPS fleet? Figure destinations = fleet size - 2 or so. So if they have 12 752 and 6 existing routes, they need to introduce 4 new ones. What's the fleet size there looking at 2008?
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
MSP-CDG A330 (a perrential rumor at that)

I'd prefer to see AF doing this, but NW on the route is better than nothing, and it is overdue.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
CMH-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA - local media believes it is very likely)

Not much NW presence at CMH.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
PIT-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA)

Not much NW presence at PIT.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
IND-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA)

Long way for a 752.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
PHL-AMS 752

US already flies this, and NW has minimal presence at PHL.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
BWI-AMS 752

Possible, but faces competition from UA at IAD (plus KL already flies IAD-AMS)

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
DTW-GLA 752

Would be nice.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
DTW-MAN 752

Would be even nicer.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
DTW-SNN/DUB 752

Would be even even nicer.

My hope is for MSP-CDG, DTW-MAN and DTW-DUB.

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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:53 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
IND-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA)

Will IND's new terminal be open and ready by then? The current international arrivals "area" that's separate from the terminal is a joke... I couldn't see the red tail sending a 752 from AMS through there.

Eitner way, I could definitely see NW offering IND-AMS soon. They have the WorldPerks FF base and the O&D traffic at IND, and they have a ton of European feed at AMS thanks to KLM.
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:57 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 14):
However, I distinctly recall the MKE airport website* having Lufthansa listed as one of the airlines that served the airport, but surely not for scheduled service. (I always assumed it was cargo)

You know, I've always wondered about that. I dont know if its still there, but I recall that above the Concourse D security checkpoint at MKE, there's a big sign that says "Concourse D" and it lists all the airlines at the concourse. I remember that Lufthansa is/was listed as one of the airlines.
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:00 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 17):

Will IND's new terminal be open and ready by then? The current international arrivals "area" that's separate from the terminal is a joke... I couldn't see the red tail sending a 752 from AMS through there.

BDL has a separate international arrivals building and NWA has a 752 daily to AMS.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:04 am

other than the hub flights..........the only thing I see as capable of operating successfully would be PHL/BWI-AMS. CMH/IND/PIT.........these are pretty funny!!  Smile
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:09 am

Any possibilities to see DTW-FCO (A330) being resumed?
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:15 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 5):
Assuming they have the planes,

Now,thats the first thing that went though my mind. This is over and above the announced new routes of a few months ago. I dont think they have enough ETOPS equipped planes for all these routes, do they?
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:17 am

All of the flights sound intriguing to me.

Though how feasible do you all think a DTW-Scandinavia route is?
DTW-CPH is about 53 nm shorter than DTW-FRA so it's within range of a 752W and NW could get a fair amount of feed through DTW to make it work. I may be critiqued on this air-headed route of mine, but I firmly believe NW could make it work.

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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:19 am

Interesting, no one has mentioned AMS-PDX. Several unconfirmed rumors/wishes have been floating around for some time.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:24 am

BOS-GLA
DTW-BRU
DTW-FCO
DTW-MAD
DTW-FRA (Second Flight)

Oh wait, those have already been tried...
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:49 am

in SEA i heard that they're seriously considering to do PDX-AMS.

Also from the CMH Dispatch. They seemed to be so sure about the prospect of a non-stop to AMS:

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content..._10-02-07_A10_OD81RSS.html?sid=101

[Edited 2007-10-03 02:56:37]
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:54 am

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 18):
I dont know if its still there, but I recall that above the Concourse D security checkpoint at MKE, there's a big sign that says "Concourse D" and it lists all the airlines at the concourse. I remember that Lufthansa is/was listed as one of the airlines.

LH codeshares on UA flights from MKE (e.g. MKE-ORD-FRA). Airports normally list codeshare carriers on signs etc. so passengers ticketed on those carriers know where to check in.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:08 am

Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 25):
DTW-FRA (Second Flight)Oh wait, those have already been tried...

Good one...

The second DTW-FRA is already on the schedules begining in late March. This time it will be 2x daily A333, no 757.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:08 am

For those who have asked the new IND terminal will not open until November of 2008.
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:10 am

Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 25):
BOS-GLA
DTW-BRU
DTW-FCO
DTW-MAD
DTW-FRA (Second Flight)

DTW-BRU ran for about 2 months last summer, and it is possible it may come back - it was cut partially due to demand, partially due to the lack of narrowbody crew hours
DTW-FCO requires an A330, probably not going to come back since it hasn't already come back
DTW-MAD was cancelled before it even started - not going to try that again
DTW-FRA second flight is coming back in March '08 - next summer it is double-daily A330-300

Quoting Seamefly (Reply 26):
in SEA i heard that they're seriously considering to do PDX-AMS.

PDX-AMS is another rumor out there, but it would have to be an A330 flight. The only way this could work would be to make MEM-AMS a -300, then swap the -200 in for PDX-AMS. PDX-AMS I guess could be a dark horse.

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 20):
other than the hub flights..........the only thing I see as capable of operating successfully would be PHL/BWI-AMS. CMH/IND/PIT.........these are pretty funny!!

Agreed, but again depending on how much money these airports are willing to throw at the flight - it could be viable. Again it was the airports who first approached NWA, not the airline. They are the ones spewing the PR about these flights.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:12 am

I think IND-AMS during the summer could be a good test. If IND can't make it work during those months it will never work.
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:18 am

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 30):
The only way this could work would be to make MEM-AMS a -300, then swap the -200 in for PDX-AMS.

SEA-AMS: 4886mi
PDX-AMS: 5004mi
MEM-AMS: 4544mi

All figures quoted are from Great Circle Mapper. SEA-AMS was operated with an A333 for a short time, before being switched to an A332. So, MEM-AMS is certainly possible with regard to the range of the A333. PDX-AMS would definitely require the range of the A332 though.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 30):
DTW-MAD was cancelled before it even started - not going to try that again

How long ago was this?? What aircraft was going to operate it??
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:24 am

Milwaukee had weekly scheduled charter nonstops to FRA, back 1989 or so. I don't think it was LH but instead was a German charter line like LTU or Condor. I believe it was a 767 or 757 and ran May into September. United handled it in MKE, departing from old D33 or D35, and arrivals at Int'l Arrivals building, of course.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:34 am

This is what we know regarding next year's schedule:

A330-300
1 DTW-AMS
2 DTW-AMS
3 DTW-AMS
4 DTW-AMS
5 DTW-FRA
6 DTW-FRA
7 DTW-LGW/LHR
8 DTW-CDG
9 MSP-AMS
10 MSP-AMS
11 MSP-AMS
12 MSP-LGW/LHR
14 MSP-HNL
15 BOS-AMS
16 HNL-NRT
17 HNL-KIX
18 NRT-SPN/GUM
19 DTW spare / maintenance
20 MSP spare / maintenance
21 ?????

A330-200:
1 SEA-NRT
2 SEA-AMS
3 PDX-NRT
4 SFO-NRT
5 MEM-AMS
6 AMS-BOM
7 NRT-PEK
8 NRT-ICN / NRT-BKK
9 NRT-SIN
10 NRT-SEA additional weekly frequencies / spare NRT
11 SEA spare /maintenance


757 TATL
1 DTW-AMS
2 DTW-DUS
3 BOS-AMS
4 BDL-AMS
5 EWR-AMS
6 EWR-AMS
7
8
9
10 spare

There are supposed to be 10 757's in Trans-Atlantic flying next summer. Right now there are only 6 that are allocated. The A330-200 fleet is fully allocated primarily in the Pacific, same as this past year. There appears to be 1 additional A330-300 available next summer. The only other fleet that is not fully allocated next year is the 747-400 which is also a big question mark in the NWA fleet.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:39 am

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 32):
Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 30):
DTW-MAD was cancelled before it even started - not going to try that again

How long ago was this?? What aircraft was going to operate it??

DTW-MAD was announced as a summer seasonal route to be flown starting in May 2003 with a DC-10-30.
It was pulled from the schedule when the situation in Iraq escalated in the spring and when Trans-Atlantic travel fell off and that particular flight had poor advanced bookings.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:46 am

I will weigh in here.

MSP-CDG. If it is not announced, we might have to admit AF7773atmsp to a hospital. (The blood will be on NW's hands)
DTW-MAN. It could provide good O&D on either end. The connecting at DTW will just help.
DTW-DUB. Seems like a good profitalble route that can be done easily with a 757-200 year round.
BWI-AMS. It would add presence to the Washington Area.
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:48 am

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 35):
and that particular flight had poor advanced bookings.

I wonder if it would be viable with a 752??

I've heard DTW-BRU will be brought back with 752's, just no one is sure if it will be seasonal or year-round.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:58 am

My money goes to MSP-CDG for the last remaining unallocated 333. As for the 75As, I predict DTW-BRU will return and DTW-SNN/DUB and DTW-MAN will be announced. Perhaps they'll even commit to mor ethan 10 and we'll indeed see the secondary US cities-AMS service like some combo of the IND/CMH/PHL/PIT/BWI-AMS service.


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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:05 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 34):

One of the spare A333's will be used on SEA-HNL starting sometime this winter, replacing a 753.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:09 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 36):
DTW-DUB. Seems like a good profitalble route

I can't see how DTW-DUB could be profitable when BA is dropping their DTW-LHR service next March because it's very unprofitable.
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:13 am

Any chance for an RDU-AMS/MAN or is that completely out of the question?
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:14 am

Im not sure about all those secondary cities. BDL-AMS has done OK, but loads have been below the rest of the NW transatlantic average. Aug was 74%, which was a decrease from July, also not sure if thats revenue LF or total LF.

So my guess is they arent going to rush out and do a bunch more of those, though IND PIT and CMH are all larger marketa than BDL....
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:15 am

Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 39):
One of the spare A333's will be used on SEA-HNL starting sometime this winter, replacing a 753.

One of the SEA-HNL flights will be an A330-300 from November-end of March.
NW will also fly EWR-AMS in Feb-end of March in place of KLM with an A330-300 before switching to double-daily 752's

This is possible due to seasonal reductions across the Atlantic and the delivery of the 21st A330-300. One of the DTW-AMS A330 flights is suspended Nov-end of March (which will fly SEA-HNL) and MSP-AMS loses a frequency Jan-end of March (will go to EWR-AMS)

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 40):
I can't see how DTW-DUB could be profitable when BA is dropping their DTW-LHR service next March because it's very unprofitable.

Not so simple. There is a whole variety of reasons as to why BA had not been doing well on DTW-LHR and will be dropping the route. 1) operated currently with an IAH tag-on and resulting poor flight times 2) changes to Open Skies and priority of BA's LHR slots 3) lack of business ties between DTW and the UK (since this flight relies mostly on O&D while NW has the ability to provide a lot of connections 4) lack of brand recognition / corporate contracts in Metro Detroit 5) LHR perceived to be a poor airport for connections
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 41):
Any chance for an RDU-AMS/MAN or is that completely out of the question?

They are both entirely out of the question. Why would Northwest, who doesn't even fly to MAN, want to fly RDU-MAN? It's a good way to save on fuel costs...there would be nobody on the plane.
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:19 am

I would love to see PIT-AMS service, or PIT-anywhere-in-Europe, but even at that, I don't think NW is likely to launch it... Sorry, but optimism kinda turns to pesimism...  pessimist 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:23 am

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
PIT-AMS 752 (airport approached NWA)

Never. The most we get is a DC-9-50 from them, and the majority of flights are CRJ's. And what connection options are there for those travelling throughout the US? Only three on NW-DTW, MSP, and MEM. All of which already have AMS service. Plus, DTW is a 5-hour drive from PIT, and a 35-minute flight. WAAAAAAAY too close to an airport offering much more connections on same-airline metal. ACAA's just fantasizing here. It'll NEVER happen.
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:27 am

Can I hope for DTW-BHX or should I just go back to dreaming?
 
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 44):
Why would Northwest, who doesn't even fly to MAN, want to fly RDU-MAN? It's a good way to save on fuel costs...there would be nobody on the plane.

Okay, not MAN.

But not even RDU-AMS? The CMH, PIT, and IND markets really aren't that much larger than RDU. And they're under serious consideration?
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RE: NW To Announce 3 New Tatl Routes This Wk

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:36 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 45):
I would love to see PIT-AMS service, or PIT-anywhere-in-Europe, but even at that, I don't think NW is likely to launch it... Sorry, but optimism kinda turns to pesimism... pessimist

I'll believe it when I see it. I doubt it will happen. Sorry to burst anyones bubble.
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