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Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:11 pm

This runway in Honduras capitol Tegucigalpa must be the worst place to land, atleast with an airplane the size of this. The pilot has to land directly right after a sharp left turn... and you have to be ice cold to figure out the exact distance to the ground, on the way down:


http://www.nettavisen.no/innenriks/ioslo/article1370256.ece

Cool video
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:15 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Cool video

Indeed! But it has been posted several times already.

Here we go again for the lazy people:

 
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:22 pm

Teguc is known well to passengers and crews alike as being one place where soiled drawers are commonplace.

It's very tight and white knuckles are the norm.
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:24 pm

Some good piloting skills.


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Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:30 pm

I've seen this video probably 50 times and I am still somewhat in awe of it. It makes landings at SXM or Kai Tek seem silly easy.

What I can't figure out is whether all landings are this hairy or did this AA pilot just cut it a little close? It sounds like he spools up the jets just as he is exiting the turn but it was almost too late to make it over the hill the photog is standing on. Obviously you have to come in high and fast for this runway but it looks like this pilot was a little too close.

Regardless, you must have nerves of steel to land here. I'll be happy never to fly there, thank you very much.
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:41 pm

This has nothing to do with me being lazy. It's impossible to follow everything that happens on this site in a day.. And it did'nt show up on the preview before posting, wich is strange since it apparently has been posted so many times.

I do have other things to do than looking at this webpage all day long, which I'm sure goes for everyone.

[Edited 2007-10-04 09:43:59]
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:43 pm

I believe that was the pilots last flight, he retired. There was also a video camera in the cockpit for that landing.
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:51 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 5):
This has nothing to do with me being lazy. It's impossible to follow everything that happens on this site in a day.. And it did'nt show up on the preview before posting, wich is strange since it apparently has been posted so many times.

He wasn't implying your lazy, he posted it up for the people who are lazy, like myself, who won't click that link.
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:59 pm

Kai Tek lives in Honduras!

Does this mean that AA's female pilots have balls?

Reminds me of DCA rwy 19, with mountains, terrain on short final, bigger turn to final ... I guess it is nothing like it DCA 19 after all.
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:20 pm

Is it me or is that runway incredibly short(at least for a 757)? It seems like he was halfway down the runway before the nose gear touched down.
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:27 pm

Isnt there a parking garage on the other end.....I think they need to relocate the airport
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:39 pm

IIRC, AA pilots who fly the TGU route need to be "certified" to fly there, with plenty of training as a co-pilot before flying there on a regular basis. Not just any AA pilot is scheduled to fly to Tegucigalpa. The same goes for Cali, La Paz, and Quito.
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:55 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
IIRC, AA pilots who fly the TGU route need to be "certified" to fly there, with plenty of training as a co-pilot before flying there on a regular basis. Not just any AA pilot is scheduled to fly to Tegucigalpa. The same goes for Cali, La Paz, and Quito.

We had similar restrictions when we used to operate in there at Air Florida. Additionally, it was a Day VMC operation only (the VOR for the VOR approach never seemed to work), and all ops were on runway 19 (the uphill slope and terrain going the other way precluded ops). Our 737-200s (-15 powered) couldn't make it TGU-MIA non-stop (like the mighty 757 can), so we operated MIA-TGU on the way down and TGU-SAP-MIA on the way back.
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:16 pm

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 9):
Is it me or is that runway incredibly short(at least for a 757)? It seems like he was halfway down the runway before the nose gear touched down.

He touched down before the aiming point, but yes, it does look quite short.
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:35 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 13):
He touched down before the aiming point,

I think he touched down before the displaced threshhold too
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:25 pm

Nice video. I see how the plane hits the runway a bit tilted to the left. Does it have some type of automatic aligning when it hits the runway so it can straighten it self?

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Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:30 pm

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 15):
Nice video. I see how the plane hits the runway a bit tilted to the left. Does it have some type of automatic aligning when it hits the runway so it can straighten it self?

Not really, unless you count the pilot's feet pushing the rudder pedals, which after a while happens almost subconsciously, automatic.  Smile

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Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:32 pm

Quoting FlyLKU (Reply 8):


Does this mean that AA's female pilots have balls?

Ovaries perhaps  Wink

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 9):
Is it me or is that runway incredibly short(at least for a 757)? It seems like he was halfway down the runway before the nose gear touched down.

No. Of all commercial jet aircraft, the 757 is likely the one best suited for that runway.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
IIRC, AA pilots who fly the TGU route need to be "certified" to fly there, with plenty of training as a co-pilot before flying there on a regular basis. Not just any AA pilot is scheduled to fly to Tegucigalpa. The same goes for Cali, La Paz, and Quito.

Do they do something similar for SNA?
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:50 pm

Quote:
Our 737-200s (-15 powered) couldn't make it TGU-MIA non-stop (like the mighty 757 can)



Quote:
Of all commercial jet aircraft, the 757 is likely the one best suited for that runway.

It's not as fast as the Concorde, not as as wide as a wide-body, and it doesn't have the range of an ULR pax plane, but for the most thrilling ride of all time, spool up the engines of a 757 with the brakes on and then take off like a dragster!!

YEE-HAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, I had to say that - I love the 757 too much.

Interestingly, my world geography class that I teach JUST did the lesson today on the topography of Latin America, and the difficulties involved with "every day life", to quote the venacular. I pointed out that not only are some of Latin America's cities at VERY high altitudes (Quito, Bogota, Cali, La Paz, Mexico City), but they are surrounded by mountains. This means not only to airplanes (and people!!) have to gasp for air, but when they finally ARE airborne, they have to climb quickly and careful to avoid dangerous mountain peaks. It is NOT for the faint of heart pilots!!
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:54 pm

Quoting ENU (Reply 1):
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Cool video

Indeed! But it has been posted several times already.

Another interesting AA 757 approach and landing at TGU (from the cockpit), also posted before. It was the captain's last trip before retirement.
http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra..._Airlines_Aviation_Video-8203.html
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:34 pm

Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 16):
which after a while happens almost subconsciously, automatic.

....in your car as you drive away from the airport Silly
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:44 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
....in your car as you drive away from the airport

Never gotten it that bad...yet!
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:57 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):

Is that what the pilots talk about after landing?  Wink
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:58 pm

Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 21):
Never gotten it that bad...yet!

After a long cross country in a Cessna I notice my car turns a little better when your left foot applies pressure to the floor Wink
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:11 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
No. Of all commercial jet aircraft, the 757 is likely the one best suited for that runway.

If Boeing or Airbus doesn't develop a true 757 replacement, ancient 757s will still be flying into those high, difficult airports in 2040. Nothing before or since has been as well suited to those missions.

Are there any new engines on the horizon in the 40klb range? It seems likely that development efforts for 737RS or NSR engines will be focused on slightly lower ratings.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:14 pm

What a video! Thanks so much for posting it. Really showcases the abilities of the 757, not to mention the skill of commercial airline pilots (hard to believe sometimes that this is "all in a day's work").
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:49 pm

I

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
Another interesting AA 757 approach and landing at TGU (from the cockpit), also posted before.

I had seen the outside view, but never the cockpit view. I'd expect to be catching a "3" wire at toucdown, and going to full throttle! What a fun approach!
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:07 pm

Anybody have the approach plates?????
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
La Paz

Correct.

My uncle did this training for South America qualifications for ORD and MIA based 752 drivers for 5 years. He ranked LPB as being a more difficult airport to instruct on.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:16 pm

Quoting Richierich (Reply 4):
I'll be happy never to fly there, thank you very much.

Hehehe... to think a TGU landing is high on my "things-to-try-out-before-I-die" list! Big grin One of these days I might end up buying a ticket and flying there just for the sake of it... Which one do you people think would be more fun, an ATR or a jet?  Silly

Here is an interesting article covering this exact topic: http://www.airliners.net/articles/read.main?id=8
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:44 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Do they do something similar for SNA?

My guess would be no. There isn't any terrain to deal with in the area and it's basically just a short runway. I'm not sure if it's the shortest in the country or not. I think midway is right about the same length. The only difference the pilots deal with is the noise abatement on takeoff. Some pilots do rolling takeoff's and some do static, I guess it depends on weight. But they all do the noise abatement procedure which is just rolling the power way back at 1000', nothing too major. I grew up and still live 5 minutes from there.
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 33):
I grew up and still live 5 minutes from there.

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Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:06 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 4):
What I can't figure out is whether all landings are this hairy or did this AA pilot just cut it a little close?

Having been lucky enough to have a window seat as we landed at Teguc, I can tell you that my landing was just as hair-raising. I was sitting on the left side of the aircraft, and we were so low that it seemed like we were going to hit clotheslines that were full of the day's laundry.
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 16):
Do they do something similar for SNA?

SNA isn't that hard to fly into/out of. It's the incredibly touchy people around the airport that HAVE to have their stupid noise abatement procedures complied with! You bolt out of there like a rocket to 1000ft or so then throttles to idle and "tip-top" out until out of the Class C airspace.

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Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 29):
Which one do you people think would be more fun, an ATR or a jet?

A jet, an MD-11 to be precise because MD-11s are known for their very high approach speed. Just imagine an MD-11 landing in TGU.  Wow! It's fun for the whole family.  bigthumbsup 
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:45 am

http://flightlevel350.com/aviation_video.php?id=3371

Must be strong winds in this one. CO737NG with nose down attitude and constant banking.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:55 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 37):
A jet, an MD-11 to be precise because MD-11s are known for their very high approach speed. Just imagine an MD-11 landing in TGU. Wow! It's fun for the whole family. bigthumbsup

Sounds just coooooooooooooool... Alas, the only choice from here is a TA 320 (though any flight is a good flight Big grin )
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:33 pm

A Lear was lost landing there once. A 25 if I am accurate.
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:38 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 28):
My uncle did this training for South America qualifications for ORD and MIA based 752 drivers for 5 years. He ranked LPB as being a more difficult airport to instruct on.

he's obviously never flown into Leh, Ladakh, India. By far the fastest landing I've ever experienced, not a lot of open space there to put down a plane. Add to it thats its not exactly a normal landing surface either. But quite fun none the less.
 
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Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:24 pm

Yes, my father, retired CO captain (may he RIP), always told me about these "special case" airports. He mentioned UIO. Speaking of special case airports in Latin America and Cali, does anyone else remember the AA 757 that crashed in Cali in 1995? The terrain did play a part in that along with pilot error, poor controller communication.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
IIRC, AA pilots who fly the TGU route need to be "certified" to fly there, with plenty of training as a co-pilot before flying there on a regular basis. Not just any AA pilot is scheduled to fly to Tegucigalpa. The same goes for Cali, La Paz, and Quito.

Yes, I landed in Teguc in 1994... I still remember the experience. I remember doing this tight round straddle around a hill, then diving steeply down on a tiny runway, then the pilot stands on the breaks. For an instant you think you are going to crash. I agree, everyone should do it at least once.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 35):
Having been lucky enough to have a window seat as we landed at Teguc, I can tell you that my landing was just as hair-raising. I was sitting on the left side of the aircraft, and we were so low that it seemed like we were going to hit clotheslines that were full of the day's laundry.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 24):
If Boeing or Airbus doesn't develop a true 757 replacement, ancient 757s will still be flying into those high, difficult airports in 2040. Nothing before or since has been as well suited to those missions.

The 757 suits AA well, but there are plenty of 737's, A320's and even ERJ's operating to those airports.

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