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US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:14 am

US Airways has firmed up its Paris Airshow order for:

* 18 A350-800
* 4 A350-900
* 10 A330-200 (the press release specifically says these are newly ordered)
* 10 A319
* 40 A320
* 10 A321

92 aircraft in total.

A330 deliveries from 2009, A350 deliveries from 2014.

http://www.eads.net/1024/en/pressdb/...005_airbus_us_airways_a350xwb.html
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:17 am

and they are able to change within the A32x family... when they need more A320 than A319, they are able to...

this is really a big deal for Airbus today! good job boys...
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:20 am

Is US Airways the first A350XWB customer in the States?
Will the A330's replace the B767's?
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:29 am

US is the world's largest airline measured by number of Airbus aircraft in service and on order.
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:35 am

Quoting Moo (Thread starter):
10 A330-200 (the press release specifically says these are newly ordered)

So these are 10 new + the 10 ordered before.
Also they are getting delivery of A343s for their China service.
Must be second hand then ??

Quoting Moo (Thread starter):

* 18 A350-800
* 4 A350-900

Any idea why it is splitted like that ?? 4 A350-900 for the China route maybe ??

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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:41 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
US is the world's largest airline measured by number of Airbus aircraft in service and on order.

yes I heard that too! how much in total do they have (in service + order)???
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:56 am

Quoting Moo (Thread starter):
10 A330-200 (the press release specifically says these are newly ordered)

That puts to rest a long lasting discussion topic then.

Seems Airbus was NOT 're-announcing' existing orders after all then...

Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
Also they are getting delivery of A343s for their China service?
Must be second hand then ??

Maybe, or just as with the AY A340 order, this US order for A330s is actually convertible to A340 on a 1 to 1 basis.

What goes from A340 to A330 for AY, probably also goes the other way round for US, and it would give them the possibility to adapt this order to their future needs till shortly before delivery of the planes. In my view a good deal for both.
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:01 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 6):
Quoting Moo (Thread starter):
10 A330-200 (the press release specifically says these are newly ordered)

That puts to rest a long lasting discussion topic then.

This order can be changed to A330-300 or A340 if deemed necessary by US in the future. First delivery will be in 2009.
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:41 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
US is the world's largest airline measured by number of Airbus aircraft in service and on order.

Well with this new order yes, but NWA was the largest so far.

According to my database, NWA has 161 Airbus A/C in service (162 from 16th October), and US only 111.
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:50 am

Not forgetting that US had a firm order for the original A350, this is a net order of 72 for Airbus. Still very nice!
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:00 am

Quoting Moo (Thread starter):
US Airways has firmed up its Paris Airshow order for:

* 18 A350-800
* 4 A350-900
* 10 A330-200 (the press release specifically says these are newly ordered)
* 10 A319
* 40 A320
* 10 A321

92 aircraft in total.

Its great to finally get a confirmation and breakdown of the order.

Quoting ENU (Reply 2):
Is US Airways the first A350XWB customer in the States?

YES.

Quoting ENU (Reply 2):
Will the A330's replace the B767's?

YES.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
US is the world's largest airline measured by number of Airbus aircraft in service and on order.

While US Airways may be the largest airbus operator, ILFC is the largest customer.  Wink

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 6):

That puts to rest a long lasting discussion topic then.

Seems Airbus was NOT 're-announcing' existing orders after all then...

Correct. I was specifically told that this was a confirmation of their existing order. Its good to know that I was correct.  Smile

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
Not forgetting that US had a firm order for the original A350, this is a net order of 72 for Airbus. Still very nice!

Correct.

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Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:04 am

This is good for Airbus.. and congratulations are in order...

But it's kinda sad for those of us on the East Coast of the US as US Airways without Boeing just seems a bit off.. much like US works today. a lot off.. Not trying to be nationalistic or anything.. but it just seems that if you are gonna call it US Airways.. it should be at least some sort of American aircraft in the mix.. and it doesn't seem to be the case.. mainline is going all Airbus, Express is Canadian or Brazilian.. Not really anything brought from the ole U- S- of A...

I know a lot of the parts of the Airbus are made in the US.. that is great but doesn't really matter..

US was a LONG time American made aircraft manufactured customer and it kinda made sense that US Air was called US.. but now that it's becoming most foreign.. I don't know.. just seems a bit sad and out of place.. and less US Airways as more EU Airways..

Not that the aircraft they are receiving aren't great.. but.. well.. anyway.. congratulations.. maybe I just being silly...

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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:28 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
I know a lot of the parts of the Airbus are made in the US.. that is great but doesn't really matter..

Interesting point. Does this mean the 787 is counted as a non American product as this seems to be more International than Airbus. Are you saying that it needs to be assembled in USA to count as a US product. When you look at the available global supply chain for manufacturers, it is difficult to say where a product belongs.
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:29 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):

Is sad to see that instead of an AC enthusiastic people we are talking about "Country of Origin" That doesn't really matter, what is important here is that BOTH companies are working hard to develop good product that serve every day to us as a customer. Tha branding is just marketing, because nobody can say that the 787 is entirely a US plane, as nobody can say that the A380 is an EU plane, it's just marketing.

Congratulations to US Airways and Airbus.
Can someone tell us how the Airbus sales sheet looks now with this order?
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:31 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
it should be at least some sort of American aircraft in the mix

I guess at the very least the 757's will be around for a while longer because they are needed for the Hawaii runs as well as for some low denisty Europe flights.

Also, it'll take them a while to get rid of all those 737's, so enjoy them while you can! ;0
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:52 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
US was a LONG time American made aircraft manufactured customer and it kinda made sense that US Air was called US.. but now that it's becoming most foreign.. I don't know.. just seems a bit sad and out of place.. and less US Airways as more EU Airways..

Well, you need to consider that for a long time there was no choice, other than american aircraft. You had Boeing, Douglas and Lockheed to a lesser extent. Up untill 1988 Airbus only had the a300/a310, so not a lot of choice, unlike the entire line of narrow- and widebodies they have now. Embraer was not in the mix yet, and CRJ's didn't exist. And Soviet aircraft, well, I can imagine the uproar of USAir buying Tu-154's and IL62's back in the day... Big grin .

Quoting Col (Reply 12):
Interesting point. Does this mean the 787 is counted as a non American product as this seems to be more International than Airbus. Are you saying that it needs to be assembled in USA to count as a US product. When you look at the available global supply chain for manufacturers, it is difficult to say where a product belongs.

Agreed, the 787 is for a large part Japanese and European as well, even though final assembly is in the US. Welcome to globalization!!!

Quoting Carls (Reply 13):
Is sad to see that instead of an AC enthusiastic people we are talking about "Country of Origin" That doesn't really matter, what is important here is that BOTH companies are working hard to develop good product that serve every day to us as a customer.

Couldn't agree more. A and B both make fantastic products, and I would love to ride the E-jets sometime too. I am also excited to fly my first CRJ in January, even if that sounds a bit crazy to some people  Silly

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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:05 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 15):
Well, you need to consider that for a long time there was no choice, other than american aircraft. You had Boeing, Douglas and Lockheed to a lesser extent. Up untill 1988 Airbus only had the a300/a310, so not a lot of choice, unlike the entire line of narrow- and widebodies they have now. Embraer was not in the mix yet, and CRJ's didn't exist. And Soviet aircraft, well, I can imagine the uproar of USAir buying Tu-154's and IL62's back in the day... .

Don't forget that British Aerospace had the 1-11 and the Trident and Fokker had it's products.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:20 pm

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 16):
Don't forget that British Aerospace had the 1-11 and the Trident and Fokker had it's products.

Of course, but still not full product lines and the 1-11 and trident could not compete with the (newer) DC9 and 727.
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:35 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
This is good for Airbus.. and congratulations are in order...

But it's kinda sad for those of us on the East Coast of the US as US Airways without Boeing just seems a bit off.. much like US works today. a lot off.. Not trying to be nationalistic or anything.. but it just seems that if you are gonna call it US Airways.. it should be at least some sort of American aircraft in the mix.. and it doesn't seem to be the case.. mainline is going all Airbus, Express is Canadian or Brazilian.. Not really anything brought from the ole U- S- of A...

I know a lot of the parts of the Airbus are made in the US.. that is great but doesn't really matter..

US was a LONG time American made aircraft manufactured customer and it kinda made sense that US Air was called US.. but now that it's becoming most foreign.. I don't know.. just seems a bit sad and out of place.. and less US Airways as more EU Airways..

Not that the aircraft they are receiving aren't great.. but.. well.. anyway.. congratulations.. maybe I just being silly...

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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:03 pm

Quoting Moo (Thread starter):
* 10 A321

I thought the A321 order was much larger, 15-25 aircraft...? Or am I thinking of an earlier order?

Congrats to Airbus and US, great to see A350 orders  Smile
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:32 pm

Looks like US also took some options for future expansion of the A350 fleet. The article doesn't say how many though.

From http://www.usairways.com/awa/content...sroom/pressreleases.aspx?c=hp_news

"Purchase rights for additional aircraft are included, allowing for the eventual retirement of all other wide-body jets and leaving the airline with a single intercontinental fleet type of A350 XWBs."
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:07 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
So these are 10 new + the 10 ordered before.

I really, really don;t think so. But I guess we'll see.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
I know a lot of the parts of the Airbus are made in the US.. that is great but doesn't really matter..

Why doesn't it matter?

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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:17 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 21):

I really, really don;t think so. But I guess we'll see.

From the press release:

Quote:

Delivery dates for the newly ordered A330s run from 2009 through 2010.

Doesn't exactly leave much room for it being anything other than a new order.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:21 pm

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 20):
Looks like US also took some options for future expansion of the A350 fleet. The article doesn't say how many though.

Well I suppose it is a considerable number then.

Anybody got an idea of how many WB jets US currently operates?

They have now firmed up 22 A350s, so I assume their purchase right will be for AT LEAST the rest (maybe more, giving them some room for expansion).

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 21):
I really, really don;t think so. But I guess we'll see.

It is explicitly mentioned these 10 A330s are NEW orders in the EADS press release, so I really can't imagine why it shouldn't be the case then. If you are right, then obiously EADS is deliberately giving wrong information, something any stock listed company will carefully try to avoid....

Delivery dates for the newly ordered A330s run from 2009 through 2010.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:30 pm

BTW- the US press release is even more clear than the EADS release (if possible) on the fact that the 10 A330s are NEWLY ordered:

Read along with me:

Airline Announces Execution of Purchase Agreements for Airbus Aircraft Order.

The airline executed a purchase agreement for 22 A350 XWBs in both the -800 and larger -900 series configuration.

The airline also executed a purchase agreement for 10 A330-200 aircraft with deliveries starting in 2009 and flexibility to convert to A330-300 or longer range A340s.

A third purchase agreement was executed for 60 narrow-body aircraft, including 10 A319s, 40 A320s and 10 A321s, with conversion rights.


So 3 new agreements: one for the A350, one for the A319/A320/A321... and indeed one for the A330s.

Interesting to read that the A330 agreement indeed allows US to convert to A340s! Now imagine that!
A potential new order for A340s from an all new operator...and from a US based airline!
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:54 pm

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 24):
A potential new order for A340s from an all new operator...and from a US based airline!

That would be awesome and the A340 (in all versions) would look great in US livery. I would definitely buy a desktop model  Smile

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 24):
The airline also executed a purchase agreement for 10 A330-200 aircraft with deliveries starting in 2009 and flexibility to convert to A330-300 or longer range A340s.

I don´t think that this statement necessarily means a new order.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 23):
Delivery dates for the newly ordered A330s run from 2009 through 2010.

..but here it is black on white  Smile
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:08 pm

Quoting ENU (Reply 2):
Is US Airways the first A350XWB customer in the States?

No, I think that will be one of the leasing companies like Pegasus Aviation Finance Company

Quoting WINGS (Reply 10):
Is US Airways the first A350XWB customer in the States?

How far off is JL now from his 200 XWB order target this year ?
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:11 pm

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 24):
The airline also executed a purchase agreement for 10 A330-200 aircraft with deliveries starting in 2009 and flexibility to convert to A330-300 or longer range A340s.

When are the other 10 a330's to be delivered?
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:12 pm

Quoting Moo (Reply 22):
From the press release:

Quote:

Delivery dates for the newly ordered A330s run from 2009 through 2010.


Doesn't exactly leave much room for it being anything other than a new order.

I still am not straight on this. The above quote dose not answer my question of 10 or 20 A330's. It relates to the "new" order. It dose not mention the old order. So we know when the new A330 order will be delivered, but how about the old order? Maybe it no longer exists! Maybe it is just me, but i'm still confused about this topic.

As for the 767's, I thought they were being refurbished (inside) and were expected to remain for several more years.

I am sorry, but I just don't have a full grasp of these issues, and others, but I save the rest for another day!
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:16 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 26):
How far off is JL now from his 200 XWB order target this year ?

By my rough calculations, there are 186 firm XWB orders currently placed, including conversions.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:17 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
US was a LONG time American made aircraft manufactured customer

But you have to remember, in the old days, there were a lot of US manufacturers. Boeing, Douglas, Convair, Martin, Lockheed, to name a few.

Now there is basically only one.
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:28 pm

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 28):
I still am not straight on this. The above quote dose not answer my question of 10 or 20 A330's. It relates to the "new" order. It dose not mention the old order. So we know when the new A330 order will be delivered, but how about the old order? Maybe it no longer exists! Maybe it is just me, but i'm still confused about this topic.

I fail to comprehend why it is confusing as the press release makes it clear this is a new order, and I fear that no matter what is said here today in any way to try and clarify for you, your confusion will remain.

Therefor I shall suggest you keep an eye on the Airbus O&D spreadsheet for October (released somewhere around the 7th or 8th November).
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:20 pm

Quoting Moo (Reply 31):
I fail to comprehend why it is confusing as the press release makes it clear this is a new order, and I fear that no matter what is said here today in any way to try and clarify for you, your confusion will remain.

At the risk of appearing like a complete idiot, I will ask one more question. I understand that this is a new order. where did the "old" order go? Is it still a current order or is it gone? Thanks duh...John.
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:24 pm

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 32):
At the risk of appearing like a complete idiot, I will ask one more question. I understand that this is a new order. where did the "old" order go? Is it still a current order or is it gone? Thanks duh...John.

The old order didn't 'go' anywhere, its outstanding on Airbuses order sheet and remains to be delivered.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:30 pm

Quoting Moo (Reply 33):
The old order didn't 'go' anywhere, its outstanding on Airbuses order sheet and remains to be delivered.

So they have 20 A330's on order. I think I get it now. What are the delivery dates on the "old" order? Thanks for your patience and help Moo. John.
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:32 pm

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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:40 pm

Quoting Moo (Thread starter):
* 10 A330-200 (the press release specifically says these are newly ordered)

Yes, I can't understand why anybody thought US needed to refresh the old order.

Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
Also they are getting delivery of A343s for their China service.
Must be second hand then ??

Yes. My money is on AC.

Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
Any idea why it is splitted like that ?? 4 A350-900 for the China route maybe ??

Can't all A350 do the China routes?

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
US is the world's largest airline measured by number of Airbus aircraft in service and on order.

But they only have few widebodies.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 6):
That puts to rest a long lasting discussion topic then.

Apparently not. But even with 20 A332s on the O&D sheet, there will probably be people claiming that Airbus got it wrong, just like with NW.  Yeah sure

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 21):
I really, really don;t think so. But I guess we'll see.

Maybe those A32x are just confirming existing orders.  Yeah sure
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:09 pm

Quoting Moo (Reply 31):
I fail to comprehend why it is confusing as the press release makes it clear this is a new order, and I fear that no matter what is said here today in any way to try and clarify for you, your confusion will remain.

Therefor I shall suggest you keep an eye on the Airbus O&D spreadsheet for October (released somewhere around the 7th or 8th November).

I do not believe that it is at all clear that the "new order" for A330-200's is not simply a replacement for the old order. The NWA A330 orders were handled similarly -- new orders were added to the books while old orders quietly disappeared over time. I think the final word will be at the end of 2010 -- there will either be ten new Airbus widebodies in the US Airways fleet or twenty. It is too coincidental that the dates for the "new order" precisely match the dates for the old order.

The only thing we know is that new orders have been added. We do not know if the old orders continue to stand. It should be telling that while US Airways mentions its existing narrowbody Airbus orders in its press release:

Quote:
A third purchase agreement was executed for 60 narrow-body aircraft, including 10 A319s, 40 A320s and 10 A321s, with conversion rights. Narrow-body deliveries, including 37 aircraft from a previous purchase agreement, run from 2008 through 2012. Classic Boeing 737-300/400s will be eliminated from the fleet as the A320s are delivered. The narrow-body fleet count is expected to remain stable.

No mention of the pre-existing A330-200 order is made in the same press release.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:10 pm

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 20):
The article doesn't say how many though.

No, but it does say "allowing for the eventual retirement of all other wide-body jets and leaving the airline with a single intercontinental fleet type of A350 XWBs". This suggests a possible 29 options to replace their A330s (assuming A330s will replace their 767s).
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:17 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 5):
yes I heard that too! how much in total do they have (in service)???

In service:

A319: 86
A320: 55
A321: 28
A330: 9
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:01 pm

Seems everyone is missing the fact that America West and US Airways are under one operating certificate. Under the combined carrier:

A319: 93
A320: 74
A321: 28
A330: 9

Total: 204

This is from airfleets.com, so I'm not sure where 111 aircraft is from?

Quoting Knoxibus (Reply 8):
According to my database, NWA has 161 Airbus A/C in service (162 from 16th October), and US only 111.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:46 pm

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 23):
It is explicitly mentioned these 10 A330s are NEW orders in the EADS press release, so I really can't imagine why it shouldn't be the case then. If you are right, then obiously EADS is deliberately giving wrong information, something any stock listed company will carefully try to avoid....

Just because it is explicitly said, does not mean it is true. At least, they may not share your view of history.

Although US did order these A330s about 5 to 6 years ago, those orders were pretty much neutralized. Airbus themselves rewrote / tore up every US contract during bankruptcy in the hopes / understanding that helping US would help Airbus. This panned out.

US will not get 20 more A330. Will not. Never said they would, ever. That's pure a.net fiction. And stringing press releases 5 years apart into some argument, does not prove anything, especially with US Airways.

10 new A330. Not 20.
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:48 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 37):
No mention of the pre-existing A330-200 order is made in the same press release.

Nor has mention of that "order" been made for years and years. This was put to bed a while back. The run-down of standing US Airbus orders has been given earlier this year. 10 A330-A340. I don't need to cite a source; I am citing EVERY source.
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:54 pm

3 questions here

1) Will the newly ordered A319's replace some of the 737 classics or are the A32x's doing that or has that been decided yet

2) Do you think that they will someday order the 787 to run alongside the 350's like some of the other carriers are doing or will they just use the 350

3) Would the A340's they order for the China route be new or will they come from somebody else?
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:56 pm

3 questions here

1) Will the newly ordered A319's replace some of the 737 classics or are the A32x's doing that or has that been decided yet

2) Do you think that they will someday order the 787 to run alongside the 350's like some of the other carriers are doing or will they just use the 350

3) Would the A340's they order for the China route be new or will they come from somebody else?
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:58 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 41):

Ah yeah, and care to tell us where you get your oh so wide armchair-CEO knowledge from?

Seriously, you know just as less as we do, and all we have is Airbus's press release which indicates that they now have 20 A330s on order, i know you don't like it, but stop twisting words.

As far as I know, the old A330 order was not cancelled, so i really don't know where you're coming from.

[Edited 2007-10-05 15:04:52]
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 45):
Seriously, you know just as less as we do, and all we have is Airbus's press release which indicates that they now have 20 A330s on order, i know you don't like it, but stop twisting words.

The Airbus press release says absolutely nothing about 20 A330s; it only mentions "10 A330-200s," calling them "newly ordered A330s." What is interesting is that absolutely no mention is made of the prior order for A330-200s or the prior order for A350XWBs, while the very same press release mentions "US Airway's [sic] existing backlog of 37 orders for Airbus single-aisle aircraft."
 
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:36 pm

Since orders take some time to produce, and because they are on one certificate now, what engines are they going to use? Since the old US provided most A319s and all A321s, I imagine that those would best be CFM. But since HP provided most A320s, I'd imagine that those would best be Rolls-Royce. But what are they actually going to be? Or have they not settled that yet?
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:38 pm

Quoting Moo (Reply 31):
I fail to comprehend why it is confusing as the press release makes it clear this is a new order, and I fear that no matter what is said here today in any way to try and clarify for you, your confusion will remain.

So after reading the many posts since the above "shot" at me, I am not the only one who still has questions about this issue! Moo, you can apologize when ever your ready. John.
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RE: US Firms Up Airbus Order

Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 47):
But since HP provided most A320s, I'd imagine that those would best be Rolls-Royce.

Flattering that you mention only RR but let's be accurate: IAE, in which RR has a 32.5% stake.

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 48):
I am not the only one who still has questions about this issue!

Indeed. No-one is likely to call me "anti-Airbus" or "anti-A330" but I too have serious doubts about the idea that this is an order for ten new A330s in addition to the previous order for ten. My guess is that it is a new order for the old ten (if that makes sense!). I kind of hope I'm wrong but I doubt very much that Airbus now have orders from US for 20 new A330s.

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