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New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:31 pm

Many consider 13 to be an unlucky number, but I think 13 is lucky considering the NZ threads have now reached 13!!!

In Thread 12 New Zealand Aviation Thread #12 (by 777ER Sep 25 2007 in Civil Aviation) we discussed:

NZs pink flight from SFO-SYD is now on sale with VERY nice fares.
Pacific Blue will be getting three B738s before the end of the year, with their domestic flights starting in now just over 1 month!
HLZ announced an airline fee increase to bring HLZ upto national airport fee standards.
NZ has been choosen by Boeing and RR to test biofuels on a non rev B744 powered by RR engines. NZ is the only airline to be choosen by Boeing and RR.
An NZ operated flight by a J32 made an emergency landing at Timaru last week.
AKLs second runway is now underway, espected to be finished in a few years
CHCs new terminal plans have been released, and CHC are wanting to beat SIN standards. Best of luck to CHC with their goals to beat SIN!
DJ have had ads in Wellingtons Dominion Post wanting LAME engineers for DJs plans to set up MX bases in WLG, AKL and CHC.
99% of NZs share holders approved NZs long haul aircraft plans.
And just announced today: NZ will do away with check-in counters at all airports and will use check-in kiosks and online check-in for all domestic flights but will still have staff at the airports to help passengers who need to check-in luggage, just like what UA do at IAD, which in my opinion is way faster then waiting in line to check-in. NZ are also considering a 'Happy Hour', upgrading their coffee to cafe style coffee on flights and domestic style theme flights, like the recent three Tasman style flights.

Let thread #13 start
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:40 pm

The All Blacks will be arriving back on Wednesday on NZ90 from NRT. Presumably they'll fly JL CDG-NRT, or possibly AF.

Since NZ90 routes NRT-CHC-AKL, I guess Richie McCaw and other CHC based players will deboard there.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:51 pm

so how are they getting from Cardiff where they were playing then. coach to Paris?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:01 am

I'd forgotten they weren't playing in France! (Trying to block it all out, I guess..)

Perhaps a LHR-NRT flight?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:59 am

Grab a Seat was today in ROT with $11 fares
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:16 am

Grab a Seat also quickly just sold out on AKL-Tonga for $99, but I found some $89 fares when searching
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:41 am

Quoting TG992 (Reply 3):
I'd forgotten they weren't playing in France! (Trying to block it all out, I guess..)

Perhaps a LHR-NRT flight?

Would probably be one of the following
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LHR (t3) 1935 – NRT (t1) 1510
B747-400

JAL
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B777-300

JAL would be more convenient as they wouldn’t have to change terminals in Tokyo.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:20 am

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Does Air NZ find seats for the whole party - players and other hangers on- at a days notice?

Well.. after that performance, you don't suppose they deserve business/Y+ seats do you?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:25 am

The previous guy would have clearly known that NZ1/2 weren't commercially based (end of the route etc...). Of course he would have also known that the people inside the business sort of rationalised it..."we couldn't compete with SQ because we didn't have a competitve product etc...". Up to the point that everyone assumes it makes sense. Because he's a sharp mind why point out what he thinks to other directors....when he thinks they should be pointing it out to him?. When they didn't point out a clear commercial folly he would have pointed it out to the top govt people on the way out the door. Other directors probably didn't know that he thought it was mad. It's why the govt's furious with the board. Doing HGK-LHR was useful from the point of using the natural momentum of the business to get rtw.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:33 am

RichardJF, it's high time someone told you a few home truths about Air NZ's "inability to compete" with Singapore Airlines or Emirates between the UK and New Zealand.

Firstly, Air New Zealand's two routes (via LAX and HKG) are both SHORTER than SQ and EK's routes.

Secondly, Air New Zealand currently has a superior product in both Business Class (lie-flat bed all the way) and Economy Class (34 inch pitch), not to mention having a Premium Economy product which SQ and EK cannot compete with.

Thirdly, my family alone has six (6) Air NZ Gold Elites and Golds because when we want to travel to London we want the choice of stopping over in a shopping city (HKG), an unspoiled tropical island (PPT/RAR/APW/NAN) or an amusement capital (LAX). We don't want to swelter in an excessively humid city like Singapore (1 visit every 25 years is enough for me) and if we wanted a tacky unbearably hot desert stopover we'd go to Las Vegas, not a Middle-East metropolis like Dubai. Consequently, Air NZ's network of available city and island stopovers blows consideration of Singapore Airlines or Emirates right out of the water.

Fourthly, Air NZ's cost-base is highly competitive, and far lower than the likes of Qantas.

Fifthly there is the most important consideration, which you seem unwilling (I don't want to say unable) to grasp. New Zealand is one of the absolute poorest OECD countries. Outward passengers from NZ cannot balance the books long-haul: the very sensible business model is to fly to much richer markets like the USA, UK and Canada where there is a market of much more profitable passengers to carry.

If, as you suggest, double-daily LHR services were dropped and replaced with occasional services via Cancun to Stansted we would find that Air NZ would totally surrender those high-yield UK and US based passengers to Virgin Atlantic and BA. And the residual low-yield passengers are a waste of space and money.

Air NZ long ago made a strategic (and sound) decision that the lowest fare, lowest profit Economy passengers could be gifted to the likes of Royal Brunei, Emirates and Singapore Airlines while it would concentrate on more profitable passengers in every class. That is not being "unable to compete" with SQ and EK, it is being "unwilling to fight for the least profitable passengers".

Air NZ's UK and North American policies are sound, and to be commended.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:55 am

Koruman I 99% agree with what you've said except for one thing... SQ's yields are substantially higher than NZ's....
What?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting TG992 (Reply 3):
I'd forgotten they weren't playing in France! (Trying to block it all out, I guess..)

I think we all are. Gutted by that early exit from the RWC. Interesting about the seats though with there only being 26 premium probably many of them sold. I guess its Economy for the AB's.

Quoting SpinalTap (Reply 6):
JAL would be more convenient as they wouldn’t have to change terminals in Tokyo.

Yea but ANA is star so I think they may go that way. But who knows...

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 7):
Well.. after that performance, you don't suppose they deserve business/Y+ seats do you?

Well for a team that had an all expense paid trip to Corsica, with water sports and golf to boot; as well as days off in france to 'regroup' after a not so good game against Scotland, they might as well seal the deal with business travel back  Wink

In all seriousness, I'm sure we're all still supporting them even though they could have done alot better on Sunday morning
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:24 am

Aerohottie, I didn't claim that Air NZ has higher yields than SQ, I just put forward an argument as to why it can compete quite favourably on UK-NZ routes.

If NZ wants to grow its yields it only has the following options available to it:

1. Increase premium seating (BP and PPE) on 777 routes to North America.
2. Operate direct flights from Australia to the UK and USA.
3. Drop low-yield services to destinations which can't deliver high-yield traffic on routes to New Zealand (China/Japan).
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:49 am

A while back NZ was able to raise their premium pricing to the same general level as SQ's (I think about 12% increase). No doubt network-wide SQ's yield is higher, but I'm guessing head-to-head on similar routes NZ is now holding their own.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:37 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Grab a Seat also quickly just sold out

I have noticed that during the weekend, those "Try back later this afternoon" fares are uploaded in the morning. If one do a flexible date search, one will find them. For example, at 10:15am Sunday, there was one $6 CHC-WLG flight left on 13 Dec despite it says "Try back later in the afternoon". Apparently some keen people have already taken the other seats!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:48 am

Quoting Cchan (Reply 14):

Interesting, thanks for that. I got one of those WLG-CHC-WLG flight for $12 return
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:53 am

And just add to that, although it says "Sold out". If one search the dates, sometimes there maybe pleasant surprises. I have done that a couple of times.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:06 pm

I wonder what the doubling of the available cargo capacity when the 77w's are introduced on the AKL-LAX/HKG-LHR will do to cargo yields ?
Reply 47 of the following link is worth reading. To go from 12t on the 747's to 25t on the 77W's is quite a jump. What sort of belly cargo is carried on these services? Is it predominantly fresh N.Z. fruits and meats? We buy fresh N.Z. lamb in the stores and imagine that it was air freighted as pre-packed cuts out of AKL three or four days prior! My wife say's in jest, perhaps it is from one of the 6000 odd lambs on her brothers King Country farm ! Or we go to a local restaurant that has fresh barramundi on the menu that arrived the same morning in YYZ from SYD. !
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:14 pm

From the Herald today

Qantas will target business travellers in the New Zealand domestic market as competition in the aviation market heats up.

The Australian airline will today launch new fares and timetables as it brings Cityflyer, a service it already runs on routes between the six major Australian cities, to New Zealand.

The Cityflyer service promises greater frequency of flights, flexible fares, valet parking and complementary snacks and beverages.

Qantas is also announcing additions to its fleet, self-service check-in facilities and an upgrade to its domestic club.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 18):

That comes as a surprise especially since QF said a few weeks back that they have no plans on upgrading or adding to the NZ domestic except for upgrading the current aircraft interiors thanks to the A380 delay. Well the new aircraft additions won't be B733s, cause there are none left with VH regos in the QF fleet, but QF have got 18 B734s left with VH regos in a mixture of configs. I highly doubt any B738s will join the fleet here. Wonder if the Cityflyer markings will be applied
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:44 pm

Grab a Seat is today in Gisborne with $6 to AKL, WLG and CHC
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:57 pm

Well I would like to see some DASH8's sent over to open up more services.... one can but dream
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:17 pm

Groups in dispute over Whenuapai flight paths (NZ herald)

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A group opposed to commercial flights at Whenuapai airbase says most of the North Shore could suffer noise and pollution from aircraft flying overhead.

Article is a bit confusing, I eventually figured out that by "southern runway" they mean runway that would be approached in their graphic from the south (runway 26) in comparison to the main runway (03/21).

Close up of the diagram from WAAG:
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:12 am

An article on stuff about QF

Qantas is to return to free alcohol and food on domestic flights, adding to a major competitive shake-up over the next year

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4230632a34.html
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:21 am

From the TVNZ web-site also about QF

Qantas is to return to providing complimentary alcohol and food on domestic flights in a re-branding of their New Zealand domestic service, bringing more competition to the airline industry. and some good news Qantas spokesman Grant Lilly says they will also be introducing online check-ins to speed up processing at the airport.

The airline is also reintroducing fights between Wellington and Christchurch - a route which it scrapped in March.


http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411749/1393825
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:25 am

Adding to the QF domestic - http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2007/oct07/3665

Complimentary morning newspapers, free bar service from 4pm on weekdays, an enhanced food offering, with the addition of substantial café-style meal items, the introduction of fresh fruit and new food and beverage equipment.

Self checkin booths will be introduced to AKL, WLG and CHC by Feb 2008.

Sounds good, now we wait and see how they compare to each other's products. I quite like the 1000 free QF frequent flyer points and wish NZ brought it back...

But surprisingly no news on any business class or more legroom like on NZ.
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Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:04 am

When is this free food enhancement thing taking place or starting with QF? Is it in effect soon?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:03 am

QFs Cityflyer starts next month, and DJ are now offering $30 fares for 24 hours on the WLG-CHC route to welcome back QF
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:42 am

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Qantas is to return to free alcohol and food on domestic flights, adding to a major competitive shake-up over the next year

So the airfares can't be lowered further?!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:57 am

Quoting Cchan (Reply 28):
So the airfares can't be lowered further?!

Well with free food and free alcohol depending on the time of day there is only so far the fares can go without making losses ..
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Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:13 am

Quoting Cchan (Reply 28):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 23):
Qantas is to return to free alcohol and food on domestic flights, adding to a major competitive shake-up over the next year

So the airfares can't be lowered further?!

QF lowered their airfares a few days after DJ announced NZ domestic.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:17 am

Just looked on NZs Grab a Seat page (11.15pm) and NZ have added $49 flights between WLG and AKL. Those flights weren't there when I looked on the page late this afternoon!
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:41 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 32):

Yea thats interesting. Didn't even have the 'try back later' thing, just appeared out of no where
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:16 pm

NZ will move with UA from T3 at LHR and Join fellow star alliance member BD in T1 as of May 2008,
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Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:18 pm

When did Air New Zealand start removing their "eyebrow" windows?:

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:30 pm

Quoting Spinaltap (Reply 35):
When did Air New Zealand start removing their "eyebrow" windows?:

Around the time of New Zealand Aviation Thread #4, which is late May 2007 vintage.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3376804 (reply 139)
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:48 pm

So has there been any confirmed news of a new livery for Air NZ?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:16 pm

I know I might be a little bit unusual, but here is my rant on the subject of the QF announcement. I would be interested in how others see it.

Speaking as someone who flies WLG-CHC-WLG at least 40 times a year, saying that they are targeting business flyers and that they will fly WLG-CHC-WLG twice a day is an oxymoron. Three things matter to me on main trunk domestic - frequency, frequency and frequency. NZ have 16.15, 17.30 and 18.30 departures from CHC to WLG. That is all that matters to me. I actually get on the flight I originally booked on less than half the time.

As for food and drink on a 30 minute flight - all that does is disrupt my afternoon nap, even if it is only the person next to me who is slurping away. the free newspaper and food I get in the Koru Club. I have been a much happier domestic passenger since they got rid of the food service.

I'll also be interested to see how much an extra QF aircraft actually does improve their absolutely appalling on time performance AKL-WLG.

And all of this is from someone who was (albeit rather reluctantly) QF gold until they dumped the Origin Pacific relationship.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:31 pm

Todays Grab A Seat deals are from Timaru to WLG, TRG and NPL with $10

Quoting Rongotai (Reply 38):
Speaking as someone who flies WLG-CHC-WLG at least 40 times a year, saying that they are targeting business flyers and that they will fly WLG-CHC-WLG twice a day is an oxymoron.

2x daily is totally useless. You would have thought that QF would have learnt their lesson from last time, but obviously they havn't. I honestly think that QF could be the loser on the WLG-CHC route, but on the WLG-AKL service, its very hard to tell. I think with the free food and basically business class service for every passenger like newspaper then more passengers will use QF, especially since QF fares are usually more cheaper.
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Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:51 am

Quoting Rongotai (Reply 38):
I know I might be a little bit unusual, but here is my rant on the subject of the QF announcement. I would be interested in how others see it.

I for one am getting a little peeved at how we are treated so badly under cosy duopolies but as soon as the third competitor arrives the existing players suddenly decide we matter and they start spending money. For years we have had a third rate operation from QF and now they start throwing money around and expect us to come running. I know this is the same as when the first Ansett arrived and NZ responded by giving us bridges. Telecom and Vodafone will do the same if (when?) we get a third mobile network. I'd love to see a company the actually focuses on the consumer regardless of what the market is - they give us their best even when there are not the competitive forces compelling them to do so.

I did like what I heard a DJ spokesperson say about the QF changes: "It's a little like sticking lipstick on a pig". Priceless!
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 40):

I slightly disagree. I was checking last week, and NZ and QF on average have cheaper fares the DJ. So even without offering meals etc etc... They would still be prefered. Note I am talking about random days with the top and middle fare structure as the bottom fares are quite equal among the airlines.

My point is, yea DJ would have given them a shake up, but its not the main cause IMO of these services as the prices in general are still cheaper with the two 'big guys'. If they are not being undercut in price, then why would they? Surely its more to compete with NZ for business travellers than DJ comming into the market
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:32 am

Qantas gave Canberra CityFlyer service just before I left Canberra. A cold snack, plus beer or wine after 5pm, on a service that is 42 miles shorter than CHC-WLG. The crew hardly had enough time to serve every passenger on a jet, where the flight time was less than 30 minutes. If you wanted inflight service, the QantasLink Dash8s were in the air for ten minutes longer, so there was time for a hot drink, and a bigger sandwich, or cold meatballs with cold pasta salad.

The Qantas CHC-WLG service seems designed to lose for money for every airline on the route. The ATRs may be the best planes for the distance, but will ATRs look second best to some passengers? Or will AirNZ use jets at peak times.

Whinge - Dunedin misses out again. We know DUD is a smaller market. We don't want new services that cause us to lose some things that we already have - the twice daily flights to AKL. We hope when Brett Godfrey announces plans for the third Pacific Blue 738 that DUD will get the nod.
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 40):
Telecom and Vodafone will do the same if (when?) we get a third mobile network.

Hopefully Telecom will be forced to split into three which will allow other competitiors to use its network, but the new CEO is confident that he can refuse to do it

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 42):
Qantas gave Canberra CityFlyer service just before I left Canberra. A cold snack, plus beer or wine after 5pm, on a service that is 42 miles shorter than CHC-WLG. The crew hardly had enough time to serve every passenger on a jet, where the flight time was less than 30 minutes.

Cityflyer services in aussie use to use A330s but now are on B763s.

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 42):
We hope when Brett Godfrey announces plans for the third Pacific Blue 738 that DUD will get the nod.

DJ indicated in the newspaper about the third B738 that it won't be used on domestic but on the Tasman
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:31 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 43):
DJ indicated in the newspaper about the third B738 that it won't be used on domestic but on the Tasman

I think I read recently, within the last week, that it was going to be on domestic with new cities/towns being announced before year end.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 43):
Cityflyer services in aussie use to use A330s but now are on B763s

City Flyer services have ALWAYS been between city pairs...not on certain aircrafts. It was an advertisement by Qantas on A332 at the time as these aircrafts were DEDICATED cityflyer aircrafts...much like PER will see soon.

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Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:37 am

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Cityflyer services in aussie use to use A330s but now are on B763s.

Canberra only had CityFlyer service on 737s.
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 40):
did like what I heard a DJ spokesperson say about the QF changes: "It's a little like sticking lipstick on a pig".

That is simply HILARIOUS! I would love to know who at DJ said that?
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 42):
The ATRs may be the best planes for the distance, but will ATRs look second best to some passengers? Or will AirNZ use jets at peak times.

I agree with you there. One would thinks that many pax look at an ATR and see it as an 'old propeller' plane. It's just the stereotype as opposed to looking at a 733 and seeing a 'new jet aircraft'. We know that this isnt the case however, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure a few of the ATRs are newer than the 733s

ATRs are a highly reliable aircraft and alot more economical in terms of fuel burn. And as we know, in this country, the aircraft's difference in speed does not matter too much due to the short distances of the leg, hence time difference is not huge.

At the end of the day, the basic difference between the ATR and the 733 are a few components within the engine. One has a PCU while the other doesnt. Both are highly reliable Gas Turbine engines and none of them are real 'jets'. If only it was a more widely known fact, people would not be any more 'edgy' about turboprops than they are the fans.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 42):
but will ATRs look second best to some passengers

I actually prefer the ATR to the 733!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #13

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:40 am

Quoting Dj738 (Reply 47):
I would love to know who at DJ said that?

I think it was this guy - Pacific Blue's commercial general manager, Adrian Hamilton Manns and it was on Morning Report this morning.