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Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:20 am

Few questions:
What is the status of MD80 operations today, especially AA and Delta.
Also, why didnt AA buy the MD90 and keep the 717 since they already had the MD80. At least the 717s could have replaced the F100s.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:45 am

AA did have MD-90s with the purchase of Reno Air. They opted not to keep them along as with the 717s they acquired from TW.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:22 am

DL has a crap load of these A/C.

IMHO, the 90's are pieces of crap and should be done away with.

The 80's on the other hand seem to be pretty good for DL's short term plans as a stop gap for domestic operation as they pull more 752's for international operations.

As of today, DL has the following:

MD90's: 16 A/C Reg #'s: N901DA-N909DA, N910DN, N911DA, N912DN-N916DN.

MD88's: 120 A/C (lots of different Reg. #'s)

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Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:25 am

Is it true that after American had Reno Air for lunch, they offered their 5 MD-90's to Delta and Delta tried to get AA to take their 16 models?

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Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting DLOnur (Reply 2):
IMHO, the 90's are pieces of crap and should be done away with.

Unfortunately for you, Delta is interested in acquring China Southern's MD-90s. Because the resale value of the MD-90 is very low, this will be much cheaper than buying new 737-800s. These MD-90s could be used to expand at SLC and free 737-800s to Delta's other three hubs. Last time I heard, the chances of Delta acquring these MD-90s is about 80%. Hopefully Delta adds IFE to them as the China Southern MD-90s do not currently feature IFE.
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:39 am

DL also last month returned two MD88 to their lessors. We now have 118 in the fleet. I don't think there are any plans to return any more in the near future.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting KochamLOT (Thread starter):
why didnt AA buy the MD90

AA's relationship with MDC soured with the MD-11. By the time they had taken the ex-Reno aircraft, AA was already committed to the 738.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
Last time I heard, the chances of Delta acquring these MD-90s is about 80%.

How long ago was that? I read on here that the deal was off, I hope not though.
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:48 am

It's a shame Delta didn't get their hands on the ex-ProAir MD-90s before they were scrapped. As for the China Southern rumor, don't be so sure that the deal's off...


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Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:26 am

I agree.

The MD90's from China will **probably** happen in the next year (this from a pretty upper management source at TechOps). I'm not very happy with the possible acquisition, but it is what it is.

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Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:59 am

Quoting DLOnur (Reply 8):
The MD90's from China will **probably** happen in the next year (this from a pretty upper management source at TechOps).

Good news, I'll be looking forward to the press release.  Smile
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:34 am

If September 11th hadn't happened, AA would have continued to take delivery of 717s. I remember seeing an interview with Boeing CEO Phil Condit while AA was in the process of acquiring TWA. He said that AA intended to take delivery of all of the firm orders and hadn't ruled out taking some of the options.

AA had a big problem with the lease rates on the 717s and could not get a price that it wanted from Boeing. Since the F100s were paid for, the 717s went back to Boeing.

A friend of mine who flies for AA has told me that if managment had known in '01 what it figured out by '03, that the cost of maintaining the F100 fleet become very high, it probably would have kept the 717s and disposed of the F100s.

Since the retirement of the F100s, AA has had a lot of scheduling headaches with no 100-seat airplane, and customers that were used to first-class upgrades on the Fokkers have let customer service know that they don't care for the single-class Embrears and CRJs.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting DLOnur (Reply 2):
MD88's: 120 A/C (lots of different Reg. #'s)

N901DL-N926DL, N927DA, N928DL-N998DL, N999DN, N900DE-920DE.

As said, N901DL (901) and N902DL (902) have been returned and are no longer with us. R.I.P. (yes I know they aren't really dead yet)
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:55 am

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 11):
As said, N901DL (901) and N902DL (902) have been returned and are no longer with us. R.I.P. (yes I know they aren't really dead yet)

Aww, really? N901DL is the only mainline Delta plane I've been on. Did it get scrapped, stored, or sent elsewhere? It had the new interior too when I flew it in April 2005. At least I think my DL Connection CRJ is still around... at any rate I only know of two aircraft I've flown on that have been sent elsewhere, re-branded (not counting HP planes that are now US) or retired - N901DL and then a US Airways Express E170 (which was actually my last flight on June 22nd) which has been transferred to Frontier JetExpress, but is still otherwise with Republic.
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:10 pm

I'm actually flying my first-ever MD-90s flights at the end of this month. (DEN-SLC-LAS).

1. Why is there so much buzz about these birds being junk?

2. Also, why does Delta base them all out of SLC?

3. I thought the MD-90s were slightly larger than MD-88s...but they look like they carry less pax. Yes or no?

4. Anything else I should know about them before my flights? I'm sitting in 33E both segments...so I can hear the purr of the engines.
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:44 pm

Quoting DIA (Reply 13):
3. I thought the MD-90s were slightly larger than MD-88s...but they look like they carry less pax. Yes or no?

No, in Delta's config, the MD-90s seat 150 passengers, while the MD-88s seat 142.
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:49 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 12):
Aww, really? N901DL is the only mainline Delta plane I've been on. Did it get scrapped, stored, or sent elsewhere?

Yes, really. They have been returned to the lessor. No word yet what is being done with them. My best guess is that they will try to get some cheap airline to buy them or something. If no one bites - scrap 'em. That's just a guess though. Anyone with insider input can chime in on this one.

Quoting DIA (Reply 13):
1. Why is there so much buzz about these birds being junk?

Cus they're old. But so are a lot of other planes, so I don't see what the big deal is. I might take a guess and say the other thing is that they are limited and a bit 'unique'.

Quoting DIA (Reply 13):
2. Also, why does Delta base them all out of SLC?

Because they have better performance then the MD-88 and work better in the hot/dry/high environment.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:04 pm

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 15):
Cus they're old. But so are a lot of other planes, so I don't see what the big deal is. I might take a guess and say the other thing is that they are limited and a bit 'unique'.

They are not THAT old, the first MD-90 was delivered in 1995, which is still quite young compared to some of Delta's MD-88s, 757s, and domestic 767-300s. I would expect that the MD-90s will be Delta's last McDonnell Douglas aircraft to be retired, after the MD-88s are retired. While they did frequently have mechanical problems when they first entered service, those problems are not as common now and Delta is now fine with their MD-90s, which is why Delta is interested in acquring some second-hand.
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:11 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 16):
They are not THAT old, the first MD-90 was delivered in 1995

True, my mistake.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:34 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 16):
While they did frequently have mechanical problems when they first entered service, those problems are not as common now and Delta is now fine with their MD-90s,

Weren't those early problems for the most part self inflicted, because ground crews ignored instructions as to the ground power units??
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:58 pm

This may be a stupid question, but why does DL have most of their MD-90's based in SLC?
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:22 pm

The MD-90 is considered junk because it has reliability (read: dispatch reliability) problems.
I think the biggest problem was MD's choice to use VSCF generators rather than the more common IDG setup. Notice Boeing flip flopped on this one too: the 737NG reverted to the old-school IDG design.
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:32 pm

Quoting AirplaneFan (Reply 19):
This may be a stupid question, but why does DL have most of their MD-90's based in SLC?

Perfect for the routes they fly out there. As you may know, the 90 has the largest tail mounted engine out there and it performs well in the climates out there. As some also may or may not not, the MD90 COULD have been today what the 738 is for Delta's fleet. can someone who knows more about that issue please elaborate.
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:35 pm

Quoting AirplaneFan (Reply 19):
This may be a stupid question, but why does DL have most of their MD-90's based in SLC?

DLs MD90s have better high altitude performance than their MD88s (read, more powerful engines) this is helpful due to SLCs altitude and single engine out performance requirements. There are also several west coast airports that have noise restrictions that the MD90s meet.

This is not to say that on occasion you will see MD88s sub for MD90s in SLC. AA operates either their MD82s or MD83s into SLC.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:37 pm

Interesting note on the 90 and I am sure someone can go more into detail about it but it could have been what the 738 is for Delta today. Something about issues with MD is what changed their mind.
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:05 pm

Delta at first was going to buy the MD-90 to replace the 727s. But after the problems that the MD-90's had when they entered service, Delta thought against it being a replacement for the 727s and then turned around and bought the 737-800.
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):

How many are they planning to acquire from China?
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:21 pm

I'm digging deep into the memory banks now, but I think Delta was the launch customer for the MD90, with 50 orders and 50 options. At approximately the same time, they had also ordered brand new 733 with the glass cockpit. Up to that time, all the 733's were ex Western. But that was when the long painful slide towards Ch11 was beginning, and if I recall, only 5 737-332's were delivered, and as we know only 16 MD90 came into the fleet.

I remember hearing a couple of rumors at the time regarding the MD90. One was that someone in the US Gov. was pressuring DAL to buy the airplane to try to help save MD. I always had a tough time believing that one. The other rumor was that originally the MD90 was going to be 75% identical to the MD88, and it ended up being 75% different. So what was supposed to be a MD88 with better High/Hot performance, ended up as a totally different airplane. As mentioned, dispatch reliability was not good and nowhere near what the MD88 were getting. In addition to the VSCF system problems, there were engine cowling problems, lack of parts in general, and poor vendor performance of the engine overhauls. All in all, a small disaster for an airline loosing tons of money, and loosing the corporate will to take care of high maintenance airplanes (see the L1011/MD11)

As a final comment on the management of the time at DAL, they were also the launch customer for the 764, with 21 orders and 24 options, IIRC. 2 new aircraft launches, no options taken, and only 1 full order taken. Hmmmm,,,,,,
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:50 am

Quoting Deltasju777 (Reply 25):

How many are they planning to acquire from China?

I believe all 13 of them. I wonder if Delta will add IFE to them or not, though, as China Southern's MD-90s don't have IFE.

Quoting Gt1 (Reply 26):
I remember hearing a couple of rumors at the time regarding the MD90. One was that someone in the US Gov. was pressuring DAL to buy the airplane to try to help save MD.

No, it simply was because McDonnell Douglas was Delta's preferred aircraft supplier at the time. This also explains why Delta chose the MD-88 over the 737-400. Also, at the time, Boeing did not offer a true 727 replacement, so the MD-90 or the Airbus A320 were the only two viable options. Since McDonnell Douglas was Delta's preferred supplier, they easily won over Airbus, despite the fact that the A320 offers more range and better fuel efficiency. Delta's initial dissatisfaction with the MD-90 (and the MD-11) is what soured Delta's relationship with McDonnell Douglas, and with the 737-800 on the horizon, Delta opted to order the 737-800 instead and cancel their remaining MD-90 orders. Delta's remaining MD-11 orders were also cancelled in favor of the 777.
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Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:52 am

Unfortunately, the latest word is, the China Southern deal is now dead.
 
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RE: Questions Regards AA And DL MD80 & 90 Status

Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:27 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 13):
1. Why is there so much buzz about these birds being junk?

If you notice, most of this buzz comes from disgruntled DL employees, often based in SLC, and usually mechanics. I've heard lots of positives from pilots, cabin crew, and of course passengers like myself.

Quoting DIA (Reply 13):
4. Anything else I should know about them before my flights? I'm sitting in 33E both segments...

Even though you are going to be in the very back, it should be noticeably quieter than if you were in the same seat in an MD-88.

Quoting Gt1 (Reply 26):
The other rumor was that originally the MD90 was going to be 75% identical to the MD88, and it ended up being 75% different. So what was supposed to be a MD88 with better High/Hot performance, ended up as a totally different airplane.

That is just a rumor. Outside of DL, the MD-90 failed because it was too much like the MD-88 and not upgraded enough. The two are closer to 75% identical than 75% different. Also, the hot and high performance is approved, hence why they are based at SLC.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 27):
Delta's remaining MD-11 orders were also cancelled in favor of the 777.

Largely in part of Boeing's persuasion. By the late 90's DL was happy with their MD-11's. Their last MD-11 was delivered less than a year before their first 777.
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RE: Questions Regards AA And DL MD80 & 90 Status

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:09 pm

Don't think this was answered above:

1.How many MD-90s were made?

2. How many of these were made in Asia?

3. How many are flying in the U.S.?

Thanks for the other answers to my questions, guys...
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Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 27):
No, it simply was because McDonnell Douglas was Delta's preferred aircraft supplier at the time.

 checkmark  "Fly Delta Jets" was historically synonymous with MDD aircraft from the C.E. Woolman days well into the 1980s.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 29):
Largely in part of Boeing's persuasion. By the late 90s DL was happy with their MD-11's. Their last MD-11 was delivered less than a year before their first 777.

Not so much Boeing trying to persuade them than MDD shooting themselves in the foot and turning off their most loyal customer airline over many generations. The MD-11 was a flop on the PDX-NRT flights, almost ALWAYS having to make an ANC fuel stop. It NEVER performed up to the expectations DL had for it. DL would have been better off to have hung onto Westerns fleet of DC-10s for a few more years and then gone with the Boeing 772ER when that became available by the late 1990s.
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Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:08 pm

Quoting DIA (Reply 30):
2. How many of these were made in Asia?

There are two left flying, B2100, and B2103 both with China Northern, I guess now China Southern. I believe there were three manufactured, one may have been written off.
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Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:17 pm

Quoting D950 (Reply 32):
I believe there were three manufactured, one may have been written off.

I seem to recall some sort of MD-90 incident...you may be refering to this...I just can't recall any details...Maybe an incident in Taipei?
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Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:23 pm

Quoting DIA (Reply 33):
I seem to recall some sort of MD-90 incident...you may be refering to this...I just can't recall any details...Maybe an incident in Taipei?

I think that was an EVA/UNI deal with an overrun.
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Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:50 pm

Quoting DIA (Reply 30):
3. How many are flying in the U.S.?

DL has a fleet of 16 of them, that are primarily based out of their SLC hub.
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Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:30 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 13):
1. Why is there so much buzz about these birds being junk?

TDR. They have the lowest TDR in the Delta fleet. TDR=Technical Dispatch Rate or Reliability depending on who you talk to. There are many reasons for this but in my opinion it's because of the limited number of 90s produced. Companies aren't interested in supporting the components that are unique to the 90. We have huge numbers of spare parts that have been at the vendor for over a year. Why? Because no one wants to stop their production of Boeing parts to make a couple of MD-90 parts. They do it when they are slow after they've made everything else. The demand just isn't big enough. We are on the ragged edge of parking planes due to lack of spares and they want to buy more! The situation with engineering support for the 90 is very similar.

Quoting DIA (Reply 13):
2. Also, why does Delta base them all out of SLC?

In addition to the other reasons already given we are in SLC, unfortunately, the experts at fixing the pieces of crap.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 29):
If you notice, most of this buzz comes from disgruntled DL employees, often based in SLC, and usually mechanics

Who would know better?

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 29):
I've heard lots of positives from pilots, cabin crew,

You must not be talking to the crews that fly the 90 because from a reliability standpoint most of the ones I talk to hate it as much as I do.

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Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 13):
I'm actually flying my first-ever MD-90s flights at the end of this month. (DEN-SLC-LAS).

1. Why is there so much buzz about these birds being junk?


I like them. I've flown on them numerous times in and out of SLC to SNA/PDX/LAX/SLC/PHX etc.... and have never had a problem with them. From a pax standpoint I don't see any problems with them.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 20):
I've never flown on one, but look forward to it on my DFW-SLC leg after Thanksgiving holiday.

Better then an RJ which frequents this route.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 27):
Delta's remaining MD-11 orders were also cancelled in favor of the 777.



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 31):
The MD-11 was a flop on the PDX-NRT flights,

While in High School I worked at a restaurant inside PDX. I loved Delta's noon-ish bank of flights where 5 MD-11's were on the ground at the same time plus numerous other aircraft headed all over the US. However, working mostly weekends because of school, we would get a ton of Delta vouchers all weekend long because of MX issues. Most of the time it wasn't nothing unmanageable but enough for Delta to hand out $7 lunch vouchers. I admit, I did tell a few of the customers we had that this was a regular occurrence (looking back now this probably wasn't a very bright idea).  Yeah sure

I wish the PDX operation was still around and seeing 5 777's on the ground at a time. The chances I would have been hired by Delta for the ramp in PDX would also have been much better (they outsourced about 6 months or so after I had applied).
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:12 am

The MD-90's are fine. They're just not "Big DC-9's with Big Engines" the way some of the mechanics and ground personnel unfamiliar with the differences thought they were.

If you take care of an MD-90 like it's a different aircraft, rather than the method of treating it like an MD-88, it's very reliable, passenger-friendly and a joy to fly.

Ask any pilot who has flown both the MD-88 and the MD-90 and I can confidently say that they'll tell you that the MD-90 is far superior to the MD-88.

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RE: Questions Regards AA And DL MD80 & 90 Status

Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 31):
The MD-11 was a flop on the PDX-NRT flights, almost ALWAYS having to make an ANC fuel stop. It NEVER performed up to the expectations DL had for it.

Almost always? How can that be when DL operated Asia routes from JFK and ATL with the MD-11 without many problems? Maybe in 1991, maybe it was just PDX,.. but that's another thread.  duck 

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 36):
Who would know better?

I will take a pilots word on an aircraft above anyone else. They fly the plane, they would know. Not to minimize a mechanic point of view, your opinion is certainly valid. But who will be the most bitter when it comes to performance?
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RE: Questions Regards AA And DL MD80 & 90 Status

Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:15 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 39):

I will take a pilots word on an aircraft above anyone else. They fly the plane, they would know. Not to minimize a mechanic point of view, your opinion is certainly valid. But who will be the most bitter when it comes to performance?

I'm going to respectfully disagree with this statement...while the pilots might fly the aircraft and "like the feel" of how they fly, the people who have to keep the crappy plane flying to me are the ones who really know the bird, the ones who have to climb into the bowels of the A/C and pull out pumps and fix hydraulic lines and keep the bird flying.

I respect pilots and I feel as though they have spent years honing their skills in flying A/C, but in the end, it's the mechanics who make the plane fly, plain and simple. Without the mechanics, pilots would have no planes to fly (I've met very few pilots who know very much about the actual mechanical/component/R & R/ aspects of the planes they fly--just like most people and their cars. There are great car drivers out there, but 95% of people have no clue as to where the oil pump is, or the oil filter, or at what compression their cylinders should be operating, or where TDC is, etc., etc.

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RE: Questions Regards AA And DL MD80 & 90 Status

Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:39 am

Quoting DLOnur (Reply 40):
Without the mechanics, pilots would have no planes to fly

I don't disagree with your post, obviously mechanics know the plane inside and out better than anyone, other than the engineers. From the pilot's standpoint, they can give thoughts on performance, avionics, system responses such as autopilot, and other flight characteristics that only those who have the plane in their control would know. It's just a matter of differing opinions. Mechanics disliked the L1011, and it was the most advanced airliner of its time. I take a bitter mechanics words with a grain of salt.

DL pilots give the MD-90 a thumbs up, mechanics a thumbs down. But for DL, the MD-90 in a way is similar to the A300 with AA. The lone US carrier has its troubles, but the aircraft types fly fine in other parts of the world.
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RE: Questions Regards AA And DL MD80 & 90 Status

Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:04 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 41):
I take a bitter mechanics words with a grain of salt.

Who said I'm bitter? Quite the opposite. I'm an overtime whore who has benefitted greatly from the MD-90....just as I did from the L-1011. The problem is routinely facing customers in the jetway that are deplaning their third MD-90 and have yet to leave the ground. That doesn't happen with any of our aircraft. In SLC the MD-90 accounts for roughly a third of our flights and every month takes over 50% of our mechanical delays. Why do you suppose that is? The L-1011 didn't have such a poor record.

I resent your assumption that because I think an aircraft is a POS that I'm bitter. Do you fly sir? If you do you trust my judgement. I don't like that you question my judgement in this matter by taking it with a grain of salt and calling me bitter.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 41):
DL pilots give the MD-90 a thumbs up

It's true DL pilots like the performance of the MD-90...when it's flying. They, do however, share our disdain for the aircraft when it comes to reliability. Mechanics couldn't care less about performance. We do care about safety and reliability. I won't go as far as saying the MD-90 isn't safe. We wont let it go if we don't think it's safe. I know it isn't reliable.

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