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Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:29 pm

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WARSAW, Oct 8 (Reuters) - Wizz Air, a leading no-frills airline in eastern and central Europe, will sign the region's largest aircraft order from planemaker Airbus [ARBU.UL] on Wednesday, the two companies said on Monday.

"The new order is the largest one for Airbus in central and eastern Europe. The order will allow Wizz Air to become one of the largest regional carriers with narrow-body aircraft," the two said in an invitation to the signing ceremony in Warsaw.

Wizz Air declined to comment further, while an Airbus spokesman was not immediately available.

http://www.reuters.com/article/tnBas...ndustries-SP/idUSL0810209020071008

I guess a full A319/320/321 combo here. Could imagine that they will take some options on Widebodies for future long-haul operations from Eastern Europe.
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:44 pm

Very good news! I hope they will add more services from EIN. I love the short, cheap breaks to eastern europe,
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:45 pm

I guess they will buy A320s IMO
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:49 pm

They've currently got 29 A320s left to deliver from their last order so this is another big expansion of a loco - possibility of some A330s is interesting too
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:55 pm

No way a LCC will buy/get A330's. Will never happen.
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:07 pm

Why on Earth would an East-European LCC carrier need A330s or any wide-bodies for that matter? This will be a big follow-on order for A32S family aircrafts... The only candidates are A319/A320.

Anyhow a nice order and a good indication that things are going the right way at W6. I think they will boost their presence in Romania and Bulgaria to close the space in front of their main competitor, SkyEurope.
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:07 pm

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
No way a LCC will buy/get A330's. Will never happen.

Why is that...? confused 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:08 pm

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
No way a LCC will buy/get A330's. Will never happen.

Your prediction is outdated even before you made it.

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...items/07_06_19_fly_asian_a330.html

[Edited 2007-10-08 06:10:13]
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:10 pm

Asia is a bit different........ CX/SQ/MH are all flying big widebodies on short regional routes in Asia.... Won't see that in Europe, and I'm sure Wizz will not go for longhaul.....
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
No way a LCC will buy/get A330's. Will never happen.

What do you call Air Asia X ?  Wow!



or how about JetStar ?  Wow!



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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:12 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
Why is that...? confused

Because on long-haul the LCC principle does not work out. Different cost structure. Also adding second type does not fit into a pure LCC strategy. They would more likely increase frequencies instead of capacity.
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:15 pm

WINGS,

As i said before, Asia is a total different LCC market. In Europe you will only see narrowbodies operating for LCC's, due to the fact they offer point to point from smaller regional airports.
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:15 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 10):
Also adding second type does not fit into a pure LCC strategy.

Yeah but what about easyJet's NG737's and A319's happily flying together? Big grin
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:16 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 12):
Yeah but what about easyJet's NG737's and A319's happily flying together?

The 737's will be phased out. U2 will be an all Airbus operator.
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:16 pm

Quoting KL911 (Reply 8):
Asia is a bit different........ Won't see that in Europe.

Air Berlin has 787s on order for future long haul and with so many European LCC operating the A320, but you really think we are not negotiating with some of them on possible A330s?

if Airbus would have given A330s dirt cheap as they had hoped for, AB would be the first European LCC with A330s on order already! However, contrary to what you constantly hear on A.net, we are not into that kind of business: It is the best long haul twin you can get for a very long time still and that is reflected in the price.
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:17 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 12):
Yeah but what about easyJet's NG737's and A319's happily flying together?

IIRC, EZY wants to phase out the 73Gs and replace them A319s, so it is only a temporary thing  Wink .
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:22 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 12):
Yeah but what about easyJet's NG737's and A319's happily flying together? Big grin

737NGs are on a slow way out with easyjet.
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:31 pm

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
I guess a full A319/320/321 combo here. Could imagine that they will take some options on Widebodies for future long-haul operations from Eastern Europe.

I think that this will be only A319s and A320s. A321s are not very common with low cost airlines in Europe (I can only think of FlyNiki). Air Berlin/LTU is not a classic low cost carrier.
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:35 pm

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
No way a LCC will buy/get A330's. Will never happen.



Quoting KL911 (Reply 8):
Asia is a bit different........



Quoting PEET7G (Reply 5):
Why on Earth would an East-European LCC carrier need A330s or any wide-bodies for that matter?

There is a lot of money to be made on low cost travel between Poland and USA currently controlled by LOT monopoly. With Open Skies coming it could be a smart move from Wizz (if they order A330 apart from more A320 which are certain). Are they brave enough?

[Edited 2007-10-08 06:44:54]
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:35 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 10):
Because on long-haul the LCC principle does not work out. Different cost structure. Also adding second type does not fit into a pure LCC strategy. They would more likely increase frequencies instead of capacity.

Sorry, but Oasis proved that pretty much wrong very quickly.

I don't though see where is says anything about Wizz getting A330s? In fact, to the contrary if you read the article, it says; "...The order will allow Wizz Air to become one of the largest regional carriers with narrow-body aircraft," Expect it just to be the Airbus narrow bodies then, probably only the A320 too, as the article also states; "Wizz Air already flies 13 Airbus 320s and earlier said it plans to maintain a uniform fleet."


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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:48 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 17):
I can only think of FlyNiki

... who inherited them from AeroLloyd

Quoting Columba (Reply 17):
Air Berlin/LTU is not a classic low cost carrier.

 checkmark 

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):

Sorry, but Oasis proved that pretty much wrong very quickly.

How successful they are going to be remains to be seen. The vast share of trip costs on long haul flight is fixed (Fuel, Capital, Personnel) and hence as a LCC you don't have much room to distinguish your product from that of legacy carriers.
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:05 pm

Where will Wizz fly from in the future - more bases outside of Poland and Hungary, or additional expansion from its existing airports?

Will their Bulgarian operation expand significantly?
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:07 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 10):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
Why is that...? confused

Because on long-haul the LCC principle does not work out. Different cost structure. Also adding second type does not fit into a pure LCC strategy. They would more likely increase frequencies instead of capacity.



Quoting KL911 (Reply 11):
WINGS,

As i said before, Asia is a total different LCC market. In Europe you will only see narrowbodies operating for LCC's, due to the fact they offer point to point from smaller regional airports.



Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 14):
Air Berlin has 787s on order

 checkmark ...that is why I don't see why LCC's cannot purchase widebodies....

...that being said, even though we see LH and KL flying widebodies to LHR, I don't expect to see widebodies shuttling between WAW and FRA with LCC's.....but LCC's certainly can (and will) purchase widebodies..

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 14):
It (A330) is the best long haul twin you can get for a very long time still and that is reflected in the price.

 redflag ...it certainly is not the best...it depends on the mission...
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:11 pm

Quoting Mattfalcus (Reply 21):
Where will Wizz fly from in the future - more bases outside of Poland and Hungary, or additional expansion from its existing airports?

Both.

Quoting Mattfalcus (Reply 21):
Will their Bulgarian operation expand significantly?

Don't know about "significantly" but it's bound to expand.

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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:12 pm

Wizz Air is doing and excellent job in WAW. This order is just a result of good thing happening to this airline.
Not a bad idea to do the Trans-Atlantic routes.

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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:13 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 14):
It (A330) is the best long haul twin you can get for a very long time still and that is reflected in the price.

redflag ...it certainly is not the best...it depends on the mission...

Alright, let's not start shall we.
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 25):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 14):
It (A330) is the best long haul twin you can get for a very long time still and that is reflected in the price.

redflag ...it certainly is not the best...it depends on the mission...

Alright, let's not start shall we.

...I agree..but it was not a correct statement (IMHO) which needed to be clarified.... Wink
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:35 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 26):
IMHO

That's exactly the point, everyone has his/her own opinion, and if we all think we have to clarify a statement that we think is incorrect, we'll be in the middle of an A vs. B war  Smile
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:37 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 27):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 26):
IMHO

That's exactly the point, everyone has his/her own opinion, and if we all think we have to clarify a statement that we think is incorrect, we'll be in the middle of an A vs. B war  Smile

....true, very true... Smile
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:42 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 26):
it was not a correct statement (IMHO) which needed to be clarified....

Well, if we are going to nitpick, my statement is correct but incomplete.

I should have said that for all realistic mission profiles which the A330 can do, it will come out on top before any other plane.

Only when you take into consideration long haul mission profiles which it can't do, is there another widebody twin which can then be considered.

But I admit I was actually talking with LCCs in mind when I said what I did, so  whiteflag . It is not worth fighting over.
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:59 pm

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 29):
Well, if we are going to nitpick, my statement is correct but incomplete.

I should have said that for all realistic mission profiles which the A330 can do, it will come out on top before any other plane.

...I can't comment since I've basically agreed not to.... tapedshut 

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 29):
But I admit I was actually talking with LCCs in mind when I said what I did, so  whiteflag  . It is not worth fighting over.

....but I'll agree on that one... Smile
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:34 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 10):
Also adding second type does not fit into a pure LCC strategy.

I can think of more LCCs who operate two or more types...

Jet2 use 737-300s and 757-200s (and most of the recent fleet expansion over the last two years have been with 757s)
AirTran use 717s and 737-700s
jetBlue use A320s and E195s
Virgin Blue use 737-700/800s and E170s (with E190s on the way)
flybe have BAe 146s, Dash 8s, E145s and E195s (although this can be linked to the takeover of BA Connect)

While one type of aircraft is what makes up a typical airline using a business model based on a LCC strategy, it's clear that LCCs have defied the typical LCC strategy to do stuff like adding another type yet these airlines (most of them) flourish.
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:30 pm

Maybe a base in Croatia sometime??
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:59 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
checkmark ...that is why I don't see why LCC's cannot purchase widebodies....

AB is not really a LCC by any means. There is hardly one LCC characteristic they really comply with.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
...that being said, even though we see LH and KL flying widebodies to LHR,

which is more related to the slot limitations of LHR.

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 31):

I wrote "pure LCC strategy". There actually very few airlines with a pure LCC strategy ...
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:41 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 33):

I wrote "pure LCC strategy". There actually very few airlines with a pure LCC strategy ...

That's what I said.

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 31):
While one type of aircraft is what makes up a typical airline using a business model based on a LCC strategy, it's clear that LCCs have defied the typical LCC strategy to do stuff like adding another type yet these airlines (most of them) flourish.
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 33):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
...that being said, even though we see LH and KL flying widebodies to LHR,

which is more related to the slot limitations of LHR.

And LH uses the A300 which is suitable for those short flights, not 330 or any other typical long-haul aircrafts
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:31 pm

Surely the Polish massive expansion can only be maintained for so long before the bubble bursts....
 
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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:39 am

Why is it that the majority of Wizzair's A320s have Hungarian registration? (HA- )

Perhaps Wizzair will order some A321 for their high volume flights. I don't think Wizz would want to venture into the long-haul market just yet but there is definitely a market for low-cost long haul ops from eastern Europe.

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RE: Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:31 pm

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 37):
Why is it that the majority of Wizzair's A320s have Hungarian registration? (HA- )

Because it is a Hungarian enterprise (well, actually Hungarian - American, but based in Hungary). Also, since all of their aircraft rotate through Poland and other bases, they don't have to register them in Poland. Polish regulations state that the aircraft has to be Polish-registered only if it is based within borders of the country for the period longer than one calendar year.

BTW Wizzair also has some of their A320s registered in Bulgaria.

[Edited 2007-10-09 06:33:10]
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