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Thai History At DFW?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:56 pm

Thai Airlines began service at DFW in 1980. Does anyone know when the service was terminated?
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:30 pm

I believe it ended late 80s-early 90s (1993 rings a bell, for some reason). Even without flights to DFW, Thai still had a ticket office on I-35 north of downtown for years - they were in the same building as the Korean Air office. Not sure, but I believe both airlines have since left - Thai for good, Korean to another location.
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:10 pm

I remember seeing Thai's ticket counter and logo at Terminal 2W for most of my childhood in the mid and late 1980s. If I'm not mistaken, they flew BKK-NRT-SEA-DFW. I don't ever remember actually seeing their 747 parked at the gate - it may have been a night flight which came and went after I was already in bed. I do remember seeing Lufthansa (in those days they used Terminal 2E) and British Caledonian (at 4E.)

I believe they pulled out at some point between 1989 and 1991 - maybe during the first Gulf War? As Commavia pointed out, they kept their ticket office on Stemmons Freeway for several years after, in the same building as Delta's DFW district office and KAL.
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:34 pm

They're in the 9/90 OAG and not in the 2/91.
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:41 pm

Thai now only has freighter service at DFW. I believe there is only one B-747F per week.
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:42 pm

Korean Air still flys into DFW last a recall. I don't think it's daily, but I saw a Korean 777 turning for a final 3 weeks ago.
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:45 pm

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 5):
Korean Air still flys into DFW last a recall. I don't think it's daily, but I saw a Korean 777 turning for a final 3 weeks ago.

Three times a week, but with Korean Air setting it's sights on Houston, the future of that service is questionable.
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:45 pm

Korean Air is still at DFW three days a week, saw their 777 taxing out last Thursday.
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:52 pm

You know, reading this thread I can't help but to recall that both IAH and DFW have had some interesting carriers over past 30 years or so. Airlines that one would not normally associate with serving Texas.

IAH;
Royal Jordanian
Gulf Air (Did not last 1 year, if I am not mistaken)
South African
Pakistan

DFW;
Thai
Air New Zealand (I never understood that service)
Sabena
JAL

Did I forget anyone?

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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 8):
You know, reading this thread I can't help but to recall that both IAH and DFW have had some interesting carriers over past 30 years or so. Airlines that one would not normally associate with serving Texas.

IAH;
Royal Jordanian
Gulf Air (Did not last 1 year, if I am not mistaken)
South African
Pakistan

DFW;
Thai
Air New Zealand (I never understood that service)
Sabena
JAL

Did I forget anyone?

DFW also has had Air France, A-340-300 (I believe they still fly to IAH)
KLM, A-330-200
TACA ,A-320 series, B-737 classics
Japan Airlines, B-747-400
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:08 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Thai now only has freighter service at DFW. I believe there is only one B-747F per week.

Not unless they contract with another carrier like KE does with Southern Air and Cargo 360. Too bad though, I'd love to see either pax or cargo here.
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
DFW also has had Air France, A-340-300 (I believe they still fly to IAH)
KLM, A-330-200
TACA ,A-320 series, B-737 classics
Japan Airlines, B-747-400

Actually I was thinking of some of the more unique carriers, airlines that had (or still have) little presence in the US. With the exceptions of JAL and Sabena (which I should have not included as they have or had in the case of SB a sizable US presence), the other carriers that I referenced had no more than 3 US gateways at anyone time, and rarely strayed from the power house US airports of JFK, LAX, MIA, SFO or ORD.

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[Edited 2007-10-08 17:20:17]
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:03 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Thai now only has freighter service at DFW. I believe there is only one B-747F per week.

I am not aware that we have any freighter services to DFW, as we do not have any freighters. Can you qualify this a bit more. We utilize AF Equipment with TG Code Share to some places i.e. CDG etc.
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:18 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
DFW also has had Air France, A-340-300 (I believe they still fly to IAH)
KLM, A-330-200
TACA ,A-320 series, B-737 classics
Japan Airlines, B-747-400

KLM will be Starting on 3-30-08 with daily A330 service
TACA- still flies to DFW daily, using A319,A320, and A321 depending on loads

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Thai now only has freighter service at DFW. I believe there is only one B-747F per week.

Thai does not have any freighter service into DFW on there own medal, if they contract with another carrier that could be.

I know Air France flies 744 once a week into DFW on Sat mornings

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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:54 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 8):
Air New Zealand (I never understood that service)

This was pre-744 days when NZ (TE) could not do a one stop flight to London. They flew AKL-PPT-DFW-LGW and back as an alternative to AKL-LGW via I believe HNL (or possibly another South Pacific destination) and LAX. It lasted maybe a year, and never got above once a week frequency. I would drive out to DFW many times just to see the 742 there, it was quite unique to say the least.

I do know once Thai pulled out of DFW and the airport lost it's only direct service to Tokyo, NW Orient for a short while was flying a 742 DFW-SFO-NRT, with the a/c overnighting at DFW. It wasn't long thereafter AA got their 74L's on the route.

A couple other foreign carriers that used to fly to DFW were Air Jamaica in the early 80's; Aeroejectivos (dba as Aeroexo) that flew 727's to Monterrey, MX. As for JAL, I only recall them using M11 equipment on the DFW run although it's possible they did use a 744 for awhile. They, like SN and AF didn't stick around long after 9/11. Canadian also flew there, to YYZ and YVR for a short period prior to their merger with AC. IIRC, Zambia Airways had rights to fly there in the 80's, but had neither the cash nor equipment to make the flight. Why DFW I never knew. It would have been an interesting routing for sure.
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:24 am

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 14):
This was pre-744 days when NZ (TE) could not do a one stop flight to London. They flew AKL-PPT-DFW-LGW and back as an alternative to AKL-LGW via I believe HNL (or possibly another South Pacific destination) and LAX. It lasted maybe a year, and never got above once a week frequency. I would drive out to DFW many times just to see the 742 there, it was quite unique to say the least.

Yeah, I was living in the UK when this service started and was very surprised to hear about it, still an odd route.

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 14):
IIRC, Zambia Airways had rights to fly there in the 80's, but had neither the cash nor equipment to make the flight. Why DFW I never knew. It would have been an interesting routing for sure.

Well someone had to service the lucrative Dallas/Lusaka run  wink  , indeed a very strange route had in come to fruition. IIRC, Zambia Airways had a very brief service to JFK in the 90s, not sure of the routing but very likely via a European airport (most likely LHR). I remember seeing Zambia's DC-10s at LHR and FRA in the 90s.

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 14):
Air Jamaica in the early 80's; Aeroejectivos (dba as Aeroexo) that flew 727's to Monterrey



Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 14):
. Canadian also flew there, to YYZ and YVR for a short period prior to their merger with AC

Yeah these serviced IAH as well, hell, JM even gave IAH a second shot in '00', sadly they could not make IAH work and ceased ops in '05', I believe. And now IAH's last Caribbean carrier, Caymen Airways, an airline that has been serving Houston for almost 30 years is set to depart H-Town sometime next month  Sad . Really hate to see them go.

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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:36 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
Thai still had a ticket office on I-35 north of downtown for years - they were in the same building as the Korean Air office.

This was the same office building that for many years (until the late 90's I believe) was home to the DL Regional Sales Office and DL's Dallas Reservations Center.
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 14):
I do know once Thai pulled out of DFW and the airport lost it's only direct service to Tokyo, NW Orient for a short while was flying a 742 DFW-SFO-NRT, with the a/c overnighting at DFW. It wasn't long thereafter AA got their 74L's on the route.

?

AA started flying DFW-NRT in May 1987. I thought Thai still flew to DFW into the late 1980s or early 1990s? That would mean AA was flying DFW-NRT simultaneously with Thai before they pulled out.

[Edited 2007-10-08 19:24:45]
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 17):
AA started flying DFW-NRT in May 2001. I thought Thai still flew to DFW into the late 1980s or early 1990s? That would mean AA was flying DFW-NRT simultaneously with Thai before they pulled out.

I'm pretty sure AA was flying DFW-NRT well before then. May 2001 is when AA started flights to NRT from JFK, ORD and LAX (after they got extra slots following the opening of NRT's second runway.) My May 1995 timetable shows DFW-NRT flights with the MD11, along with SEA-NRT and SJC-NRT, both since discontinued.
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 18):
May 2001 is when AA started flights to NRT from JFK, ORD and LAX (after they got extra slots following the opening of NRT's second runway.)

JFK-NRT launched in mid-2002, and LAX-NRT in late 2003/early 2004. ORD-NRT launched in the late 1990s.
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 8):
You know, reading this thread I can't help but to recall that both IAH and DFW have had some interesting carriers over past 30 years or so. Airlines that one would not normally associate with serving Texas.

IAH;
Royal Jordanian
Gulf Air (Did not last 1 year, if I am not mistaken)
South African
Pakistan

DFW;
Thai
Air New Zealand (I never understood that service)
Sabena
JAL

Did I forget anyone?


DFW also has had Air France, A-340-300 (I believe they still fly to IAH)
KLM, A-330-200
TACA ,A-320 series, B-737 classics
Japan Airlines, B-747-400

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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:23 am

Quoting RW717 (Reply 20):
It's all about the black gold!

No, not really. Perhaps in the case of RJ (ALIA as it was more commonly called back then) and GF, yes, but not in the case of SA or PK. As for DFW, certainly not about the oil.

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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 18):
I'm pretty sure AA was flying DFW-NRT well before then.

Correct. Sorry - I meant May 1987.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
ORD-NRT launched in the late 1990s.

April 1998.
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:26 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 17):
AA started flying DFW-NRT in May 2001. I thought Thai still flew to DFW into the late 1980s or early 1990s? That would mean AA was flying DFW-NRT simultaneously with Thai before they pulled out.

I lived in Dallas in the 80's and 90's, and I don't recall these operations being simultaneous either. In fact I don't recall Thai flying to DFW much past the mid 80's but without digging through lots of boxes of timetables I can't say for sure. I do know in my database of timetables have, Thai was at least operating their service in the summer of 1984. I have a NW timetable for 6/6/85 that shows the DFW-SFO-NRT route, and I thought that happened after Thai pulled out. Otherwise, I can't say for sure, but I really thought Thai was long gone before AA started.
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 21):
No, not really. Perhaps in the case of RJ (ALIA as it was more commonly called back then) and GF, yes, but not in the case of SA or PK. As for DFW, certainly not about the oil.

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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:23 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
JFK-NRT launched in mid-2002, and LAX-NRT in late 2003/early 2004. ORD-NRT launched in the late 1990s.

My mistake. I thought I remembered them all being launched in one fell swoop, but I might be thinking of the route awards, not the actual inaugural flights. I believe they got the authorities all at once, in the same round of awards that included Continental's IAH-NRT. I was living in Texas at the time and remember it being in the news.
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 25):
I thought I remembered them all being launched in one fell swoop, but I might be thinking of the route awards, not the actual inaugural flights. I believe they got the authorities all at once, in the same round of awards that included Continental's IAH-NRT.

You're thinking of late 1997, when the revised U.S.-Japan bilateral simultaneously granted AA rights for ORD-NRT, JFK-NRT, BOS-NRT, and DFW-KIX. The NRT flights were all delayed by the need to find suitable slots first, though, which is why ORD-NRT didn't start until the following year, nor DFW-KIX, and JFK-NRT didn't happen until post-9/11, when the SEA-NRT flight was cut and the slot moved to JFK. BOS-NRT, obviously, never started after the tech collapse in 1999-2000-2001.
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:46 pm

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 23):
I really thought Thai was long gone before AA started [DFW-NRT].

Like I said, TG is still at DFW in the 9/90 OAG. Everyone agrees AA DFW-NRT started well before that?
 
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:59 pm

Quoting Timz (Reply 3):
They're in the 9/90 OAG and not in the 2/91.

I believe in 1991, TG switched the tag on BKK-NRT-SEA from DFW to YYZ. TG flew BKK-NRT-SEA with a 747 or an MD-11, then flew SEA-YYZ with an A310.

The Seattle Port Authority's 1991 annual report shows a TG MD-11 and A310 parked at adjoining gates at the South Satellite, along with an NW 747-200 and an AA MD-11.
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RE: Thai History At DFW?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:54 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
Japan Airlines, B-747-400

Downgraded to MD-11 prior to them pulling out of DFW...
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