ryanrap1
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Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:50 am

Does anyone know any insight on Mesa Air Groups flight attendant situation. I notice that they are having recruiting sessions weekly, is this because their is a large need to hire flight attendants, or another reason? Anyone with any insight on Mesa?
 
kstatepilot
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:52 am

Well, I can tell you they are quite short on all flight crews right now. I think alot of the F/A's they do have are leaving for other jobs. Mesa has a habit of hiring younger flight attendants that want the glamor. When they find out they actually have to work, alot of them leave...
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:55 am

Is Mesa a good airline to work for, do they have good benefits?
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:57 am

Mesa is always hiring. The F/A turnover rate is fairly high and some don't even make it through the initial class or IOE. Those who do stay are not going to make a lifelong career out of it and will move on in probably a year or 2 so the need to fill those slots and new ones that may come up is an ongoing process. Until some major changes are made at Mesa (getting rid of J.O. and M.L.) the employees will continue to be treated unfairly. The various union reps try to make it better but the upper management does not want to let them have their way. It's really to bad because the employees at Mesa are some of the best it's just that when you have upper management like they do it makes the whole operation look horrible.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:03 am

Quoting Ryanrap1 (Reply 2):
Is Mesa a good airline to work for, do they have good benefits?

What kind of benifits are you looking for? Flying, Healthcare, etc?



I know on the US side you get the US flight benifits ontop of the Mesa flight benifits. If you are employed by Mesa you get free S/A travel on any Mesa flight or any mesa wholly owned airline (Freedom-DL Connection, Mesa-UA/US Express, GO! or Air Midwest-US Express) There is also a nice ID90/ZED package that you can look into if you like to travel. Healthcare is average depending on what package you need so thats a personal choice.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:25 am

My dad had a conversation with a YX FA on a recent flight.

He'd heard some Mesa stories and was interested how she liked it so far (she was new)

FA: I love it! I'm so happy they hired me! They'll hire anyone!
Pa: [laughing] I'm not sure that came out right.
FA: No! Really, they'll hire anyone!
Pa: [still laughing] OK...
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:30 am

Is Mesa going to hire local people for their China operation? I know in Hawaii and the states are in need of help.

chuck
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:37 am

YX is Midwest not Mesa. Are you sure your talking about Mesa (YV)?
 
kstatepilot
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:54 am

About the China (Shinjun Airlines) I know for pilots they are using YV captains, and Chinese first officers. I am sure they will use Chinese F/A's also.

BTW anywhere on Mesa you get US benefits. You only get UA/DL privileges if you fly for one of those airlines. At least that is the way for pilot's
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 7):

My bad, its been a long day. Yes, I meant YV.
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 8):
BTW anywhere on Mesa you get US benefits. You only get UA/DL privileges if you fly for one of those airlines. At least that is the way for pilot's

Incorrect you have to be part of the US system to get the compleat US travel benifits. If you are working under Mesa and are on the UA side you do not get US benifits, the only thing you would get is benifits for any Mesa operated US flight. If you are a Mesa employee and want to fly a UA express flight operated by Mesa you get free S/A travel on the Mesa operated UA flights same with Delta, it would have to be the same thing, a Mesa employee flying on a Freedom/DL Connection flight.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:15 pm

I go for a Mesa Interview tomorrow, and advice, tips, or comments are more than welcomed!
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:16 pm

Being a new flight attendant, what is a likely base for me to be located?
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:35 pm

Quoting Ryanrap1 (Reply 12):
Being a new flight attendant, what is a likely base for me to be located?

I have a friend from HS who is in training right now, and he said his initial bid base city is IAD and then he will likely get transferred to ORD.
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:55 pm

With most of the other regionals and majors hiring, why on earth would anyone want to work for Mesa?? Bottom-of-the-barrel pay and no medical coverage? Not to mention their stellar reputation in the industry.  Yeah sure
Sounds like anyone that wants to work there is a glutton for punishment.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:17 pm

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 10):
Incorrect you have to be part of the US system to get the compleat US travel benifits.

Then how come I fly on the UA system (ORD based) but my parents are going to HNL this month on US? I have the packets sitting right here... At least this is the way for the pilot's

Quoting Drewwright (Reply 14):
Bottom-of-the-barrel pay and no medical coverage?

The medical coverage isn't that bad. The pay is quite a bit more than other regionals flying the same equipment.

Quoting Drewwright (Reply 14):
why on earth would anyone want to work for Mesa??

How about for the people? YV has some of the best people working for them.

Good Luck!! Hope to see you on the line somewhere!!
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:21 pm

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 10):
ncorrect you have to be part of the US system to get the compleat US travel benifits. If you are working under Mesa and are on the UA side you do not get US benifits, the only thing you would get is benifits for any Mesa operated US flight. If you are a Mesa employee and want to fly a UA express flight operated by Mesa you get free S/A travel on the Mesa operated UA flights same with Delta, it would have to be the same thing, a Mesa employee flying on a Freedom/DL Connection flight.

I am a little confused. How do they keep track of these things? For most regional airlines, you can fly trips for just about any carrier. Air Wisconsin during the transition had guys from UA bases flying for US. If crews are needed in other bases, ie a US crew would be needed for a UA trip on the Dash 8, wouldn't they deadhead a dash 8 crew from PHX up to DEN for example to pick up the trip? If you build trips like this, there is no way to keep track of who is who. And if you are a dispatcher, do they only keep you on one desk or do you work flights for everybody. I have a buddy who flies for SkyWest, and he flies only UA trips, but has benefits on both Delta and UA. Why can't mesa do this?

FutureFO, if you are reading this, how do the benefits work at Chautaqua. Do you get benefits on all 6 carriers you are affiliated with, or just who you fly trips for?
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:30 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 16):
Why can't mesa do this?

From what the benefits department told us it is because UA only lets people that actually fly for them to get their benefits. YV is a little different than other regionals. If you are based at ORD, BNA or IAD you only fly UA routes. If you are based in CLT or PHX you only fly US routes. At other regionals (Shuttle for example) my friend is based in IND and flies for both UA and DL on the same day. YV just isn't built that way.

Now if they are short in ORD, they can have a pilot or F/A from CLT or PHX come in for up to a 4 month TDY and augment the crews there.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:11 pm

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 15):
How about for the people? YV has some of the best people working for them

I'm sorry, but it seems every employee at a lousy regional says this. I'm not doubting that there are good people at Mesa, TSA, Lakes, etc., but it seems to be almost an excuse for staying and a justification for putting up with managment's games. Unless you are implying that better places to work have lousy employees (the don't ), this isn't really much of a good reason. Please don't take that as a personal attack; it wasn't intedented as such.
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:53 pm

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 15):
Then how come I fly on the UA system (ORD based) but my parents are going to HNL this month on US? I have the packets sitting right here... At least this is the way for the pilot's

It may be that way for the pilots because they are swapped between systems. I am talking about the CSR's and Ramp employees in the company. The Pilot group has a different set of rules, It is not the same for CSR's and Rampers.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:55 pm

Quoting Ryanrap1 (Reply 12):
Being a new flight attendant, what is a likely base for me to be located?

Depends where they are short. You probably will get IAD on the UA side or maybe JFK on the DL side, it really all depends on what is needed where
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:59 pm

Quoting Drewwright (Reply 14):
no medical coverage?

What are you talking about? They offer Medical Coverage, it is your choice if you want it or not.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:35 pm

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 19):
The Pilot group has a different set of rules, It is not the same for CSR's and Rampers.

Yeah, but a F/A, like the op said, will probably work on both systems.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:40 pm

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 15):
The medical coverage isn't that bad. The pay is quite a bit more than other regionals flying the same equipment.

Can I ask who exactly you would be referring to here?
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:02 pm

If you are appling for a flight attendant job my advice is stay far away from Mesa. I have witnessed a crew doing a stand up having to stay at the airport because Mesa doesn't provide hotels -- at least that is what they said. Mesa FA's start at a VERY low $15 something a flight hour -- you don't have pay protection -- and like so many others have said you don't have a lot of respect from anyone working for Mesa. Go to a mainline carrier like United or US Airways who are hiring. If you want to work for a good regional airline head over to Skywest, Air Wisconsin, Horizon -- Comair is probably getting better -- I don't think I'd go to ASA --- Midwest Airlines was hiring -- try them. But really stay away from Mesa.
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:01 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 24):
Mesa FA's start at a VERY low $15 something a flight hour -- you don't have pay protection

For those of you outside the industry that means ORD FA can expect 75 x 15 - taxes and deductions (does that include uniform @ Mesa?) = your monthly pittance. No (meaningful) cancelation pay means that even if you have a 90 hour line, if the weather is bad you can spend 16 hours at work and still not get a cent. This isn't a worst case hypothetical. I've talked to ORD based guys who have relayed similar situations.

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 24):
Mesa doesn't provide hotels

Hopefuly an actual employee can elaborate, but my understanding is that after a Dallas area TV stations expose Mesa now provides 1 hotel room for the entire crew.... yes thats right, a 4 person mixed sex crew gets to share a room. Sleep well.
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:05 am

Anyone applying for ANY job at Mesa, hasn't done their research.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:15 am

I should have elaborated or at least quoted better. My above hotel comment was directed only at stand-ups (CDOs, high speeds- call them what you will, any overnight less than the FAA mandated 8 hours).
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 25):
Hopefuly an actual employee can elaborate, but my understanding is that after a Dallas area TV stations expose Mesa now provides 1 hotel room for the entire crew.... yes thats right, a 4 person mixed sex crew gets to share a room. Sleep well.

They tried that but it did not get far (Apparently someone didn't read the company policy) and now each member gets their own room, besides it is company policy not to mix males and females in the same hotel room, now if they happen to end up in the same room on their own terms thats their own choice. A simple call to crew tracking requesting a hotel room for a crew member is now taken care of with top priority unlike in the past.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:35 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 28):

Thanks for the update.
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:32 am

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 26):
Anyone applying for ANY job at Mesa, hasn't done their research.

So are you saying that because I went to YV I decided to get $4.00 more per flight hour than Pinnacle. I get to be based where I want. I have the option of living in Hawaii as a base... how many regionals can say that? Majors are hiring out of YV becuase they like people that work hard. How is that for incentive?

BTW: I did have interviews at other airlines, but decided to go with Mesa. Bad choice? I really don't think so. Plus I am on my 3rd month of PAID vacation this year. How many other regionals can say that?
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:39 am

Good lord -- you have drank the kool-aid. Please don't defend Mesa Airlines. There is no work group who has a better contract than any other regional. Go live in HI if you want - you will be poor as dirt. Quality of life plays a HUGE part of where people work. I guess I have to wonder if you went for the sign on bonus --- I understand why Mesa is still in business and can't fault some for working there but please don't even for a second defend their business model of paying people below average wages and treating employee's like crap.
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:14 am

I've bumped into a few fellow F/As that fly for YV or have in the past, and I have yet to hear anything flattering about them at all. If you're looking for an F/A job at a regional, there are so many better choices: ZW, OO, MQ, OH, RW, etc...
I've been at ZW for a little over a year now, I do enjoy it, and though I'm not the best-paid F/A in the world, I do get treated reasonably well, and the people are great to work with, too.  Smile
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:34 pm

Ok for CHQ you get the benefits of the base that you are at. When I was in SDF I got SA)">UA/US/DL/CO. I am now at Republic and I get SA)">F9 and US. I would personally stay away from MESA as they have some of the worst qork rules out there for a regional. Also 8 days off a month. Sorry pal ain't happenin'.
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kstatepilot
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:17 pm

I'm not saying YV is great. I am saying it is better than alot of other regionals. Yes the 8 days off per month is crap. Yes sometimes management takes alot away from you. BUT they don't pay people below average wage.

I have found that you either love Mesa or hate it. The only people that anybody seems to talk to hate it.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 34):
BUT they don't pay people below average wage.

Are you sure you work for Mesa? The pilots at Mesa are drastically underpaid from the Beech 1900 to the CRJ-900 and everything else inbetween. The pay for CSA's and Rampers is worse. The cap is 10.50, that's B.S. no matter how you look at it. If your a supervisor or shift manager you get alittle more but it's certainly not great money.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 35):

If you ignore work rules and only look at hourly rate, Mesa isn't the worst in any category. Reality may be diffrent, but it provides ammunition for aplogists.

I'm not trying to start anything here, best of luck on the new contract; hopefuly the entire regional pilot group will be supporting you.
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 35):

If you ignore work rules and only look at hourly rate, Mesa isn't the worst in any category. Reality may be diffrent, but it provides ammunition for aplogists.

I'm not trying to start anything here, best of luck to the Mesa pilot group on the new contract; hopefuly the entire regional pilot group will be supporting you.
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 34):
I'm not saying YV is great. I am saying it is better than alot of other regionals.

Good one!
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kstatepilot
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:57 am

According to airline pilot central (http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com) pay rates are as follows for F/O 1st year:

YV Jet $22 Prop:$19
AE $24 for both
ASA $19 for both
Republic: $23
OO $19 for all
Comair: 22 for all

So it seems to me that YV is around the middle. I took some of the "better" regionals and compaired them.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:09 am

Express Jet 1st year F/O $23
Express Jet 2nd year F/O $34
Express Jet 18 year F/O $43



Mesa 1st year Jet F/O $22
Mesa 2nd year Jet F/O $29
Mesa 20 year Jet F/O $37



Mesa can do better then those numbers they have published. I am sick of seeing all the money earned wasted on garbage like GO! which hopefully will be gone shortly and wasting more $$$ on bonuses to J.O, M.L and the rest of the clan who have done nothing to improve this airline. Hopefully nobody will become a lifer at YV as this comapny should only be used as a stepping stone to better things.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:27 am

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 6):
Is Mesa going to hire local people for their China operation? I know in Hawaii and the states are in need of help.

chuck



Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 8):
About the China (Shinjun Airlines) I know for pilots they are using YV captains, and Chinese first officers. I am sure they will use Chinese F/A's also.

Actually the Joint Venture between Shenzen Airlines and Mesa Airlines is "Kunpeng Airlines" based in Xi'an for now ZLXY until we get permission to move to PEK. The 3rd A/C arrives Friday and first flight was 9/29/07.

As of now all crew are Chinese, Now Mesa does have in the Contract they would supply 30 something pilots but you know how that goes when they cant even staff the states.

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 34):
I'm not saying YV is great. I am saying it is better than alot of other regionals. Yes the 8 days off per month is crap. Yes sometimes management takes alot away from you. BUT they don't pay people below average wage.

I have found that you either love Mesa or hate it. The only people that anybody seems to talk to hate it.

Amen. You either love it or hate it. I worked at S5 (they paid less and less oportunities) but it was refreshing and all in all I went back to Mesa. Who else can say their regional allowed them to work in Chicago, Honolulu, and Xi'an, China. It is like any other job out there some people dont mind it and some people cant stand it.
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:32 am

Also there is nothing like getting paid block or less. Everyone else pays block or better. So at YV you get paid actual even if it is less than the block time. So there is another difference between the regionals.
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 3):
Mesa is always hiring. The F/A turnover rate is fairly high and some don't even make it through the initial class or IOE. Those who do stay are not going to make a lifelong career out of it and will move on in probably a year or 2 so the need to fill those slots and new ones that may come up is an ongoing process. Until some major changes are made at Mesa (getting rid of J.O. and M.L.) the employees will continue to be treated unfairly. The various union reps try to make it better but the upper management does not want to let them have their way. It's really to bad because the employees at Mesa are some of the best it's just that when you have upper management like they do it makes the whole operation look horrible.

F/A turnover is high at pretty much any regional and YV is no exception. Suffice that we do have our share of F/As with pretty high employee numbers. The working concept of regionals is to get some sort of footing/experience, figure out if you want to pursue what you do for longer and move on to other pastures (not nessicarly greener). Not all employees of YV share the sentiment that their treated unfairly, my understanding is if you work in corporate you do pretty good and that side of the company has some very good people. In the operations dept. (as is in a lot of industries) your task has you turning the gears that make the engine run, so to speak, yet there is little incentive to provide more rewards for your talents. This is what causes such strife in the regional airline industry, when the people who do the work that produces the product that pays the bills, look and see folks in other departments (that play triteary roles in operating an airline) taking home more. You may not like that (and its a bitter lesson I learned outside of YV), but then are you looking to make a career of being a regional pilot/dispatcher/FA/ramper etc. vs. a senior accountant or finance person at a regional, who probably has had several more years of experience under their belt? It is probably not what you want to hear, but in the grand scheme it is how companies play the game.

To say that," JO and Lotz getting the boot," would solve Mesa's problems sounds as if it comes from the envious power brokers at other regionals, most of which are jealous of how JO took the standard regional concept and revolutionized it to the next level. I don't nessicarly agree with every move JO makes, but the man has earned his keep. How many other regionals out there have 3 operating subsidiaries, with one entering an exclusive market (HI) and having a regional partner there to boot? That along with other areas such as an aircraft leasing arm, etc.

To speak of union reps thinking their flock is treated unfairly is a matter of fact. It doesn't matter how well a contract one bargaining unit has, there will always be hotheads out there fanning the flames and pushing for more. These are the same idiots who allow union dues to go to hoisting billboards slamming the company (and executives) who will remember that stunt come negotiation time.

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 8):
About the China (Shinjun Airlines) I know for pilots they are using YV captains, and Chinese first officers. I am sure they will use Chinese F/A's also.

It's true, I don't know why. To have an American pilot driving a plane with a FO and ATC speaking entirely different tongue sounds like a recipe for disaster...

[quote=Ryanrap1,reply=12]Being a new flight attendant, what is a likely base for me to be located?

Any new YV flight crew member can expect IAD or ORD

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 18):
I'm sorry, but it seems every employee at a lousy regional says this. I'm not doubting that there are good people at Mesa, TSA, Lakes, etc.,

Not every employee says or agrees with that. In my department we have some very good A+ dispatchers and others that make one wonder how they ever got out of dispatch school.

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 24):
If you want to work for a good regional airline head over to Skywest, Air Wisconsin, Horizon -- Comair is probably getting better -- I don't think I'd go to ASA ---

SW agreed; OO/EV/ZW denied

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 26):
Anyone applying for ANY job at Mesa, hasn't done their research.

Complete Bull S---

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 30):
So are you saying that because I went to YV I decided to get $4.00 more per flight hour than Pinnacle. I get to be based where I want. I have the option of living in Hawaii as a base... how many regionals can say that? Majors are hiring out of YV because they like people that work hard. How is that for incentive?

BTW: I did have interviews at other airlines, but decided to go with Mesa. Bad choice? I really don't think so. Plus I am on my 3rd month of PAID vacation this year. How many other regionals can say that?

Of the two regionals I worked for YV has furnished me with far stellar pay/office layout/co-workers (generally)/scheudle/etc.etc. than those pieces of shit at 9E ever could provide anyone!

Quoting Apodino (Reply 16):
And if you are a dispatcher, do they only keep you on one desk or do you work flights for everybody

The desk are broke down with the UA fleet and US fleet on separate desk.
In general new dispatchers can expect the joys of working UA and all the baggage that comes with it while more senior folks enjoy working majority west coast flights with few ATC/WX/Crew/Station issues.
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting Dsuairptman (Reply 43):
Any new YV flight crew member can expect IAD or ORD

Actually I have people in my class (we haven't started sim yet) that have all ready been assigned to all the bases. I have and want ORD for now. However the person right ahead of me in seniority has PHX, we have one guy in HNL now.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:14 am

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 39):
According to airline pilot central (http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com) pay rates are as follows for F/O 1st year:

YV Jet $22 Prop:$19
AE $24 for both
ASA $19 for both
Republic: $23
OO $19 for all
Comair: 22 for all

So it seems to me that YV is around the middle. I took some of the "better" regionals and compaired them.

Hourly rate is only a small part of the pay picture. Duty rigs, trip rigs, and minimum daily guarantees do more to increase pay and QOL than an extra couple bucks an hour. The rigs and daily guarantees in the contract at my regional will probably get me around 200 hours of credit this year that I wouldn't get at Mesa. Your hourly rate may be higher than a SkyWest pilot, but the OO pilot will make more, as will pilots at Comair, Republic, Eagle, Horizon, Air Whiskey, and ASA once their TA is approved. Mesa compensation really is the bottom of the barrel as far as large regionals go.

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 34):
I'm not saying YV is great. I am saying it is better than alot of other regionals.

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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:29 am

Quoting Dsuairptman (Reply 43):
The desk are broke down with the UA fleet and US fleet on separate desk.
In general new dispatchers can expect the joys of working UA and all the baggage that comes with it while more senior folks enjoy working majority west coast flights with few ATC/WX/Crew/Station issues.

Thats interesting, because Air WIsconsin only bids days off and evening or morning shift. When Air Wisconsin had both United Flying and USAirways flying, you didn't get to pick which desk you worked by seniority, the schedules are built so you rotate among all the desks.

Currently the desks are divided by tail numbers, and there is no such thing as hub desks. So you could have 4 planes in PHL, 4 in DCA, 2 in LGA, and 2 in BOS on one desk. It seems to be the best way to balance the workload, plus since you keep the same airplanes all day, you are familiar with all the MEL issues and stuff, which is important because some CRJ MELS can be tricky.

As far as Mesa goes, why can't they adopt a schedule like Air Wisconsin, so that everyone gets a chance at United one week? I know all about seniority, but if I am running a dispatch office, I want my most experienced dispatchers dispatching the ORD and LGA's of the world, where as with PHX and CLT, its much easier for a new dispatcher to get experience without having to worry about much. This is another thing I hate about seniority. No wonder I have heard nothing but bad things from guys who used to work there.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:58 am

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 34):
I am saying it is better than alot of other regionals. Yes the 8 days off per month is crap. Yes sometimes management takes alot away from you. BUT they don't pay people below average wage.

You just listed three reason why they DO suck. Mesa has something like 60% working APU's on their regional jets. They are a rag tag airline, and if you want to get to your destination on time AVOID THEM! Most of their F/A's are over 50, or overweight.

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 34):
I have found that you either love Mesa or hate it. The only people that anybody seems to talk to hate it.

What are you on matey!? Ever think that everyone hates it, hence why anyone you talk to hates it??
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting Dsuairptman (Reply 43):
Complete Bull S---

You sound like a disgruntled Mesa employee to me, or just naive.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines Flight Attendants

Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:12 pm

Here at Republic, we keep hearing from all the LAMA's about how Republic "is better than it was at Mesa." It is a detriment to the growth and improvement of decent regionals if you keep getting people who are happy with what they have because "it's better than Mesa." I don't want to be compared to Mesa or Gojets. The goal is to be more like a major airline.

I have no sympathy when I taxi by the penalty box in ORD, seeing a Gojet or Mesa plane, knowing the crew is working for free. They knew what they were getting into when they applied for the job.

In my opinion, I think the only reason Mesa started operations in HI and China is because they knew they had an uncompetitive product in the current US environment, so they were forced to go elsewhere. No-one would ever choose Mesa on product alone. It's always been a price thing.

I guess we'll see what changes will have to happen at Mesa once they are forced to pay the $170 million lawsuit.
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