Danny
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Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:45 am

845 orders per September spreadsheet.
http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre/#

Already firmed in October:
Tiger Airways 30*A320
US Airways 92 frames (A320, 330, 350XWB)
Wizzair 50*A320

Total 1017

Congratulations!

[Edited 2007-10-10 01:52:50]
 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:51 am

Congratulatins especially on a getting a new A380 customer hope some more A350 orders will follow !!!
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:14 am

That's gross, not net.

The US order, for example, is 72 net frames, not 92. September's net total was 791, not 845. That makes 791+72+30+50= 943 net orders, assuming the Wizz order is actually firm.

That's still amazing!
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:21 am

Stunning!

665 Narrowbodies
352 Widebodies
 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:26 am

Well, even after deducting the cancellations and previous signed orders from the total number, Airbus should be pretty close to the 1000 mark now, and there are still 2 and a half month to go, in which it is said several large orders are still pending!

If Airbus secures half of them, 2007 could turn out to be their best year EVER, also on the WB front!

Talking about coming back stronger than ever...
 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:26 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
That's gross, not net.

Not to mention half of them was given away for free  Wink
 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:28 am

100 A350s for EK would definitely be the icing on the cake  bigthumbsup   stirthepot 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:33 am

WOW not bad. And still 2 months to go.  Smile
 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:46 am

The rate Airbus and Boeing are getting orders is just unbelievable.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 6):
100 A350s for EK would definitely be the icing on the cake

Indeed, that would make more then 400 widebody orders for Airbus a new record. When will the EK competition end? I'm not sure but believe end october?
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:59 am

Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 8):
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 6):
100 A350s for EK would definitely be the icing on the cake

Indeed, that would make more then 400 widebody orders for Airbus a new record. When will the EK competition end? I'm not sure but believe end october?

Who knows... first they say the order will be announced in 2008, then they say end of 2007, then they say Dubai Air Show...
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:19 am

Quoting Chiad (Reply 3):
Stunning!

665 Narrowbodies
352 Widebodies

And apart from Paris, historically, they still have the busiest part of their usual year to come.  yes 

A few more 380s and JLs cup will be flowing over. Now to build the b*****s!

Still, our very own (Aus) ABC has been assuring us on the Radio news, that QF has ordered 20 A380s and they will be delivered in June 2008 - not one but 20 according to them! So who knows what Airbus might be capable of!  angel   angel  Just wish the ABC were correct. Probably so does QF.

It is also noticeable that far from fading away in the widebody field, Airbus must be having a record widebody year? I would look up the Airbus table, but my browser is not feeling well after having to fight with a.net. But that has to be about right. And the 330 is having a record year.

The only shadow on the horizon at present seems to be the rise and rise of the Euro - but that leaves the Eurozone sharing the same problems as a few other parts of the world! And quite a few of the bits are from USD areas.
 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:24 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
assuming the Wizz order is actually firm.

it's a firm order. confirmation on AFP news.
 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:37 pm

Congrats to Airbus. Looks like another tight race for the title of sales king this year, since Boeing also has several outstanding large orders.
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:39 pm

Absolutely stunning, especially the WB orders. Good job to Airbus, especially given that the WB orders are a nice spread of A330, A350 and A380, and not centered on only one type.

A320 sales, while stunningly strong, are slowing down a bit. Till when are slots sold out?
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:32 pm

It's good to see growth in the aviation industry and continued strong orders. That's good for all of aviation. I may be biased (for good reason) towards their competitor, but congratulations to Airbus.

Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 1):
A320 sales, while stunningly strong, are slowing down a bit. Till when are slots sold out?

I've heard it's sold out past 2010, but it's a vague number. Production numbers could change as Airbus is attempting to increase A320 production. Also, airpalnes are not ordered sequentially, so there are slots available to certain customers and some dates that are probably not firmed up before then.
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:41 pm

The amazing run continues for another year (for both A & B). I didn't think we'd see this for a 3rd year in a row, but there it is nevertheless. Good times for the industry at least on the manufacturers' side. This ordering boom can't last forever, but the backlogs may tide both companies over during any upcoming downturn in the cycle. I hope so for the job security of our colleauges at both A & B.
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:42 pm

Quoting Danny (Thread starter):

Title is mis-leading... These are NET orders... What did they sold 300+ frames in 1day?

Airbus Net Orders: 797.
Boeing Net Orders: 893.

(through 9 months ending Sept 30, 2007)

http://dm.airliners.net/discussions/...eneral_aviation/read.main/3647223/
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:50 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 16):
This ordering boom can't last forever, but the backlogs may tide both companies over during any upcoming downturn in the cycle. I hope so for the job security of our colleagues at both A & B.

You would think that 80 dollar oil would have slowed orders. But the ABC Lateline Business commenting on the strength of the Qantas price opined that with some phrase like the moderation in the price of oil, the outlook was excellent. I guess Aus is a bit different as our rising dollar has been beneficial for oil priced in USD.
 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:29 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 17):
Quoting Danny (Thread starter):

Title is mis-leading... These are NET orders... What did they sold 300+ frames in 1day?

Airbus Net Orders: 797.
Boeing Net Orders: 893.

(through 9 months ending Sept 30, 2007)

we are talking about today's 2007 orders. title is not misleading..
 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:32 pm

Wierd, my post got put in a different thread. Well, While it's not net orders, they're damn close to getting 1000, so congrats A!

[Edited 2007-10-10 09:35:52]
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:36 pm

Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 14):
A320 sales, while stunningly strong, are slowing down a bit

 biggrin 

Made me smile, this one, CC.

Comes to something when 650 orders in 9 months is a "slowdown", doesn't it?  Smile
Absolutely awesome!
It seems that every time they up the production rate, the backlog INCREASES.........

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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:41 pm

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 22):
Comes to something when 650 orders in 9 months is a "slowdown", doesn't it?

ROFL. No slowdown. They should book 900 or so by yearend.

And the 737NG will once again fall behind, as more new carriers choose the A320.

Despite the very strong overall sales in the world, this must be a concern for Boeing and it's why I think 737RS is moving along faster than some believe.

The future growth is in 125-300 seats, and Boeing wants to be a leader in that market. Right now Airbus is the leader in the narrowbody, and the "old" A330 is holding up against the 787 well enough, with the smaller A350 also garnering orders.
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:59 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 17):

Title is mis-leading... These are NET orders... What did they sold 300+ frames in 1day?

Airbus Net Orders: 797.

Title is correct. Airbus received more than a 1000 orders in 2007.

At least 172 frames were firmed so far in October.
 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:05 pm

Does this 1000 firm orders for 2007, include the 50 A320's Wizzair the Central European LCC has annouced today?

Just curious, as this could add even more... Also how does it compare to Boeing?

Im not in anyway saying the information in this thread is not true, but is there any offical announcement or news article confirming this? A link would be cool!
 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:36 pm

What is amazing is not that Airbus, or Boeing have already sold 800+ and 900+ airplanes this year. It is the fact the the two airplane manufacturing giants have sold a combined 5500+ airplanes over the last 3 years.

Congrads to Boeing

Congrads to Airbus

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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:55 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 13):
What is amazing is not that Airbus, or Boeing have already sold 800+ and 900+ airplanes this year. It is the fact the the two airplane manufacturing giants have sold a combined 5500+ airplanes over the last 3 years.

Indeed! And 5500 aeroplanes means +/- 60 000 pilots to fly them. Granted many of these won't be new, but it's still good news for the training industry - and the new guys graduating.

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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:44 pm

Great to see the industry so healthy these days.
 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:25 pm

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 9):
Comes to something when 650 orders in 9 months is a "slowdown", doesn't it?

Sorry, bad choice of words. My premise was based on the 737NG outselling (so far) the A320 for the second year in a row. Hence my question on slots - I was wondering whether or not slot availability was starting to affect sales.

Regardless, absolutely stunning to see wide body sales surpassing Airbus record levels by far.
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:05 pm

Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 29):
My premise was based on the 737NG outselling (so far) the A320 for the second year in a row.

As of Airbus's end of September figures (just released), it isn't. Add 60 for US, 50 for Wizz, 30 for Tiger, 20 for Vietnam and the A320 family is pulling well ahead.

I see no slowdown!
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:24 pm

Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 16):
Sorry, bad choice of words. My premise was based on the 737NG outselling (so far) the A320 for the second year in a row

?????
Isn't the 737 around 500 orders year-to-date?
I'll stand corrected.....  Smile

In any event, no apology required.
We must be approaching the point where the manufacturers could do with a bit of "slowess" creeping into the market...
With these recent orders, I make the A32X backlog now approaching 2400 frames  Wow!

What are we at now? 266 A32X deliveries in 9 months?
That's an average of 30 per month. 6 1/2 year's backlog.... scratchchin 
Even at 40 frames a month max (bearing in mind holiday months won't achieve this..), that's still well over 5 year's backlog..

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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:46 pm

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 17):
A32X backlog now approaching 2400 frames

What are we at now? 266 A32X deliveries in 9 months?
That's an average of 30 per month. 6 1/2 year's backlog....
Even at 40 frames a month max (bearing in mind holiday months won't achieve this..), that's still well over 5 year's backlog..

32x output rate is said to be 32/month these days. Is planned to accelerate to 36/month from early 2009.

40/month will not be achieved until China assembly plant is fully online which is at least a few years out in the future.
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 4):
Title is mis-leading... These are NET orders... What did they sold 300+ frames in 1day?

Airbus Net Orders: 797.
Boeing Net Orders: 893.

(through 9 months ending Sept 30, 2007)

Unless we're going to go back and subtract out the canceled orders from the last couple years, net orders are the most accurate. Otherwise, canceling old orders and booking replacements it allows them effectively count some orders twice.
 
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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:39 am

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 18):
32x output rate is said to be 32/month these days. Is planned to accelerate to 36/month from early 2009.

 checkmark 

But there will still be months in the year when they don't hit these numbers (i.e. when holidays/Christmas) interfere with flat-out production.
Hence 32 per month might lead to c. 360-370 deliveries in a year.
I don't expect Airbus to hit 384 A32X deliveries this year......

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RE: Airbus Breaks 1000 Firm Orders In 2007.

Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:39 am

Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 15):
Sorry, bad choice of words. My premise was based on the 737NG outselling (so far) the A320 for the second year in a row. Hence my question on slots - I was wondering whether or not slot availability was starting to affect sales.

From the orders thread:

Quoting Azhobo (Reply 145):
Total aircraft net orders for the year this week - 10/09/07:

Single-aisle: B737=486 , A320=524
Twin-aisle: B767=36, A330=150
Next-gen twin: B787=262, A350=126
Large twin: B777=103, A340= -8
Very large: B747=6 A380= -1

Total Net:

BOEING=893
AIRBUS=791

Includes Airbus September orders.

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