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New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:38 pm

I'm curious to know if anyone has seen a website or any news information on a new start up in the US using the name "Eastern" or "New Eastern" - I was interested in reading what their business plans, anticipated routes etc are.

Any information gratefully received.
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:56 pm

Are you sure its a new airline? I heard that Colgan airlines is changing their callsign to "Eastern." Maybe this is the case?
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:05 pm

I remember reading in Airliners magazine many years ago that there was to be a new Eastern with 757s Ithink, but nothing ever came of this. Could this be the same?
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:11 pm

I think Pan Am 2 (circa 1996) was originally going to be Eastern 2 until Marty Shugrue had a change of plans.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:15 pm

There is a new Eastern. Itr is headed up by Joe Leonard, and they remade it into an LCC called AirTran.
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:56 pm

Eastern Airlines had operated a B737-800 wet-leased from Xtra Airways on services out of Bellingham, Washington for some time in 2006 until I believe mid-2007 until they were forced to suspend operations. One of the Xtra 738s that operates for Myrtle Beach DirectAir now still has the basic Eastern livery.
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:02 pm

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 5):
Eastern Airlines had operated a B737-800 wet-leased from Xtra Airways

Whoops! Wrong direction on the compass! That was a reincarnation of WESTERN (the airline bought out by Delta in the 1980's).
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:33 pm

You are right ... obviously. I guess I should get some more sleep ...  Smile.
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:27 pm

Quoting Flyby519 (Reply 1):
Are you sure its a new airline? I heard that Colgan airlines is changing their callsign to "Eastern." Maybe this is the case?

Hard to believe, called my friend a pilot at Colgan and he knows nothing of it. And why would they switch from Colgan to Eastern. Sounds a little off to me.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:29 pm

I guess technically Air Tran is liek the "new eastern" in route structure in some ways....in fact back in 1993 before ValuJet took off, one of the names being floated was New Eastern...a lot of FL employees are ex-EA
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:50 pm

I remember reading something like that in Airliners magazine within the past year. It was an interview I believe with someone once involved in Eastern and he bought the rights to the name but never said it was a possibility he might resurrect the name but never mentioned any aircraft type.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:06 pm

There is a new Eastern in the works. A friend of mine had lunch with a consultant for the new Eastern. Obviously, he couldn't reveal too much but did say the new Eastern would be based out of MIA and would offer low fare, high quality service (like Virgin America) to South and Central America, the Caribbean, and various cities throughout North America. No A/C type was mentioned nor a start up date (but certainly within the next year or two). The individuals who had this conversation have unquestionable credibility. Take it for what it's worth.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 11):
There is a new Eastern in the works.

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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:22 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
I think Pan Am 2 (circa 1996) was originally going to be Eastern 2 until Marty Shugrue had a change of plans.

Until the stress killed him, that is.
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:42 am

I hope so. I was an ex-Eastern employee based at CCS. There will never be another airline like EA. Big family, great service on board, they always look after their employees, What else can I say? I will be so happy to see them back at CCS.

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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:25 am

Quoting BA747 (Reply 14):
I hope so. I was an ex-Eastern employee based at CCS. There will never be another airline like EA. Big family, great service on board, they always look after their employees, What else can I say? I will be so happy to see them back at CCS.

Do you remember number of flights, frequencies, equipment Eastern used to operate into CCS? in which years? any pictures?
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:41 am

Quoting BA747 (Reply 14):
I hope so. I was an ex-Eastern employee based at CCS. There will never be another airline like EA. Big family, great service on board, they always look after their employees, What else can I say? I will be so happy to see them back at CCS.

Sadly, I fear that there will be fewer and fewer US carriers serving CCS due to the current political climate between the Venezuelan and American governments.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:02 am

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 11):
There is a new Eastern in the works. A friend of mine had lunch with a consultant for the new Eastern. Obviously, he couldn't reveal too much but did say the new Eastern would be based out of MIA and would offer low fare, high quality service (like Virgin America) to South and Central America, the Caribbean, and various cities throughout North America. No A/C type was mentioned nor a start up date (but certainly within the next year or two). The individuals who had this conversation have unquestionable credibility. Take it for what it's worth.

I don't think there is much gate space available in MIA, unless
the expansion will free up some old gate space.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:58 pm

AA will fight this Eastern entity tooth and nail. Hope it works out for them.

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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:25 pm

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 19):
AA will fight this Eastern entity tooth and nail. Hope it works out for them.

Who is them? AA or Eastern?
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:06 pm

Does any corporate entities still own the old Eastern name or logo?
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 20):
Does any corporate entities still own the old Eastern name or logo?

I found this on the United States Patent and Trademark website.


Owner (REGISTRANT) Eastern Air Lines, Inc. CORPORATION DELAWARE 10 Rockefeller Plz. New York NEW YORK 10020

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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:20 pm

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 17):
I don't think there is much gate space available in MIA, unless
the expansion will free up some old gate space.

At the moment there is less than there used to be due to AA now using the "high numbered" "E" gates, but that's only going to last a year or two until they finally finish the construction on the new north terminal "D" gates.

But, there is plenty of space available in F, G, H.... and of course that brand new, billion dollar south terminal ("J???") complex.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:25 am

Quoting Ogre727 (Reply 15):
Do you remember number of flights, frequencies, equipment Eastern used to operate into CCS? in which years? any pictures?

Yes I do, One flight a day daily on a 727-200. Flight number was EA 902 CCS/MIA EA 903 back
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:36 am

Wasn't Peter Uberoth involved in Eastern at some point during the strike of 1989?
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:22 am

Quoting 7e72004 (Reply 27):
Wasn't Peter Uberoth involved in Eastern at some point during the strike of 1989?

He was part of an investor group that tried to by Eastern but was rebuffed because of (no surprise here) the unions.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...950DE6D9153EF930A25757C0A96F948260

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 24):

Owner (REGISTRANT) Eastern Air Lines, Inc. CORPORATION DELAWARE 10 Rockefeller Plz. New York NEW YORK 10020

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That's actually the address of Eastern Air Lines HQ in NYC; 10 Rockefeller Plaza used to be called the Eastern Airlines Building . What's interesting is that the trademark was renewed back in 2005. Does anyone know if the CH 7. docket on Eastern is still open? That could explain why the trademark was renewed.

There's some guy out of State College, PA who holds the copyright to Eastern Airlines. This same person holds the copyright to the old Eastern "bird in circle" logo as well.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:32 am

I would be nice to see Eastern Airlines (new) come back. But, using MIA as their home hub is suicide before they even get this off the paper. AA will not alow anyone to walk in and start flying with out a fight..... I hope it is turn, but hard to believe.

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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:50 am

Colgan is not changing their callsign to 'Eastern'. However, Colgan refers to their US Express operation as 'East' and their CO Connection operation as 'West'. Perhaps that is the basis for the confusion.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:48 pm

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 26):
I would be nice to see Eastern Airlines (new) come back. But, using MIA as their home hub is suicide before they even get this off the paper. AA will not alow anyone to walk in and start flying with out a fight..... I hope it is turn, but hard to believe.

True, they should base themselves further north - FLL, PBI, TPA, MCO etc.

PBI might not be a bad idea, if fares are low enough people will drive from the Miami area to fly them to South America.

MCO would be great domestically for low cost, though they are going to have a tough fight with Southwest - but Eastern could once again be the official carrier of Disney World.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:17 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 28):
MCO would be great domestically for low cost, though they are going to have a tough fight with Southwest - but Eastern could once again be the official carrier of Disney World.

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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:47 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 28):
Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 26):
I would be nice to see Eastern Airlines (new) come back. But, using MIA as their home hub is suicide before they even get this off the paper. AA will not alow anyone to walk in and start flying with out a fight..... I hope it is turn, but hard to believe.

True, they should base themselves further north - FLL, PBI, TPA, MCO etc.

PBI might not be a bad idea, if fares are low enough people will drive from the Miami area to fly them to South America.

MCO would be great domestically for low cost, though they are going to have a tough fight with Southwest - but Eastern could once again be the official carrier of Disney World.

MIA would be the best choice if this hypothetical airline ever gets off the ground (it won't, if it even exists). TPA and PBI don't offer the mass traffic to Latin America, and people will not drive what can be up to two hours in traffic to catch a 2-3 hour flight to Latin America. MCO is way uber-competitive; FLL is too crowded. MIA might be an AA hub, but there is room for a second airline to hub. And, right now, AA can't properly respond, and they won't be able to for 2-3 years, because they don't have aircraft to expand. They can only react by pricing, like they have with Spirit, but not by adding capacity. If this hypothetical airline were to follow the Virgin America model - which is a regular-fare, premium service model, not a low-fare one - then AA wouldn't be as threatening.
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:30 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 28):
True, they should base themselves further north - FLL, PBI, TPA, MCO etc.

PBI might not be a bad idea, if fares are low enough people will drive from the Miami area to fly them to South America.

MCO would be great domestically for low cost, though they are going to have a tough fight with Southwest - but Eastern could once again be the official carrier of Disney World.

Might make sense to fly into MIA or FLL and hub at MCO(what kind of gate availability does MCO have now)? If PBI is willing to make the cost consessions for landing fees, they would be attractive. However, if Eastern is going to find to Latin America, might I assume that they would want to be closer to the latino base closer to the City of Miami?

Southwest, Airtran don't fly internationally yet(although Airtran has its partnership with several airlines that do go international) and Delta flies internationally from Atlanta, so it might be a good plan to head south from MCO.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:55 pm

I remember reading something about a new Eastern Airlines back in the early 90s. The rumor was that it would be based or at least fly into Birmingham. I can not remember the paper whether Huntsville or Birmingham but have always wondered about these dreams and what makes them so news worthy. I doubt it made many other news markets.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:44 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 28):
MCO would be great domestically for low cost, though they are going to have a tough fight with Southwest - but Eastern could once again be the official carrier of Disney World.

If they fly routes from MCO to Latin America that would be an underserved market they could capitalize on. An existing and still growing market current airlines are ignoring.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:45 pm

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
There is a new Eastern. Itr is headed up by Joe Leonard, and they remade it into an LCC called AirTran.

Air Tran Airways was started by the former CEO of Mesaba Aviation, Robert Swenson, Back in 1989, when I applied to work for Mesaba, the compnay was called Mesaba Aviaiton an AirTran company.
When Swenson wanted to start his discount airline out of Orlando with 737s, NWA objected as it would violate some pilot contract with NW as the Air Tran sector of the company might take pilots from the Mesaba operation. It was soemthing along those lines....Please correct me if I am wrong....

It would be nice to see Eastern flying again....Id alos like to see Braniff come back, but with a slow and deliberate expansion, not one where you open a couple new station every other week......

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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:59 pm

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 34):

Cough Valujet Cough

It was the merger of Valujet and AirTran that really helped to reshape the airline into what has become the spiritual successor to Eastern, at least to folks in Atlanta. There are employees in pretty much every department that worked for Eastern at some point. Some of the most senior rampers when I worked there were ex-Eastern employees that had been with AirTran pretty much since the launch of Valujet.

While AirTran's operations @ ATL are still smaller than Eastern's was at their height, that's something that 7-10 years down the road will probably not be the case.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 25):
There's some guy out of State College, PA who holds the copyright to Eastern Airlines. This same person holds the copyright to the old Eastern "bird in circle" logo as well.

Who is this individual, and how do I go about contacting him to take these off his hands?  Smile
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 35):
While AirTran's operations @ ATL are still smaller than Eastern's was at their height, that's something that 7-10 years down the road will probably not be the case.

If they can find the room. Isn't that why they were deffering orders also?
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:57 am

Quoting Lrdc9 (Reply 37):
If they can find the room. Isn't that why they were deffering orders also?

7-10 years down the road is a potential time table for the South Passenger Terminal @ ATL being built. It is pretty much assumed that they will be the primary tenant of the facility. They deferred orders because they decided to slow down their expansion plans. The gate situation @ ATL may have played a role in this, as evidenced by the amount of non-ATL routes they've started in recent years. They also didn't count on one of the Big Six airlines that was in CH. 11 to survive and that one of the others would be resurgent despite downgrading their domestic network.
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
MIA would be the best choice if this hypothetical airline ever gets off the ground (it won't, if it even exists).



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
If this hypothetical airline were to follow

You mean the new Eastern Airlines, the old original one or both and why hypothetical?

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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:45 am

Whatever the case is there is plenty of room for a domestic/slash intl startup carrier at MIA....Concourse F is emptying out fairly quickly now as an example.

The supposed description seems quite similar to Spirits route structure......sure is a 'coincidence'....huh?

With no real LCC competition at MIA, unlike the swarm at FLL, that would bode well for at least the initial if it would be started fairly quickly.

I also had thought that the EAL corp was still functioning on a extremely limited basis as well......and I have to admit my first thought was that "Eastern" could be a fake name to mask temporarily a move by an existing carrier.

[Edited 2007-10-18 18:47:40]
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:06 am

A new Eastern would be a welcome sight, as long as they bring back 727-200's in the classic paint scheme, ala the new Pan Am. A new Eastern with 737NG's or A320's would not seem right.  Smile
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:11 am

WHat about a 737 or A320 in the old colors?  Smile

Does anyone remember when Midway #1 tried to set up shop in PHL by buying 16 aircraft and use of the 8 gates?
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:56 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 36):
Who is this individual, and how do I go about contacting him to take these off his hands?

I did some searching and googleing.

The current owner of the Eastern Airlines trademark is (according to the patent office website), an individual who is a major stockholder in the Governer's Harbor Resort and Marina in the Bahamas.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=bc2d96.2.1

and

http://www.thebahamasinvestor.com/features/eleuthera-bahamas.php
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:31 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
If this hypothetical airline were to follow the Virgin America model - which is a regular-fare, premium service model, not a low-fare one -

Virgin America is indeed a low cost, low fare airline...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_America

Virgin America is a U.S. based low-cost airline that began service on 8 August 2007. The airline's stated aim is to provide low-fare, high-quality service for "long-haul point-to-point service between major metropolitan cities on the Eastern and West Coast seaboards".

http://www.boston.com/business/globe...rgin_america_expects_profit_by_09/

CHICAGO -- Virgin America Inc., the low-fare carrier partly owned by UK billionaire Richard Branson that began flying yesterday, will be profitable within two years, said Robert Nisi
 
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RE: New Eastern Airlines - Any Info Available?

Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:34 am

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 44):

Virgin America is indeed a low cost, low fare airline...

For marketing purposes only.
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