CDG
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AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:22 pm

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2007/10/c2222.html

AC 386 YYZ-MAD 9:30pm - 10:55am 763
AC 387 MAD-YYZ 12:30am - 3:05pm 763

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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:45 pm

Interesting, very interesting...

From not to have any scheduled flight between Spain and Canada until 2006 to will have two airlines competing in this route (Air Transat and Air Canada).

If I don't remember bad, Air Canada used to operate 763 equipment to Madrid in 2003 or 2004  Confused but left the route due to low demand on it.

And Iberia, I remember to operate scheduled flights to YMQ with D10 aircrafts and the route was abandoned due the same reason.

Has anyone the load factors of Air Transat flights from AGP, BCN and MAD to Canada of this summer? Are a profitable route?

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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:49 pm

hmmm is AC abandoning its flight numbering scheme? 300 series flights were for US flights?

And IB operated DC-8s, later DC-10s (and even 747s) into YYZ for years, dropped in the mid 90s.
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:06 pm

He just typed it wrong....the flight numbers are 836 and 837..
 
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:09 pm

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 1):
From not to have any scheduled flight between Spain and Canada until 2006 to will have two airlines competing in this route (Air Transat and Air Canada).

Might even be three airlines sometime soon, at least if IB makes good of its plan to fly to YYZ in 2009. I trust AC did its homework before deciding to reintroduce the route.
 
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:15 pm

Quoting WonderFan (Reply 4):

Might even be three airlines sometime soon, at least if IB makes good of its plan to fly to YYZ in 2009. I trust AC did its homework before deciding to reintroduce the route.

I think they did. The last time AC flew this route was under its pre-bankruptcy cost structure, and when it was burdened by the SARS outbreak. Spain has a strong economy, there is a lot of Canadian investment going into that country's alternate energy sector - including manufacturing for solar projects - and Spanair gives AC access to secondary Spanish destinations. It wouldn't surprise me if the route does passably well this time.
 
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:26 pm

Quoting YHZ (Reply 3):
He just typed it wrong....the flight numbers are 836 and 837..

Sorry for that !! it's indeed AC 836 & AC 837

Thanks for correcting !
 
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:39 pm

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 1):
Air Canada used to operate 763 equipment to Madrid in 2003 or 2004 but left the route due to low demand on it.

Not low demand, it was low yield. These flights always had high load factors.
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:56 pm

On the other side AC will pull out of Manchester, seasonal YYZ-MAN service is not coming back in 2008.
 
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:06 pm

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 2):
And IB operated DC-8s, later DC-10s (and even 747s) into YYZ for years, dropped in the mid 90s.

As I recall, IB's service to YYZ was fairly brief. They did serve YUL for years, mostly as an intermediate stop to MEX with 5th freedom rights YUL-MEX. At that time I don't think IB had traffic rights for YYZ.
 
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:36 pm

Nothing new. Just bringing back a old route that's been on and off.

Flew on this route back in 2003 and load factors were certainly there, probably was a questioj of yields as FLYACYYZ mentionned. They haven't even changed the flight times or the flight number. Back then in 03, Spanair had just joined Star Alliance. It should be a little better this time.
 
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:37 pm

I don't ever recall IB DC-8's in YYZ. Pretty sure it did not happen, except perhaps as a rare one-off.

IB operated a weekly charter D10 service MAD-Malaga-YYZ in 1989.
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:01 pm

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 2):
hmmm is AC abandoning its flight numbering scheme? 300 series flights were for US flights?

Just been working for this airline for a while and out of lax flight numbers we have 792, 794, 744, 796,790 go to YYZ, 551,553,555,557,559 go to YVR, 571, 573 YYC, 798, 776, 782 YUL

so i really dont think the 300 series is for US flights
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Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:41 pm

Quoting LAXAgent (Reply 12):
so i really dont think the 300 series is for US flights

Numbering systems undergo periodic changes. AC mainline flights to DCA and BOS currently utilize '300' series flights. DCA flights when launched were '500' series, and BOS flights were '800' series for years.
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:44 pm

Quoting LAXAgent (Reply 12):
so i really dont think the 300 series is for US flights

AC operates a relatively extensive network to the U.S., so one hundred possible flight numbers would never cover it. Read the following:

Quoting CDG (Reply 6):

Sorry for that !! it's indeed AC 836 & AC 837

300s, 500s, 700s, and early 1000s are all for U.S. flights.
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:53 pm

Quoting Acey (Reply 14):
300s, 500s, 700s, and early 1000s are all for U.S. flights.

There still some Florida flights in the 900s too...

But yes, i didn't mean 300 flights are the ONLY US flights, i meant that 300 were used for some US flights...

Basically:

000-099= Asia/Oceania/South America
100-299= domestic
300-399= US
400-499= domestic
500-599= US
600-699= domestic
700-799= US
800-899= Europe/Carribean
900-999= US/Carribean
1000-1199= domestic/US
7000-8999= Jazz/Alliance
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:58 pm

Arent the flight numbers AC836 and AC837????

Glad to see this one back in the AC transatl network
 
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:05 am

Hopefully they can tap some of the connecting traffic from latin America, as they were doing reasonably well on building before. Although there is direct service from many many detsiantions in latin america to MAD, if they can offer decent prices they will at least be competitive--especially because of growing disdain for US transit rules and procedures.
 
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:35 am

Quoting Flyyul (Reply 16):
Arent the flight numbers AC836 and AC837????

Yes, as confirmed by

Quoting YHZ (Reply 3):
the flight numbers are 836 and 837.

and

Quoting CDG (Reply 6):
it's indeed AC 836 & AC 837
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RE: AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th

Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:00 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 7):
Not low demand, it was low yield. These flights always had high load factors.

What's the configuration of AC's 763's? How many seats up front?

Quoting CayMan (Reply 17):
Hopefully they can tap some of the connecting traffic from latin America, as they were doing reasonably well on building before. Although there is direct service from many many detsiantions in latin america to MAD, if they can offer decent prices they will at least be competitive--especially because of growing disdain for US transit rules and procedures.

Don't want to disrespect you, but do you really think somebody will connect through YYZ to get to MAD? Are you aware of how small is AC's LatAm network? Can you imagine someone spending a full day at YYZ to connect GRU-YYZ-MAD or CCS-YYZ-MAD with the several nonstop options they have? I can only see MEX as the only LatAm station from where it could make at least some sense to connect at YYZ to MAD, but once again there are plenty of non stop options to Europe. AFAIK, AC's has marketed YYZ as a connecting point from LatAm to Asia (NRT, HKG, PVG, etc).

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 1):
Interesting, very interesting...

As we've discussed in other threads, it would very interesting to see BCN becoming a STAR mini hub, however until now they have been unable to atract STAR carriers other than SQ to go to BCN instead of MAD (TG and now AC to MAD), even though JK offers better connecting options out of BCN.
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