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Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:39 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/11/plane.turkey.ap/index.html

Not said what airline it was, but en route to WAW at the time.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:43 pm

Wow, that sounds as a serious accident, let's hope all on board are fine!
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:48 pm

Sounds like no injuries. While landing the tail hit the runway, and caught fire. Crew and pax fine.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:52 pm

Hopefully everbody is fine and not injured.  Smile  crossfingers 
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:00 pm

A wheels up landing and small fire - potential for great disaster apparently avoided. Certainly the cabin crew did a great job getting the pax off the bird.

We've seen a couple of really good examples of how it's supposed to work with the Air France A340 at Toronto and the China Airlines bird recently. Let's hope total, successful evacuations become more common.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:02 pm

I heard from a friend, there was an electronic fault onboard, and they landed it turned into a fire...
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:31 pm

It looks like everyone is fine. Any idea on carrier and type involved?
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:28 pm

MD-83 and the Egyptian operator is called AMC. Similar aircraft
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1243281/M/

[Edited 2007-10-11 12:33:26]
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:34 pm

Reportedly an Egyptian AMC MD-83 on its way from Egypt to Warsaw, Poland.

http://www.md80.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=3920.0
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:37 pm

AMC is a an Egyptian charter company , it should be this A/C :

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Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:24 pm

Looks like very little fire damage - apparently never got to the cabin.

Good work by the airport teams!!
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:26 pm

wow ... check photos 5 and 21 in the 2nd link above ... nice crease right behind the airline's logo.

Including the (presumbably substantial) damage underneath, it would seem the future is not bright for this old mad dog ...

Just goes to show those MD's are built tough.

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Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:29 pm

Litz, I agree must be a write-off.
Rumors claim 156 onboard and 7 crew, captain Norwegian, A/C and cabin light malfunctioned during flight.

[Edited 2007-10-11 13:44:52]
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:42 pm

I think this is the famous 6/24 at IST. Looks like it will be closed till they move the plane piece by piece. Can anyone at IST confirm? Is it at the same place where the Afghan plane ended up?
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:02 pm

This is a late-built DC-9/MD83 from the mid-90s, not one of the mid-80s examples which grace the deserts and scrapheaps in growing numbers. But still, with a bent fuselage, damaged belly and wings hard to believe that it´ll fly again.
Thank god it was a lucky escape.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:23 pm

Btw, wasn´t sistership SU-BOZ written off in a similar accident last year?

There are no records, no photos of it flying since this event:
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20060623-0

Based on my own experience AMC is an airline that should be avoided. I once (well twice, actually) flew with them on a 732. The airplane was rotten and cramped, bad pilots obviously just out of their Mig´s and virtually no service during 3 1/2 hour flight.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:24 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 14):
I think this is the famous 6/24 at IST. Looks like it will be closed till they move the plane piece by piece. Can anyone at IST confirm? Is it at the same place where the Afghan plane ended up?

It is 36L.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:32 pm

Quoting NA (Reply 16):
Btw, wasn´t sistership SU-BOZ written off in a similar accident last year?

That's correct. SU-BOZ had a rwy overrun in Poznan, Poland in 2005, and a second and final in Juba, Sudan in 2006. The rescue teams reportedly had to clean the area around the wreck from land-mines before salvaging what was left of that MD-83.

As a curiosity, AMC operated many of Swiss Hello's present MD-90's in the late 1990's, as factory-new planes.

See also http://www.md80.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=3042.0
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:34 pm

NA, they claim on their homepage that SU-BOZ is still in service....
http://www.amcairlines.net/OurFleet.aspx

[Edited 2007-10-11 14:38:30]
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:38 pm

Quoting NA (Reply 16):
Based on my own experience AMC is an airline that should be avoided. I once (well twice, actually) flew with them on a 732. The airplane was rotten and cramped, bad pilots obviously just out of their Mig´s and virtually no service during 3 1/2 hour flight

Agreed. I flew ASW-ABS-CAI with them in 97 and it has been the scariest flights in my llife (broken engine, strong smoke odor inside the cabin upon take-off and landings,...)
 
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RE: AMC Airlines In Landing Accident At IST

Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:53 pm

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 19):
NA, they claim on their homepage that SU-BOZ is still in service....
http://www.amcairlines.net/OurFleet.aspx

Thanks for finding this out. But if so, it´s hiding very successfully, flying a remote routing in comparison to the much-photographed sistership SU-BOY which crashlanded today. The fleet-lists on the net have it as "stored".
Seems like the AMC MD-83s favorite route was to fly to Warsaw. but while SU-BOY was shot there frequently over the last year, oddly no trace of SU-BOZ can be found.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:01 pm

AMC has quite a history of incidents. SU-BOY overrun runaway at POZ in 2005
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0829646/L/
Then it overrun again in Sudan in 2006 after which was written off.
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:23 am

Probably an airline that the EU will be adding to its list of banned airlines?
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:47 am

I don't get it....for a fire inside the a/c resulting from a transponder, why did they go off the end, and plus they almost took out the loc!!!!
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Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:48 am

From the condition of wheels and tires that I can see in the pictures it looks like they deployed but were locked up. They are scrapped down until only half is left of both the tire and the wheel and then the gear is broken off and sitting behind the wing.

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Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:19 pm

Glad t hear everyone got out ok.
Looking at the photos its amazing to see that had they continued 5 more meters , they would have hit those lights.
Also am surprized that they posted close ups of the obviously schocked crew.
Are the firemen jumping down the slide for fun??..lol
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Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:32 pm

Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 27):
Are the firemen jumping down the slide for fun?

I am sure they want to check and make sure inside of the plane is "Clear",
but hey why not have some fun at the end. How did they climb aboard is another matter.
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:17 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 28):
I am sure they want to check and make sure inside of the plane is "Clear",
but hey why not have some fun at the end. How did they climb aboard is another matter.

LOL, i always wanted to try to go down one slide.Off course during a happy time and not during a crash
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Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:08 pm

Cool

The Norwegian captain is hailed as a hero  Smile

He apparently put the plane down on the grasfield beside the runway and he kept his calm not alarming the passangers...

The electrical system malfunction and the gear did'nt come out.

The rear of the plane caught fire as they landed

- First the lights went out, then the airconditioning stopped working and it became very hot and humid inside. The crew acted as nothing had happend and informed us about the emergency landing just at the last minute. We had already seen the grasfield then, and understood that we were not going to land on the runway. The captains calm and proffesionel voice was just unbeleavable, says a Plish passanger to Polish TV

The passangers commenting in Polish media has been very aware of commenting on the Norwegain captain.


Here are Norwegian article and pictures:

http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=174218
 
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RE: AMC Airlines In Landing Accident At IST

Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:02 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 30):
- First the lights went out, then the airconditioning stopped working and it became very hot and humid inside. The crew acted as nothing had happend and informed us about the emergency landing just at the last minute. We had already seen the grasfield then, and understood that we were not going to land on the runway. The captains calm and proffesionel voice was just unbeleavable, says a Plish passanger to Polish TV

Turkish newspapers tell the story as: all of the navigational instruments blacked out, including the transponder, the pilot followed other planes to find the descent path (air was cloudy) and used the emergency radio to contact the ATC and ATC identified his position by contacting another airplane that he had described. The flaps also did not deploy and due to landing speed the landing gear collapsed.

12 slightly injured passengers, who are still in IST, others have been flown to Poland as of 08.00 AM yesterday.

How is it possible that such a massive electrical blackout occurs?

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Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:20 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 30):
The electrical system malfunction and the gear did'nt come out.

Looks like it came out--it had to have, before getting ripped off the aircraft itself...
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Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:55 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 30):
He apparently put the plane down on the grasfield beside the runway and he kept his calm not alarming the passangers...

ooooo no way bro....there is a massive 12 foot wall next to 36L and NO grass, and a parallel runway to the other side...i highly doubt he landed anywhere but the runway, impossible in IST....plus look at the localizer at the end of the runway...it means he was lined up with the runway...  Smile
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Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:27 am

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Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:42 am

So sad to see another MD gone from WAW. Anyways, the AMC MD-80s always needed long distance for the take-off run. It looked spectacular for the aviation fans, not necessarily for the passengers. They did their job well always with a high LF.

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Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:37 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 30):
The Norwegian captain is hailed as a hero

He apparently put the plane down on the grasfield beside the runway and he kept his calm not alarming the passangers...

I'm surprised to hear the a Norwegian pilot works for AMC, thought that all Egyptian carriers (MS and charter companies) employed Egyptian flying crew. Nevertheless the Norwegian pilot did an outstanding job by keeping calm and landing the plane at IST with these though conditions. I believe we have him and the crew to thank for the fact that the pax did not suffer major casualties.
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Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:48 am

Cmoltay, perhaps lightning struck the plane, still very serious that the plane had a full blackout...
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Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:10 am

ooooo no way bro....there is a massive 12 foot wall next to 36L and NO grass, and a parallel runway to the other side...i highly doubt he landed anywhere but the runway, impossible in IST....plus look at the localizer at the end of the runway...it means he was lined up with the runway...

Well it looks like he's on the grasfield in the video. Check it out
 
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RE: AMC Airlines In Landing Accident At IST

Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:07 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 38):
Well it looks like he's on the grasfield in the video. Check it out

well, at the end where the runway is finished, there is grass again...

From what we know so far I think the pilot really did an amazing job paired with a LOT of luck!
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Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:57 pm

Quoting HECA (Reply 36):
I'm surprised to hear the a Norwegian pilot works for AMC, thought that all Egyptian carriers (MS and charter companies) employed Egyptian flying crew.

The Norwegian Captain works for a US agency supplying pilots to airlines all over the world. He's known as an excellent pilot and I think he proved that Thursday night.
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Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:47 pm

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 40):

Thanks for the clarification!
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Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:54 pm

I flew on this aircraft (SU-BOY) back in January on an internal egyptian flight Sharm El Sheikh - Luxor. Had the hardest landing i've ever experienced in Luxor, it was as if they just forgot to flare!!!!!!
 
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Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:51 pm

Recent pics:
http://www.airporthaber.com/hb/detay.php?id=20628
Also in the article it says the insurer is thinking about trying to fix the plane!!!