MrPorter
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Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:51 pm

Got an e-mail announcing Porter is starting service to Tremblant from YTZ during the winter season. Do you think this service will be a success? I think the q400 is probably not a bad aircraft for this.... hope there will be the demand.
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:13 pm

Seems like overkill to me. Unless they have some sort of agreement in the works with a tourism company or Intrawest the main company involved in Tremblant. Maybe some package operator has commited to a certain number of seats. Perhaps they used to fly them into YUL and then bused them to Tremblant.
 
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:21 pm

YKF had a Dash-7 operated by Voyageur Airlines on behalf of ULTIMATE SKI VACATIONS which went YKF-YYZ-Tremblant 2X week (Sun and Thurs) last winter.

I don't think it was successful enough for them to return, but having the GTA using YTZ for Porter could be a different story all together.
 
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:24 pm

What will the frequency be like???

Hopes it will go well with Porter Airlines.
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:26 pm

Quoting MrPorter (Thread starter):
Do you think this service will be a success?



Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 1):
Maybe some package operator has commited to a certain number of seats.

Horizon Airlines goes into Kamloops from Seattle, and I'm pretty sure the service was launched with some sort of subsidy from the Sun Peaks ski resort. They started with DHC-8 200, but I think they've upgraded to a Q400.

Given the size of Toronto, and the fact that Tremblant is proabably the best Canadian ski destination you can reach with a short flight, it should do well on the weekends at least.
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:36 pm

Yeah you are right and maybe just a Friday, Saturday outbound service to Tremblant and a Sunday, Monday return service. Blue Mountain which isn't nearly as nice a hill has gone through a huge growth with quite a nice village and huge condo sales. Now if only they will have snow this year not like last year with so many layoffs. I know someone who flies to the Collingwood airport with a group of people at least once a month. |he fills the plane and it is relatively inexpensive for all.
 
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:45 pm

Porter will also fly YUL-Tremblant (YTM)-YUL once a week starting in December.
 
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:51 pm

With global warming, you're going to need mountains at least 6000 feet high to get reliable snow in future years. Good-bye just about every resort in the east when that happens (and a few in the west, too). They'll have to survive on mostly manufactured snow.
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:03 pm

Quoting Aviationman (Reply 6):
Porter will also fly YUL-Tremblant (YTM)-YUL once a week starting in December.

Just once a week !!!!!

This route will not survive I think. With just one service a week it will be hard to make it profitable.
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:17 pm

They don't need frequency to make this route work. On Saturday's there isn't the same frequency on the other routes as there is much less business travel. Making use of an aircraft that is just sitting idle is a good strategy. It will all come down to loads for the ski crowd. A few travel companies selling some hotel/airfare packages are all it make take.
 
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:19 pm

Montréalers are mostly driving to Tremblant (just over 2 hours driving).
 
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:27 pm

Looks like a Sat morning & a Sunday afternoon YTZ-YTM v.v.
Also a Sunday night YTZ-YUL-YTM.

The odd Monday and Wed service also.
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:22 am

Much like the summer Halifax service, it's mostly about keeping otherwise idle aircraft active.

After all, the current Saturday schedule requires just two aircraft to be active (one routing to YUL, the other between YHZ-YOW-YTZ). That means there's two planes just sitting in Toronto not doing very much at all (apart from being admired by the maintenance guys).

The holiday period itself... the YTZ-YUL/YOW routes will be cut back, and seasonal destinations will take their place instead. There could be a bumper schedule to YHZ over the holiday period... close to the levels seen during the summer (although it'll all be via Ottawa, rather than via Montreal and Ottawa). Now YUL will have a seasonal destination of its own, too.

So one would imagine that the YMT service will result in the reduction of YTZ-YUL flights, in much the same way the schedule was reduced in the summer. Well... that's obvious really as they're adding some weekday flights to Tremblant. :-P
 
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:03 am

There are some really high yield traffic that goes from Toronto to Tremblant. This flight for me would make sense based on that fact alone.
 
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:09 am

What's the luggage capacity on the Q400's? Flying to Tremblant, you're going to get a lot of outsize luggage with skis, snowboards, and the like. Can the planes handle all that?
 
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:04 pm

In terms of weight, structurally, the rear holds can haul around 1600-800lbs.

The hold should be large enough to contain such awkwardly sized objects, and the weight will only be an issue if the skiers pack really heavily (considering most will only be going for a few days at a time).

It shouldn't be too much of an issue... I'm sure Halifax flights were much worse, generally speaking. Halifax passengers don't travel lightly, it seems. Big grin
 
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:13 pm

I think the route is a good idea, there really isn't all that much invested in it except an extension of a Montreal flight. if they can get a holiday operator on board it could work out... although it is very much weather dependant. What are tha facilities like at Tremblant? Doubt there is an ILS or even a VOR.

Quoting AAmd11 (Reply 15):
It shouldn't be too much of an issue... I'm sure Halifax flights were much worse, generally speaking. Halifax passengers don't travel lightly, it seems.

That is for sure... Lobsters and all. Off topic but did anyone see the Airline episode (UK version) with the guy trying to take a lobster bought at Halifax Airport on an Easyjet flight? He tried to explain it to the customer service rep that they actually sell them at the airport, but they were having none of it. Easyjet staff had no idea what to do with it once they banned it. I think the easy solution would be to boil it.
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:04 pm

Quoting Hi_Flyer (Reply 14):
What's the luggage capacity on the Q400's?



Quoting AAmd11 (Reply 15):
The hold should be large enough to contain such awkwardly sized objects, and the weight will only be an issue if the skiers pack really heavily (considering most will only be going for a few days at a time).

After tossing skiis, bootbags and suitcases for people going to YTM on a Dash-7, I can say that there is no issue putting those loads onto a Q400. Skiis/snowboards really do not take much room and can be boxed in by suitcases and bootbags - quite easy to load actually.
 
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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:56 pm

Quoting Hi_Flyer (Reply 14):
What's the luggage capacity on the Q400's? Flying to Tremblant, you're going to get a lot of outsize luggage with skis, snowboards, and the like. Can the planes handle all that?

Lynx will be operating to ski destinations in the US and according to a post on another board they will be installing some kind of locker in the last row to accommodate some of the extra baggage.

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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:26 pm

Isn't CO also trying EWR - Mont Tremblant? Will be interesting to see how it works out for them.

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RE: Porter Airlines Tremblant Service

Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:17 am

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 19):
Isn't CO also trying EWR - Mont Tremblant? Will be interesting to see how it works out for them.

Yes we are. Seasonal service.

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