John
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High Density Seating Configuration On The A380

Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:24 am

Curious to know if any airline customers plan on using some of their A380s in an 800 seat layout, for instance? Japan and China, perhaps? It seems most airlines are opting for around 450-475 passengers on average, mixed class.

Can you imagine boarding a flight with 800 passengers on it?  crowded  It's late inbound and you have to turn it quick, otherwise you'll have 500 misconnects!  boggled   biggrin 
 
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RE: High Density Seating Configuration On The A380

Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting John (Thread starter):
Japan

Both NH and JL won´t buy the A380 ( for now at least) so we won´t see that. There were some plans that EK might have something like a LCC product with some all Eco A380´s with up to 700-800 seats but I have not read anything in the last year about it.

Quoting John (Thread starter):
It's late inbound and you have to turn it quick, otherwise you'll have 500 misconnects!

And this will be the day I quit the aviation business! Big grin
 
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RE: High Density Seating Configuration On The A380

Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:36 am

However, there are rumours that the parent group of Aerolineas Argentinas (can't remember the name) have brought 4. 2 to go to Aerolineas Argentinas and 2 to go to the lcc division (air comet I believe).

So there could become the first high-density planes.

Also, EK are doing a 2-class version which has over 600 seats.

-CXfirst
 
John
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RE: High Density Seating Configuration On The A380

Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:24 pm

Would the A380 be profitable on short haul high density domestic routes, such as what ANA and JAL do with their 747-D fleets? Don't they pack about 550 seats onto those 744s?
 
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RE: High Density Seating Configuration On The A380

Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:26 pm

If a UK charter airline took a A380 they would have 800 seats most probably. Not that any It airlines are likely to purchase the A380.
 
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RE: High Density Seating Configuration On The A380

Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:04 pm

Quoting John (Reply 3):
Would the A380 be profitable on short haul high density domestic routes, such as what ANA and JAL do with their 747-D fleets? Don't they pack about 550 seats onto those 744s?

That might be a tough call. A lot of domestic airports probably aren't sized for the A380 and I haven't seen anything from Airbus to suggest they've done anything to support a low cycle ratio (average hours per cycle). You'd probably end up running out of cycles on the airframe long before hours, which could skew the maintenance and capital cost out of favour.

Tom.
 
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RE: High Density Seating Configuration On The A380

Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:05 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
However, there are rumours that the parent group of Aerolineas Argentinas (can't remember the name) have brought 4.

This isn't a rumour, it's confirmed. Grupo Marsans purchased 4 A380s as part of a 61 aircraft order on Thursday. Airbus press release

The highest seating figure mentioned by an A380 operator so far has been circa 630 that Emirates plans on its two-class A380s. Still some way from the max certified load of 853 passengers (plus 20 crew as well).
7late7, A3latey, Sukhoi Superlate... what's going on?
 
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RE: High Density Seating Configuration On The A380

Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:23 pm

I don't know if it has been discussed much but there are a few cases where the max capacity layout can be of great use.

- emergency evacuations. there have been a few major evacations where there have been people cramnmed on to 747s (seen some threads on here about it). 800 seats, fill the ailes, in effect no baggage. A few in this setup could do a great job.

- i cant remember the name, but isnt there a religious gathering in the middle east somewhere, pilgramige to Mecca?, where they have masses of masses of people there, transport to/from this event could be another good use.

First thing in running these type of flights as normal service is making sure the airports served have the capacity to handle all those people. The idea of cramming close to 800 people into a departure area for a period of time is rather frightening. I'm sure they will figure out ways to do it, but organization is desperately needed  Smile.

Hopefully the LCCs will be encouraging people to not bring checked luggage...imagine the line for that...aye aye aye.
 
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RE: High Density Seating Configuration On The A380

Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:31 pm

If your able to treat the A380 as 2 aircraft (upper deck and lower deck) and have 2 lounges to board upper and lower deck then the A380 will board as quick as a 777.
 
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RE: High Density Seating Configuration On The A380

Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:46 pm

Quoting Jbernie (Reply 7):
- i cant remember the name, but isnt there a religious gathering in the middle east somewhere, pilgramige to Mecca?, where they have masses of masses of people there, transport to/from this event could be another good use.

It's hajj.

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