Fly764
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Off To Pilot School

Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:32 pm

I just resigned from my career as a F/A with Continental after 1.5 years, but I'm off to bigger and better things. I'm heading to ATP flight school in Jacksonville to finish my PPL, then off to Stuart, Florida to finish the rest of my ratings. Hopefully in a few more years I will be back with my airline! It was the hardest decision to make but I truly want to become a pilot. It was just so hard to put my resignation in as a FA because I truly love that job and will miss it alot, along with my seniority! Wish me luck!
 
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:35 pm

Quoting Fly764 (Thread starter):

Hey good luck to you! I'm in the middle of LX's pilotschool selection process, so hopefully, if the remaining two rounds will go well, i should be starting my training in January! Let's hope for the best  Smile
 
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:45 pm

Were you not able to take a leave of absence and keep your emp number?? Well, congratulations on you endeavors! After being a mainline f/a, will you condescend to fly the Embraer at expressjet??  Wink
 
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:52 pm

Quoting Fly764 (Thread starter):

Do you have a 4 year college degree...??? It's all but a must to get hired with an airline.
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:40 pm

Hahaahah tell that to Piedmont and Colgan or Gulfstream, or even us.
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:47 pm

Congratulations and good luck! I'm preparing to start my PPL and I can't wait.

Hope I see you in the air someday.

[Edited 2007-10-13 11:47:46]
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Fly764
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting Drewwright (Reply 2):
Were you not able to take a leave of absence and keep your emp number??

I tried to take an educational leave of absence but I was not granted one due to staffing issues along with my seniority. I can however go back to being a FA with my employee number but not my true seniority which is fair.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
Do you have a 4 year college degree...??? It's all but a must to get hired with an airline.

I certainly do! I actually have a teaching degree, but really didn't care to teach that much. I have always wanted to be a pilot. I just took the smart route and went to state school cheap to get a nice degree I could fall back on if necessary.
 
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:20 am

Quoting FLY764 (Reply 6):
I certainly do!

Cool...keep your contacts at your old airline. It will help out in the long run.
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:28 am

Quoting N710PS (Reply 4):
Hahaahah tell that to Piedmont and Colgan or Gulfstream, or even us.

He meant major airlines, not regionals. And yes, I don't know of a major airline that will hire you without a 4 year. Maybe FL or F9, but the legacies won't even consider you no matter how many hours you have without a degree.
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:30 am

I am keeping as many contacts as I can. Most pilots think I have a very good advantage of getting hired back on with mainline when the time comes simply because I have worked here already and that I have a good record with the company. I'm not sure which regional I want to work for yet because my goal is going to be get a job asap so I can start paying off my horrible loan, as well as building up those hours so I can get to a major as soon as I can.
 
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting FLY764 (Reply 9):
I'm not sure which regional I want to work for yet because my goal is going to be get a job asap so I can start paying off my horrible loan, as well as building up those hours so I can get to a major as soon as I can.

I'm not so sure you'll land a job with a regional right out of flight school. Most all require some actual flight time before they'll look at you and several hundred hours of time
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:43 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 8):
And yes, I don't know of a major airline that will hire you without a 4 year. Maybe FL or F9, but the legacies won't even consider you no matter how many hours you have without a degree.

As 777STL mentioned, all the legacy carriers wouldn't hire a pilot "candidate" w/o a 4-year college degree no matter what your flying qualifications are. It was also mentioned how FL or F9 might consider someone w/o a degree. This leads me to this question: would WN or B6 (and FL or F9, for that matter) consider a degree-less pilot? I know WN has among the highest pilot salaries, up there with bigger legacies (such as UA), as well as even FX and UPS, so I'd think that WN would require at least a bachelor's degree.
 
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:51 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 10):

I'm not so sure you'll land a job with a regional right out of flight school. Most all require some actual flight time before they'll look at you and several hundred hours of time

From Piedmont's website... Minimum Qualifications: Commercial Pilot/IR with multi-engine land rating.

[Edited 2007-10-13 17:54:32]
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 8):
He meant major airlines, not regionals. And yes, I don't know of a major airline that will hire you without a 4 year. Maybe FL or F9, but the legacies won't even consider you no matter how many hours you have without a degree.



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
Do you have a 4 year college degree...??? It's all but a must to get hired with an airline.


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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 10):
I'm not so sure you'll land a job with a regional right out of flight school. Most all require some actual flight time before they'll look at you and several hundred hours of time

I am not expecting a job right away, but right now the hiring spree is incredible amongst the regionals. I'd be stupid to wait any longer. Many regionals publish that they want 500TT, but many will hire less especially if you go to a school they have an alliance with or if you have contacts. I know about 4 people who got jobs with regionals with only 300TT. I will also have an advantage because when I graduate ATP I will have at least 190 ME time which is crucial.
 
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:15 am

Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 13):
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They wont touch you without it. I have given the lasergrade psychology exam to a few guys and they were all in the 3,500-4,000 hour range with 2,000 turbine PIC. Yes they all had degrees.
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:15 am

Congratulations and good luck

I m currently in the first year of marketing degree and being a pilot is what I always wanted to do.
Do you guys think I should head off for my ambition by getting into the ATP course next year or wait till I finish my degree which is another 2 years time. Another option could be head to the ATP course next year and continue my degree after I got my ATP. Which one is a better option? thanks
 
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:15 am

Quoting 747fan (Reply 11):
This leads me to this question: would WN or B6 (and FL or F9, for that matter) consider a degree-less pilot? I know WN has among the highest pilot salaries, up there with bigger legacies (such as UA), as well as even FX and UPS, so I'd think that WN would require at least a bachelor's degree.

WN, I doubt. WN can afford to be as picky as requiring a 737 type rating before applying. That being said, I don't imagine them hiring too many degree-less pilots. Not saying it doesn't happen, but they tend to have high standards.
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 17):
WN, I doubt. WN can afford to be as picky as requiring a 737 type rating before applying. That being said, I don't imagine them hiring too many degree-less pilots. Not saying it doesn't happen, but they tend to have high standards.

Thank you, that's what I was assuming. I also assume that FedEx and UPS want a bachelor's degree, given that their pilots are among the highest paid in the industry. Does anyone know if B6 wants a bachelor's degree? I don't know how their pilots are paid, probably less than WN's.
 
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:19 am

Hey, good luck at ATP!
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:44 am

nice choice at ATP my friend  Wink you'll have a job with a top regional (ie, expressjet) with minimum time due to the quality of training you'll receive and written agreements. whoever says they aren't so sure you'll receive a job blah blah blah is sorely misinformed  Smile have fun flying as an FO for ATP within a year! i'll miss seein ya 'round!
 
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:54 am

EMBQA I agree that in most cases the airlines will not hire without a degree but working for a regional that has in recent times hired a few with no college and perhaps a few with a year at a community college but 500 hours flight time and a multi I can attest. I also have a few pals on the other side of the family flying the dash that can attest to this including someone high up the food chain of pilots at that company who is in CLT. Regionals are desperate. Colgan is seeing upgrade times of a year and sometimes even less at this point. Not to mention Piedmont has parked 4 Dashes this year due to lack of pilots. Right now alot of regionals are taking anyone with a pulse and a medical.
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:56 am

Hi all,

Good luck to those of you starting training, i know it's a long way to the majors in the US.

Here in europe the majors hire people with less than 300 hours TT...and with only a highschool diploma to back them. It's all down to the rigid and difficult selection process but it would work in the states i'm sure...only school with a real selection process i know of in the USA is CAPT and then again they only get you into the regionals.

anyway how hard and stressfull training can get, remember, FLYING = FUN!

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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:31 am

Quoting Fly764 (Thread starter):
It was the hardest decision to make but I truly want to become a pilot. It was just so hard to put my resignation in as a FA because I truly love that job and will miss it alot, along with my seniority!

Changing careers like the way you have done is certainly a hard thing to do and requires a lot of determination. However, doing what you really want to do is the most important thing. Now that you have made a decision, I wish you all the very best in the flying school and hope you have a great career afterwards.

Good Luck !
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:06 pm

Yes, good luck with your flying career.

I too have seen some really low-time guys get hired this year - one of our rampers was hired at Mesa with the ink still wet on his commercial/multi/instrument - at about 250 hours total time.

Still thinking about getting my ATP off ice and flying again. But man, what it costs just to stay current!
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Fly764
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:33 pm

Thanks for allt he replies and encouragement guys! It means alot!  Smile
 
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:14 pm

You'll really enjoy it, I am doing my course right now and having so much fun!

You definetely made the right choice!


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RE: Off To Pilot School

Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:26 pm

Good luck to you sir.

I failed the interview stage of CTC sponsorship course last year and resultingly didn't get on the course (thought the acceptance rate is about 3% to be fair).

I am looking to get my PPL so i seem more attractive if any more sponsorship schemes show up.

If not i could theoretically self sponser but that would take the best part of 6 years, considering all the saving up.

However, at 22 i'm not in a massive hurry.
 
Fly764
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:22 am

Thanks again for the encouragement. I am just so worried about fuel costs. Oil just hit 84 a barrel. Who knows whats going to happen in the future with the airlines, but I know if this pilot shortage keeps up as it is, I'd be stupid to wait any longer. I also feel that if I don't do this I will be kicking my but in 10 years for not trying.
 
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RE: Off To Pilot School

Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:40 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 10):
I'm not so sure you'll land a job with a regional right out of flight school. Most all require some actual flight time before they'll look at you and several hundred hours of time

Tell that to Pinnacle, Mesaba, Mesa, etc etc.....multi commercial and a pulse!

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RE: Off To Pilot School

Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:07 pm

Fly764:

In the words of a very wise child:

"Follow your dreams
you CAN reach your goals
I'm living proof
Beefcake BEEFCAKE!!!"

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RE: Off To Pilot School

Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:57 am

ATP is not a flight school is a certificate factory..
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