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UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:48 am

I am planning to make a trip home from San Francisco to see my family in Fort Wayne, IN, for Christmas.

Do UA fly 747-400s between SFO and ORD? If so, I would love the opportunity to fly the 747 domestically! I am a 747 lover anyway.

So I was wondering if UA 744s regularly fly between SFO and ORD, or if these are only equipment subs, if they even do fly between the two hubs. If they do, would it be more likely to happen around Christmas?

Thanks in advance for any info!

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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:12 am

Not in the last couple or years has a 744 been on a domestic run scheduled out of ORD. However, if you heged your bets properly and waited for a sub on the day of flights, I have predicted correctly a few times when you might see a 744 domestically. For example, ORD-DEN on President's Weekend for all the skiiers. This Christmas however, I have no idea. If you REALLY want to fly a 744, then UA is running a 1-time, 1-way ORD-LAX 747 on October 28 (I think, it's in 2 Saturdays) to position for the new LAX-HKG service.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 1):
ORD-LAX 747 on October 28 (I think, it's in 2 Saturdays) to position for the new LAX-HKG service.

You sure on that? Last we heard it was being ferry in from SFO. It's too early to tell anyway. Can double check once an airplane is asign to the route.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:19 pm

Oh do I miss the 1970s and early 1980s when most U.S. carriers flew 747s :
- UA 747 in IAD to LAX or SFO.
- TWA 747 from JFK to LAX.
- AA 747 from ORD to SFO or LAX.
- Not sure if NW flew DTW to SEA or LAX using 747s?
- Also Braniff Int.,

Nowadays, Japan is the only country flying domestic 747s.
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:31 pm

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 3):
Oh do I miss the 1970s and early 1980s when most U.S. carriers flew 747s :

Don't forget Tower Air flew 747s domestically until their 2000 collapse. Oh wait, they weren't a real airline...!  Smile
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:51 pm

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 3):
Nowadays, Japan is the only country flying domestic 747s.

Don-t forget QF !

They fly 747s on routes like SYD/PER , MEL/PER .
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:03 pm

NOTE: If second post looks same I couldn't edit my earlier post, posting problems.
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:16 pm

SA also fly 747s between CPT and JNB
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:34 pm

You could get lucky, I was in the Red Carpet club the morning of October 3rd and saw that UA #842 operated as a 747 that day.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:40 pm

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 5):
- NW 747 DTW-LAX or SFO? (also not sure)

I flew a NW 747 LAX-MSP in 1981.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:45 pm

I flew on UA 744 ORD-LAX July 4th,04. The Y-class seats were hard as a rock. I'd hate to be stuck there all the way to SYD.
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:44 pm

I know it's not domestic, but isn't QF still flying SFO - YVR? I don't think it's daily...
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:59 pm

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 5):
- UA 747 IAD-LAX and SFO,

IAD-LAX was a 747 at last into the late 1990's... I recall flying it in 1998 on the way home from an interview with ACA.

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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:17 pm

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 1):
Not in the last couple or years has a 744 been on a domestic run scheduled out of ORD.

Not true, I flew on a UA 747 from ORD-LAX several times last year..

6-22-06 ORD-LAX UA 129 (N118UA)
6-26-06 LAX-ORD UA 128 (N178UA)
9-10-06 LAX-ORD UA 855 (N127UA)
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:26 pm

The summer before last UA was running 747-400s from ORD to SFO and back for a little over a month in June and July.

Quoting Shane (Reply 12):
I know it's not domestic, but isn't QF still flying SFO - YVR? I don't think it's daily...

Are you thinking CX ? Cathay runs a daily HKG-YVR-JFK... I am almost certain QF does not run this route. I do believe QF runs an LAX-JFK, but you cannot buy a domestic ticket on that.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 11):
I flew on UA 744 ORD-LAX July 4th,04. The Y-class seats were hard as a rock. I'd hate to be stuck there all the way to SYD.

The 744 Y seats aren't close to as nice as those on the 777 and 767, however I don't think they are bad, personally. Those are the same Y seats they use in their 757s also.
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:35 pm

UA uses the 2 class Hawaii 772s between SFO and ORD. The 744s used for LAX-ORD are repositioning flights, usually overnight flights and they do not operate them consistently. In Y, my first choice on UA is the 3 class 767. It has wider seats than the 744, seatback video and lacks the dreaded "double excuse me" middle seat of the 772.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:55 pm

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 3):
- Not sure if NW flew DTW to SEA or LAX using 747s?

When I was in elementary school my family would go from SEA to Florida on NW via MSP. Most of the SEA-MSP / MSP-SEA flights were 747's continuing on to or returning from Tokyo
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 5):
Oh I miss the 1970s and early 1980s when U.S. domestic 747 services was very common.
- UA 747 IAD-LAX and SFO,
- UA 747 ORD-LAX and SFO
- TWA 747 JFK-LAX
- AA 747 ORD-LAX (not 100% sure)
- NW 747 DTW-LAX or SFO? (also not sure)
-Also Braniff Int. and People Express - not sure of their domestic routes.

CO and DL also operated 747s on domestic routes many years ago.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 15):
I am almost certain QF does not run this [SFO-YVR] route.

Good thing you included that "almost".
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:57 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 19):
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 15):
I am almost certain QF does not run this [SFO-YVR] route.

Good thing you included that "almost".

QF press release re their seasonal service SFO-YVR-SFO. The last date in the first paragraph should of course read 2008, not 2007.
http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn/us/press/1101

With AC starting daily YVR-SYD-YVR nonstop service in December (and NZ commencing 3/week AKL-YVR-AKL nonstop service on November 2) I doubt whether the QF seasonal tag-on from SFO will be repeated next year as it's not very competitive.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:07 am

If I remember correctly didn't UA run a 744 between ORD-IAD or the other way around not to long ago. I doubt that this was the route for this flight as I am sure it went on to somewhere else like ORD-IAD-LHR or IAD-ORD-HNL or something along that line. Anyone with any of those old OAG's have info on this?
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 19):
Good thing you included that "almost".

Currently the SFO/YVR tag is operated by Alaskan A/L on which QF codeshare and it ops on 737.

They do operate a through service SYD/SFO/YVR with a 747 from early Dec to late JAN to cover
the Christmas peak , however , SFO/YVR isn-t a domestic sector and in any case so frar as I can see
they are not accepting bookings on this end sector .
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:37 am

Quoting BCALBOY (Reply 22):
Quoting Timz (Reply 19):
Good thing you included that "almost".

Currently the SFO/YVR tag is operated by Alaskan A/L on which QF codeshare and it ops on 737.

That's not a "tag" but a standard code-share connection with different flight numbers. "Tag" normally means a continuation of the same flight using the same flight number so it appears as a direct flight in systems, although not necessarily using the same aircraft on both sectors.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:49 am

I flew on the Delta domestic 747's several times in the '70's. In fact, I didn't fly on another 747 until the late '90's. Unfortunately, the slides I took were all interior so I don't have the "N" numbers. I think a couple are still flying as freighters. Would be great to see the new logo on one...dream on!  Smile

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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:53 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):
That's not a "tag" but a standard code-share connection with different flight numbers. "Tag" normally means a continuation of the same flight using the same flight number so it appears as a direct flight in systems, although not necessarily using the same aircraft on both sectors.

Don-t think that is of any relevance to the point ,I was making.
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:03 am

Quoting BCALBOY (Reply 25):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):
That's not a "tag" but a standard code-share connection with different flight numbers. "Tag" normally means a continuation of the same flight using the same flight number so it appears as a direct flight in systems, although not necessarily using the same aircraft on both sectors.

Don-t think that is of any relevance to the point ,I was making.
Pure pedantics !

Agree, not important. It was just to point out that there is a specific meaning of "tag" sector in airline scheduling, which would not be the example you used.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:08 am

UA operated IAD-SFO with a 744 for a month last year due to MX routing. It was to position the IAD-FRA 744 (at that time, IAD's sole 744 flight).

My Dad was lucky enough to have his 777 flight "upgraded" to a 744 on DEN-ORD a few weeks ago. He was quite excited. His first domestic trip on a 400.
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:14 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 27):
UA operated IAD-SFO with a 744 for a month last year due to MX routing. It was to position the IAD-FRA 744 (at that time, IAD's sole 744 flight).

I remember flying on that one. It was UA950/951 (or 915?). It June, July and early August (before going back to a 777), 2006.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:14 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 21):
If I remember correctly didn't UA run a 744 between ORD-IAD or the other way around not to long ago. I doubt that this was the route for this flight as I am sure it went on to somewhere else like ORD-IAD-LHR or IAD-ORD-HNL or something along that line. Anyone with any of those old OAG's have info on this?

I routinely flew on UAL 747-400s from ORD-IAD (and return) during the early 1990's. It was the domestic portion of a flight to NRT, I believe. During the mid-1970s NW flight 3 also operated as a 747-2XX from IAD-ORD and thence to NRT(?), which I often took before connecting to OMA.
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:15 am

My preferred planes in economy on UA are definitely their 767-300ER's, specifically the 3-class PW4060-powered ones used on transatlantic flights and occasional transcons/repositioning flights. The seat itself (which is relatively comfortable, better than DL's non-headrest 763 seats) is like that on the 744 and 777, but it has PTV's like the 777's (albeit small ones without AVOD) and has that wonderful 2-3-2 layout. The only thing I like about the 777 in favor of the 767 is the much more modern overhead bin design, which AA has in biz class on their 767's and of course CO has throughout all of their 767's.
Unlike some a.netters, I actually don't mind UA's 744's. No, they don't have PTV's in Y, but neither do NW's 744's, AA's 763's, DL's 763ER's, or of course IB's and LH's (not much longer the case for LH, finally) longhaul planes, even the new A346's. UA did get new seats on their 744's (the old ones were still fine comfort-wise, they just looked 1980's), and they're quite comfortable; as I mentioned before, I think they're the same seats as the 767/777, just without the PTV's. Of course you have to deal with the 3-4-3 layout (which I really don't find any worse than 3-3-3 777's, but UA's 2-5-2 777's are better), but who cares; after all, you're flying on the queen of the skies! Whether you're on a 2 hour repositioning flight or a 14.5 hour ORD-HKG flight, F or Y, there's nothing like the feeling of flying on a 747, particularly the -400. And an added bonus of 744 domestic flights such as SFO-ORD is the surprisingly powerful takeoff and climbout they provide due to a generally lower pax load and a light load of fuel. All of the sudden, a plane that is notorious for its long takeoff roles and leisurely climbouts is transformed into a plane that matches the 757 for its takeoff run and climbout. Nothing like being in such as massive plane and using 4000 ft. of runway and climbing like a rocket!  bigthumbsup  That's the main reason why me (and probably many other a.netter) will go out of his/her way to fly on a domestic 744 flight, other than getting a cheaper chance of flying on one.
By the way, my lone UA 744 flight was from SFO-DEN and it was about a 22-second TO run!
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 15):
Cathay runs a daily HKG-YVR-JFK

If the list is being expanded to Canada and USA, might as well add Mexico to include JL's twice-weekly YVR-MEX 744 service. Coincidentally, YVR-JFK and YVR-MEX are exactly the same mileage (2128 nm).

[Edited 2007-10-15 19:44:50]
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:27 pm

Don't forget,

All in the mid 80's...

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NW's MSP-ORD
ORD-JFK
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 27):
UA operated IAD-SFO with a 744 for a month last year due to MX routing.

We are flying the 744 on the SFO-IAD-SFO route as I type this. It is subbing for 1 of 4 767-300 Domestic birds out of service. It ran the last two days as well. Flights 914/915.
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:27 pm

United had scheduled 747 service between SFO and Chicago last winter. I flew it several times. Actually I thought flight was kind of a pain as it takes so friggin long to load and unload passenger and gate area is a mob scene with that big of an aircraft.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:42 pm

I know that UA has flown a 744 between SFO and DEN now and then, usually during the late year holidays. I've seen it for the past few years. FYI.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:56 pm

I flew a UA 744 in C from SFO to DEN back in 2004. I remember when we landed in DEN there were 3...yes, 3...744's all lined up next to each other: my plane headed back for SFO, one to LAX, and one to ORD.

I'll be on a 777 SFO-DEN next month and I'm hoping for the 744 upgrade.  Wink
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:13 pm

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 13):
IAD-LAX was a 747 at last into the late 1990's... I recall flying it in 1998 on the way home from an interview with ACA.

Steve

Thats not correct. Ive been with Chautauqua since '04 and since Ive been here the wife and I flew on a UA 744 from IAD-LAX. Ill try to drum up the date. But it was early '05 if I were to bet.
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:04 pm

For anyone that cares, UA 943 on Oct 27, 2007 will be a 747-400 ORD to LAX offering passenger service (non-ferry).
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:38 pm

I flew into ORD from MUC on a Lufthansa A340 in 2004. Connected to a UA 744 in C class to LAX. Fabulous! Such legroom! The service was of the International caliber as well.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:24 am

Are the 747 domestic runs listed in the timetable or are all of these last mintue changes? For those scheduled only weeks in advance, do they usually take the place of the widebody flight on the given route?

I plan to fly ORD-LAX next summer, but I don't think I'll wait until two weeks before my trip to book. I'd love a 744, but if not, the 763 is the next best thing on the schedule.
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:56 pm

The plane that will be UA 943 on Oct 27th is supposed to be the new LAX - HKG 744. It will be coming from ORD, hence the one-time run. It has been in the reservation system as a 744 for about 2 months now.

There's going to be all kinds of strange subs the next year or so because of the new C and F installs.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:27 pm

I flew a 747 Den to Lax shortly after 9/11 I think it was in Nov. of 2001 I haven't seen them out here since


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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:31 am

I wonder what was the deal with the 744 this morning headed from DEN to ORD? I assume just aircraft positioning but that hasn't happened in quite some time - I fly all the time (DIA's home) and rarely do I see a 744 if it's not going to SFO.

I flew to MSY today and three gates down (B34) was a 744 headed to ORD. Pretty cool to see that big bird lined up next to a few 772's.
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting Bartond (Reply 42):
I wonder what was the deal with the 744 this morning headed from DEN to ORD? I assume just aircraft positioning but that hasn't happened in quite some time - I fly all the time (DIA's home) and rarely do I see a 744 if it's not going to SFO.

There were actually 2x 744's in DEN today, I could hardly believe what I was seeing!!!
 
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RE: UA 747-400s Between SFO And ORD?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting Manta (Reply 37):


For anyone that cares, UA 943 on Oct 27, 2007 will be a 747-400 ORD to LAX offering passenger service (non-ferry).

Muchos gracias! I'm gonna get on there... It'll cost $235, but well worth it to me for my first 747 ride!
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