ALexeu
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Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:25 am

If one flies from Paris or Amsterdam to St.Maarten is is threated as domestic of int'l flight? Which terminal would you use? Passport control?
Same question for other overseas territories, such as flying from UK to Gibraltar of from France to Reunion (i heard that it is longest domestic flight).

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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:33 am

Last time I was in St Maarten (arriving from AMS) we had to go through passport control, so I guess in that way it was international. Regarding Customs, im not sure.
 
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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:35 am

I don't think the overseas territories are counted in the Schengen agreement so presumably this would be treated as a international flight. UK to Gibraltar is certainly international.
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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:47 am

They are not part of Schengen.
But, Greenland is neither part of Schengen, but if you fly from Danmark to Greenland it will be threated as domestic (no customs and immigration).

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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:18 am

I know flying US mainland to Puerto Rico it is treated as a domestic flight (Same with USVI). The way back, you preclear customs before the flight and lands as a domestic flight.
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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:33 am

Flying from Svaldbard to Norway you also have to clear C&I, AFAIK Svaldbard is not in Schengen.
How about traveling from Hong Kong and Macao to mainland China? New Zealand to Niue and Cook islands?

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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:48 am

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 5):
How about traveling from Hong Kong and Macao to mainland China?

Strict passport control, since even visa regulations are different: I don't need a visa to Hong Kong but I do need one to mainland China.
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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:25 pm

How about traveling from UK to Ireland. It is in same customs and immigration union, but how are flights threaten? London-Dublin is one of the busiest air line routes
 
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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:45 pm

About the UK and Republic of Ireland, citizens born in either country do not officially need passports or any form of documentation to enter the other but of late airlines are insisting on ID and it does make things easier at Immigration too. If one crosses by land ID is not usually checked. Citizens of either country by means other than birth do need passports to enter the other by air and foreign nationals need passports (or in the case of EU citizens ID cards) and in some cases visas to travel from one to the other as their visa rules differ somewhat.

The Netherlands Antilles, French departments d'outre mer and other overseas territories are not under the Schengen arrangement and so separate entry control is maintained. Visa rules also differ eg. citizens of Trinidad and Tobago do not need visas for the Netherlands Antilles or Aruba but do need them to enter The Netherlands itself.

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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 5):
Flying from Svaldbard to Norway you also have to clear C&I, AFAIK Svaldbard is not in Schengen.

There were no customs or immigration at Svalbard when I visited last year, just the standard automatic doors you walk through which are not in place at many airports across Europe. Bit of a shame, I was hoping for a passport stamp from the world's most northerly commercial airport. They do receive international charter flights from Russia, but as the passengers are transferred directly to Barentsberg by helicopter or ship, I'm not sure if customs are applicable due to the special relationship with Russia as laid out in the Treaty of Svalbard.

For France though it would not be an internal flight, as SXM is in the Dutch half of the island, which was separated in the 1600s according to the Concordia Treaty. Even then, the Dutch Antilles are autonomous from the Netherlands, so although they have the same Monarchy presiding over them, they do have a level of independence.


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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:58 pm

Trintocan, so do you use Domestic or international terminal of UK-IRL flights?

If Carribean islands became part of Schengen, they would be illegal immigrant paradise. That's why there is a fence beatween Ceuta (and Mellilla) and Morocco.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9):
For France though it would not be an internal flight, as SXM is in the Dutch half of the island, which was separated in the 1600s according to the Concordia Treaty. Even then, the Dutch Antilles are autonomous from the Netherlands, so although they have the same Monarchy presiding over them, they do have a level of independence.

SXM is part of Dutch Antilles, but it has no customs beatween French part (st.martin). French part was integral part of France until 2007 (when it splitet from Guadaloupe overseas departmant, and became St.Martin overseas territory).

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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:56 pm

AlexEU, to answer you, most flights between the UK and Ireland are operated from domestic terminals - albeit in specially demarcated areas - on both sides. The airlines do check your passports though and you are generally sent through immigration on arrival. In fact flights to Ireland are collectively somewhat of a grey area between full domestics and full internationals because flights from Great Birtain to Northern Ireland, while strictly domestic, are treated as a high risk category and have stricter security than say, LHR - EDI. Flights to the Republic are also generally operated from the same areas.

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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:17 pm

I flew DUB - EDI this afternoon and nobody checked my passport (I'm an EU citizen) or my girlfriends (Australian citizen) at EDI. We didn't even go through the passport control hall at EDI (perhaps due to gait choice).

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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:20 pm

Sorry, passport check refers to Edinburgh but forum isn't letting me edit post.
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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:20 pm

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 4):
The way back, you preclear customs before the flight and lands as a domestic flight.

There is no customs upon departure from SJU... just agriculture (like Hawaii).
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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:49 am

Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 12):
I flew DUB - EDI this afternoon and nobody checked my passport (I'm an EU citizen) or my girlfriends (Australian citizen) at EDI. We didn't even go through the passport control hall at EDI (perhaps due to gait choice).

I used to travel this route regularly, and was always directed through international arrivals at EDI though frequently there were no staff at passport control. The last few times though there were always immgartion officers there.
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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:41 am

New Zealand to Niue and the Cook Islands are treated as International Flights.
I can't comment on other nationalities but New Zealanders get 31 days entry to each of those territories on arrival.
The Cooks also insist on you having pre-booked accommodation before arriving there.
If you are a Cook Islander or Niuean, you automatically have New Zealand citizenship, but the same is not true the other way.

Norfolk Island to Australia is an international flight also; although it is an external territory of Australia.
To New Zealand, it is of course an international flight, and the island operates its own Customs, Immigration, and Quarantine, and believe me, they make MAF Quarantine in Auckland look like wild and free souls...!!!

To answer one point from the OP - it depends a lot, I think on whether the overseas territory you are flying to is treated as an external or internal territory of the country that it is a territory of.

Interesting to hear about flights from the UK to the Republic of Ireland and Gibraltar - I'd wondered about those two for a while.
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RE: Is This Int'l Or Domestic Flight?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 15):
Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 12):
I flew DUB - EDI this afternoon and nobody checked my passport (I'm an EU citizen) or my girlfriends (Australian citizen) at EDI. We didn't even go through the passport control hall at EDI (perhaps due to gait choice).

I used to travel this route regularly, and was always directed through international arrivals at EDI though frequently there were no staff at passport control. The last few times though there were always immgartion officers there.

As stated if arriving from in the UK from the Republic of Ireland, you do not need a passport (if you are a citizen of either country.) I do not know what immigration oficials could do if you don't have a passport to show them.

I know that at STN pax from ROI where given plastic cards to give to immigration to prove that they had not arrived from any other countries.


At LHR before a dedicated area was opened all pax from ROI were taken by bus to the custons hall by-passing the immigration counters.

As for SXM AFAIK French law requires all citizens to carry id cards and foreign nationals have to carry their passports, if this is the case it doesn't matter if there is an immigration checkpoint on arrival as everyone will have a passport/id card.