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UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:56 am

Starting 1/7/08 UA will change LAX-NRT-LAX 747 to a 777. LAX-FRA-LAX will be a 777 and LAX-HKG-LAX will be a 747. LAX-LHR-LAX will remain a 777. So....Where are they getting the 777's from?
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting Platinumfoota (Thread starter):
Starting 1/7/08 UA will change LAX-NRT-LAX 747 to a 777. LAX-FRA-LAX will be a 777 and LAX-HKG-LAX will be a 747. LAX-LHR-LAX will remain a 777. So....Where are they getting the 777's from?

There is a great mystery as to where these 777s are all coming from. If I had to guess, I would say that they are re-working the way the schedule and rotate the aircraft to increase utilization... then again, if they are taking a 747 off of something and putting a 777 on it, that 747 is likely replacing a 777 somewhere. I know SFO-KIX has moved to a 744, that was a 777 once upon a time.
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:33 pm

I wonder if the 747 thats being withdrawn is the first thats going in for the new interior/seats etc to be installed as the LAX-HGK 747 is coming down from ORD to start the new service.
 
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:55 pm

LAX to Tokyo has lots of competition, so this is either adjusting for the new LAX to Hong Kong flight or a need for 744 to China or another route.
 
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:50 pm

Maybe these will help explain things for those that want to know.

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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:56 pm

I thought IAD - FCO was on a 777. When is it going to a 767?
 
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:40 pm

Isn't that quite a drop in capcity?

I mean NH switched from their B744 to a B777-300ER which seems to justify because there is not a big gap in capacity. But many airlines I think have dropped capacity on the NRT-LAX market. First of all, TG pulled out. And did Malaysia pull out as well? And then JL dropped one of its extra weekly flights and made it a daily operation, as stated before NH moved to a twin, KE at one time also operated a B744 on the route but I think they are constantly a B777-200ER now as well. Then RG doesn't fly the route anymore and now UA is going to scale down the seats on their aircraft?

It seems like it has been trimmed so much over the last few years.
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:38 pm

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 5):
I thought IAD - FCO was on a 777. When is it going to a 767?

Its a 763 for the winter. Planned to return to a 777 summer 2008.

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 6):
Isn't that quite a drop in capacity?

Yes it is, however UA has slowly been shifting its NRT ops away from a transfer hub operation to instead focus on O&D traffic using smaller equipment as its continues to increase direct Asia flying.

In addition two other factors to consider which certainly have effected the other carriers in the market also is the regionalization of Japan-US traffic away from being only focused on NRT, in addition Japan-US traffic has been flat if not declining these last few years as others such other Asian gateways have grown along with the fact US Japanese tourism arrivals have also been declining.
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:46 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
Yes it is, however UA has slowly been shifting its NRT ops away from a transfer hub operation to instead focus on O&D traffic using smaller equipment as its continues to increase direct Asia flying.

Correct. While there are still connecting opportunities on NH, SIN and BKK are the only remaining connections on UA metal.

On a related note, there had been rumors of SEA-NRT downgauging to a 763 - have there been any updates on that front?
 
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:51 pm

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 8):
On a related note, there had been rumors of SEA-NRT downgauging to a 763 - have there been any updates on that front?

Tossed around, still no commitment to rotating the B763 through Narita though.
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:59 pm

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 8):
Correct. While there are still connecting opportunities on NH, SIN and BKK are the only remaining connections on UA metal.

No, ICN and TPE are the others.
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:21 pm

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 6):
And then JL dropped one of its extra weekly flights and made it a daily operation, as stated before NH moved to a twin, KE at one time also operated a B744 on the route but I think they are constantly a B777-200ER now as well. Then RG doesn't fly the route anymore and now UA is going to scale down the seats on their aircraft?

It seems like it has been trimmed so much over the last few years

Yes, but many here on a.net keep saying that JL and NH need the A380!!! If JL and NH only use the 777-300ER daily to a destination like LAX, where in the heck are they going to use an A380?  Yeah sure
 
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:32 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
No, ICN and TPE are the others.

Didn't realize those two were still operating, thanks.
 
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:38 am

IS there a reason why the SYD service # 2 from LAX stops in January? Previously UA always used to fly that service out until end of March.
 
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 11):
Yes, but many here on a.net keep saying that JL and NH need the A380!!! If JL and NH only use the 777-300ER daily to a destination like LAX, where in the heck are they going to use an A380?

They won't. It's that simple.
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:18 am

NGO is going to 5 weekly down from daily for the season?
Interesting.

As said above. Japan traffic is dropping. Why fly through Japan when you can do a non-stop? There are more non-stops from other parts of Asia. Not to mention that KE kicked it into high gear in creating ICN into a new Asian Gateway. Low landing fees, and KE is flying to every corner of the globe. It is easily for some people in Japan to fly via ICN than it is to fly via NRT!

One of the factors I can see is that airlines no longer need to have many tech-stops to get places or need to fy via Japan to get to any part of Asia. Russian airspace is open which allows for faster/easier trips to other parts of Asia. China is opening and lets in more carriers so people don't need to fly via NRT. They can go straight.

The Japanese government is trying to fight this but it is hard to do when the airport everyone wants to get into is $$$ and the rest of the country has been lacking major infrastructure investment for developing business that might attract new airline business.

From my personal perspective. Even though there has been more education to kids encouraging them to go abroad and see the world. They are timid to do so. They are only going to Hawaii, Guam, Australia and the beach markets. Japan is falling behind in international business due to a lack of drive at the grassroots level and of course, innovation is kind of lacking.

I could rant about Japanese politics but it would be a futile gesture. I feel that there are so many factors that could lead some airlines to even pull out of Japan all together.
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 11):
JL and NH only use the 777-300ER daily to a destination like LAX

Sorry I wondered if I confused you in my post. JL still sends a B744 to LAX but only daily now.

Centerair, you bring up an interesting point. Well, lately I have been listening to ATC's of many major airports around the world and boy are they busy during night-time (JFK, HKG, etc). Compared to that, all of Kansai's airports (KIX, ITM, UKB) are so silent past like 8 pm. I think major airports have been succesful at growing in cargo demand as well as passenger growth and have constantly increased the rwys that they have and started 24 hrs operation from an early time. Japan, was left behind in all this with the protesters at NRT, people in and around ITM. I mean, they can't even agree where an airport is going to be built. Originally, KIX was to be located where UKB is today. But then the government of Kobe protested to this idea in the beginning and look where they are 15 years later?

I think HNDs new rwy might change the situation a bit. But they have to scale up their 24 hour opeartions and even build a few more runways if neccesary.

There was heated debate about closing ITM when KIX opened. But then the people around ITM protested to this idea and now there are two airports with 14 million people using it per year. I wonder if it had only been KIX, would it have beenin a better situation than it is in today?
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:16 pm

I'm amazed they will downgrade the 777 IAD-AMS for one month. It's a full flight all the time now.
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RE: UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777

Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:01 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 17):
I'm amazed they will downgrade the 777 IAD-AMS for one month. It's a full flight all the time now.

It could be to free up the 777 for a month to put in the new interior, F & J seats etc??

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