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Garuda Crash Investigation: Pilot Error

Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:14 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7056444.stm

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A plane crash in Indonesia which killed 21 people in March has been blamed on pilot error by the official inquiry.
The Garuda Indonesia flight crashed on landing at Yogyakarta airport in March, and burst into flames.

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Indonesia's transport safety committee said the pilot was going 60% faster than he should have been on landing. The report said the pilot ignored the aircraft's warning system, which sounded alarms 15 times during the approach. He also ignored calls from the co-pilot to go around and take the approach again. On landing, the plane over-shot the runway and burst into flames.

Rescue vehicles at the airport were unable to reach to accident site and some did not have the right fire suppressant. The report said that these factors may have cost many lives.

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RE: Garuda Crash Investigation: Pilot Error

Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:33 am

A real shame that so many had to die. Hopefully Garuda and the Indonesian authorities can imporve their policies to prevent such a tragedy from ever occuring again.
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RE: Garuda Crash Investigation: Pilot Error

Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:01 am

If the reports of the pilot and FO ignoring the signal they were going too fast on approach, then there may be a serious issue of cockpit management. Sounds like their flyboys need to be educated about cockpit management at an independent facility to their airline, perhaps one at another Asian based airline with such programs to improve their pilots and so for example a FO to override a main pilot if they are doing something wrong and risky.
 
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RE: Garuda Crash Investigation: Pilot Error

Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:47 am

In Indonesia the problem is twofold.
1. We still got captains who think CRM is just another useless requirement.
2. We got F/Os who forget that their intervention can be covered by company SOP and CRM guidelines and courses.

The new findings is that they deemed the training in Garuda has been inadequately supervised by the DGAC therefore deficiencies were not caught out by the regulators.

There have been F/O interventions (forceful and declared intervention to conduct a go/around) in GA, and I recall 2 cases in the past 12 months which was supported by Garuda's Flight Ops, Crew chiefs and the safety auditors.

The final report is available for download... although give it a few more days, EVERYONE is downloading even today...

LBTEWR, Honestly speaking, I wouldn't trust those "independent facilities" too much! There are good ones but there are really really bad ones!

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RE: Garuda Crash Investigation: Pilot Error

Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:13 am

 
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RE: Garuda Crash Investigation: Pilot Error

Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:19 am

Very sad conclusions, but hardly a surprise.

I am not a little dismayed that the Aus Foreign Minister and Rudd both have seen fit to advise the GoI on what to do next. I would have thought that GoI could manage to figure that out by themselves without outside "help".
 
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RE: Garuda Crash Investigation: Pilot Error

Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:26 pm

Australian newspapers are expressing a lot of outrage (eg one survivor's piece) over the decision not to charge the pilot. Then again, criticising the Indonesian judicial system is a favourite pastime of the press here.

Update: ABC News are now reporting that police are gathering evidence to pursue manslaughter charges against the pilots.

[Edited 2007-10-24 06:33:42]
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RE: Garuda Crash Investigation: Pilot Error

Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:34 pm

Update: ABC News are now reporting that police are gathering evidence to pursue manslaughter charges against the pilots.
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RE: Garuda Crash Investigation: Pilot Error

Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:28 pm

People and governments need to understand the following things:
1. An Accident Investigation is to find out what happened, what went wrong, and how to prevent such a repeat.
2. A Criminal Investigation is to find out what happened, what went wrong, and who is responsible.

The NTSC report shall NEVER apportion blame if it is to comply with Annex 13 of ICAO. This report seems to have a long list of safety recommendations, perhaps the longest by the NTSC to date.

Now, I think the GoAustralia is a bit too quick in asking Indonesia in bringing those responsible to the courts. After the accident investigation is complete, the criminal investigations can now begin (the police did try to investigate before under presidential order to see whether a terrorist act was committed, but upon finding none, they went on to commence criminal investigations which outraged everyone!).

The Jogjakarta police is now conducting its investigations. Experts are calling for an objective investigations, and must not contravene the nation's aviation law (ie: the police cannot force the NTSC to assist, only the court can).

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RE: Garuda Crash Investigation: Pilot Error

Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:32 pm

Quoting Allrite (Reply 6):
Australian newspapers are expressing a lot of outrage (eg one survivor's piece) over the decision not to charge the pilot. Then again, criticising the Indonesian judicial system is a favourite pastime of the press here.

After the Haneef effort, while our court was just fine, the DPP and Fed police need to lift their game. The Indonesian court system will by and large do much better without Downer blowing in the ear of GoIndonesia. Do they want GoIndia telling them how to compensate Haneef?

The recent mercury poisoning case in N Sulawesi seemed to mark a patch of sanity in the Indonesian court efforts so maybe they are on the mend. It has been known that amalgamation and retorting of the mercury gold amalgam on the banks next to rice paddies was a health issue for close to 30 years!!

It looks as if the Indonesian police will move without any assistance from Aus thank you very much.

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