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Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:01 am

Hey guys,

Just had an interesting question I thought I'd ask. On two of my flights to and from China, one being ICN-PEK and one being PEK-ORD, both times, Chinese passengers stood up in the aircraft while the plane had just touched down on the runway and started to collect their things from the overhead bins, only to be told over the PA system to sit down. While the Korean Air route, ICN-PEK was rather mild in their comments, on the way back, on UA from PEK to ORD, when we landed in ORD, the flight attendants were downright mad about it and screamed at several passengers as they quickly got out of their seats and ran to sit the passengers down. The Chinese gentlemen right behind me got a good lashing in English out of the UA flight attendant as he jerked the backpack from the guys hands and yelled at him.

Is it normal for Chinese passengers to do this?

The only other weird thing that happened, but went unoticed was on an AA 777 landing from ZHR in DFW when I was returning from Rome, a, what seemed to be a Latino child (was speaking Spanish) was standing up in his seat the ENTIRE final approach. Was really funny to see this kid fly up in the air a bit when our captain threw up the spoilers full blast to knock us down a few hundred feet.

(I actually came across our captain and asked him what the spoiler thing was about at baggage claim, because it we dropped so fast and people gasped as we dropped. He said DFW tower had changed some things up on them and we had to decend really fast in order to stay on approach).

Anyway, I've also flown in and out of HKG to and from the US and no one seemed to stand up on those flights, as I can remember).

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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:46 am

different cultures i guess, but still safety is safety. i remember one time i was on flight 932, the plane was pushing back and sitting in the last row of biz 15A, i could see the flight attendant walk toward the economy cabin and say "Excuze me ma'am, you need to immediatly sit down or this plane will be stopped immediatly" on another incident on united, we are pushing back and a passenger stood up again and walked, till she was yelled at by the flight attendants.
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:53 am

Last week I was on a Qantas Flight out of Sydney, we were well into the Taxi when some guy gets out of his seat and walks back to the toilet. He was tackled by 2 FAs and shoved into a spare seat in the last row. the FAs literally had enough time to go back to their seats as the takeoff roll commenced.

The icing on the cake was that this idiot had the nerve to have a go at one of the FAs later in the flight, stating how rude they had been. If not for their intervention he would have been standing at take off.

It may be more prevalent in certain areas/cultures but stupidity is universal.

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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:04 am

I was on a Qantas flight a few weeks back and after we had touched down, a guy gets up to get his stuff from the overhead. The flight attendant yelled from her seat in the galley "You HAVE to sit down!". Everyone turned around and the guy turned bright red before frantically trying to do his seatbelt up. Shame them, I say! It's not like they weren't told.
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:43 am

Yes it's completely normal on some Asian routes. (Japanese, Korean, HK & Singaporean are exceptions - from my experience)
Also, on final, many Chinese start talking on the cellphone. It's like the gear down signal is the right to do anything.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:55 am

I have flown Chinese domestic flights over 200 times and you see it every so often. If I learned anything during my 2 years living/working in China it's that there is no character in the Chinese language for "patience". I see it as part of the charm of their culture.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:57 am

I suppose this is pretty common in some parts of the world, not just the Chinese, I have seen Indians, Thais, Indonesians, Filipinos and Middle Easterners doing it often.

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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:54 am

It's not only the passengers. On one flight I had with Air Koryo (not China, I know, but its neighbour), the cabin staff were walking up and down the aisle during the entire period of taxiing and take-off, including the rotation. They didn't find it easy to keep walking, but they did.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting QF772 (Reply 2):
Last week I was on a Qantas Flight out of Sydney, we were well into the Taxi when some guy gets out of his seat and walks back to the toilet. He was tackled by 2 FAs and shoved into a spare seat in the last row. the FAs literally had enough time to go back to their seats as the takeoff roll commenced.

The icing on the cake was that this idiot had the nerve to have a go at one of the FAs later in the flight, stating how rude they had been. If not for their intervention he would have been standing at take off.

It may be more prevalent in certain areas/cultures but stupidity is universal.

Happens all the time particularly with Chinese... not sure what the deal is there (and yes the ones I am talking about are definantly Chinese). I saw a Chinese man standup in Ezone on a 744 just as it turned onto the runway and began to powerup for takeoff... and of course because he didn't understand English he ignored the crews instructions and found it very hard to keep standing straight!
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:38 am

Not trying to over-generalize, but I think that's just common in Asia.

On recent trips I've taken from Singapore to Jakarta and Bangkok, and between Bangkok and Chiang Mai, in both directions, passengers were standing up in the aisles and removing bags from the overhead bins before the plane even stopped rolling into the gate. The crew didn't even bat an eye at it - they acted as if it was normal, which it sounds like it is.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:00 am

I doubt that there ever was an MEA flight that landed in Beirut without passengers standing up to remove belongings from the bins prior to the plane stopping.

Also not exactly the same but on Air Koryo flights during takeoff and landing, due to the lack of assigned seats, the cabin crew is either walking around or holding to a strap or an overhead bin (or at least they used to).
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:09 am

Odd that I read this today. Because well i was on a US Airways flight from KPHX to KLAX and 19 Chinese, non english speakers were on the flight. They just took any seat, all over the aircraft. So the flight attendants finally just said to the other passengers, "sorry, we need to go, just find an open seat."

But what I found odd, and coincidently reading this, was because we were like 15 miles of KLAX, and one of the chinese guys gets up to go the restroom. I had never seen anything like this and was quite shocked, guess it's common after reading this thread.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:19 am

I would have to say that this behavior transcends cultural lines with the most recent experience I can recall on a LH flight (FRA-LOS-ACC). As we touched down in LOS a passenger in the very last row got up (caucasian female) to which a crew member made an annoucement over the PA "Ma'am what you are doing is very unsafe, please sit down" and repeated it in German...i guess different strokes for different folks!
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:48 am

Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
Is it normal for Chinese passengers to do this?

I'm not surprised at all.
I've flown 5 times domestic in China (China Eastern and Dragonair) and it was the same except that the F/A said nothing!
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:04 am

Well...Dragionair cabin crews kept telling chinese people to SIT DOWN and forcing them to sit down after the door closed.

On AS from YVR to LAX, i was shocked to see a chinese old man (from another seat) ran back to his own seat where his wife was when our plane MD80 approaching to the runway. Two cabin crews ran to catch him and thought that he was going to hijack the plane cos he was going to the flight deck door. But he already sat down on his seat with his wife already. LOL!
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:09 am

This has happened on a few transatlantic flights I've been on, but I can't say there have been any cultural connotations, as the people involved appeared to have been Scandinavian or British. Only common denominator is that they were all women.

Lucky that nobody stood up during landing on my last flight into ORD a few weeks ago. The A340 braked so hard that I, with my face up against the window, slammed it pretty hard into the seat in front of me. The reason for the hard braking became clear to me as we turned of 27L right before 32L intersects it, and I could see an American Eagle ERJ was in the process of taking off from that runway.

Would have been interesting to see what that kind of deceleration would have done to someone standing up, though.  silly 

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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:32 am

I don't think it has something to do with the culture or nationality. First: Stupidity is an world-wide phenomena. Second: As more and more people can fly due cheaper prices and higher availability more and more people fly for the first time and have no clue what is appropriate or safe and what not. Probably many of these people we are talking in this thread took a train or bus before.

So I think airlines really need to rethink how to take care of such people. I think besides the security instructions they need to show some "How to behave on a plane"-instructions, too.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:44 am

It always seems to me that passengers believe the safety element involved in flying only applies between wheels leaving the ground and touching the ground. I have seen it numerous times here in the UK. The most annoying thing is once the cabin is secure and you pass on the secure to the captain. The capatian can now make decisions based on the fact his cabin is secure, he does not have a rear view mirror to see the case has changed. Passengers getting up and wandering about, even to the toilet without warning just as you are about to turn onto the runway has seen me having to call flightdeck or bellow down the cabin. What is quite good is the fact a lot of the time the flightdeck listen in on our PA's so if they hear you shout a command they sometimes give the brakes a nice little tap, just to give the passenger a nice little warning lol.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:53 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 4):
Japanese, Korean, HK & Singaporean are exceptions

Yes, this reminds me of something but about a month ago, I was on a JL B773 from CTS-ITM and a passenger fell ill just before we started our decent into ITM. There was an announcement for all passengers to be remain seated until the rescue crew came in and took him out. Everyone was silent when the plane got to the gate and nobody (not even one) person unfastened their seat-belt until this man was carried out of the plane.

Similar thing happened a couple years ago on a flight from KIX-PEK. Everyone stood up, and while the rescue crew tried to come, the cabin looked like a packed subway line in Tokyo during Rush-Hour. Then, everyone stampeded out first, and the poor gentleman was the second last to get off the plane with rescue crew (the last one was me as I decided to wait).
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:57 am

i noticed that while travelling on many chinese domestic flights, that the chinese want to be OFF the plane in a hurry. it was safer just to sit there while they mauraded towards the door.
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:31 pm

It's also a matter of education and development of civic sense. While economies grow at a fast clip, it doesn't mean that a population modernizes at the same rate.

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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:41 pm

remember that video of the CI 738 fire and evacuation and the passengers escaping with their hand luggage!
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:55 pm

My feeling is let them all hurry, I'll relax and take it easy. Everyone will be standing around the luggage carousel anyway so why rush?
I'm going to fly China domestic this winter, If I see pax standing up during final approach or on taxi roll , I'll take video or pics of it. At least Chinese airlines serve meals on 2 hour flights, so how bad can it be?
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:15 pm

I recently flew China Southern internally within China and on touch down a FA came and got 2 passengers out of their seats, got their bags and took them up the front. We had only just touched down with reverse thrusters doing there thing and it prompted a number of people to get up and start getting their bags as well before we even turned off the runway.

No one said a word. A fly quite a lot in Asia (6 or so flights per month) mostly on SQ and have never seen it happen on a SQ flight so I don't think it is really a general Asian thing. Haven't flown domestic within Thailand or Indonesia so could be wrong.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:20 pm

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 13):

I'm not surprised at all.
I've flown 5 times domestic in China (China Eastern and Dragonair) and it was the same except that the F/A said nothing!

Maybe the Chinese FA won't loose their job if word gets back to the wrong person, but the AA one would? Think of all that precious senority right down the toilet!

Years ago the lady I was travelling with went running to the toilet as we were taxying out to the runway. The FAs were extremely pissed off, and we lost our position in the takeoff line, but the lady I was travelling with was in there vomitting for five minutes or so! I don't think the other pax and crew would like to have to spend several hours on the plane after she barfed all over the place!
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:30 pm

Clearly such pax may put themselves at great risk of injury or even death if the a/c had to do a panic stop on the runway or taxiway. Probably people who do this are either ignorant of the policy as more familiar with trains or busses where one can stand or be in the aisle at any time or intentionally ignoring the rules as they think they can be an exception. Some may be in such a hurry to get to customs/immigration, to transfer to another flight and may have tight time limits or to get a train or taxi to their final destination so want to save a minute or 2 by getting their overhead language.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:31 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
Is it normal for Chinese passengers to do this?

Yes!
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:00 pm

Have experianced this on several flights to RIX (Riga, Latvia) They do not like to obey instructions given to them. Had to learn the Latvian and Russian for 'Stop' and 'Get down' to help me get them back in their seats.

Have also had several Aussie guys trying to go to the toilet while taxiing in LHR. The captain announced we may be a few minutes waiting so they thought this gave them enough time to head 10 rows back to the loo. Too long in the bar before boarding methinks!!!

Quoting ACEregular (Reply 17):
What is quite good is the fact a lot of the time the flightdeck listen in on our PA's so if they hear you shout a command they sometimes give the brakes a nice little tap, just to give the passenger a nice little warning lol.

I like that. Several years ago in LHR I took great pleasure in watching 12-15 business pax falling over each other as we stopped on stand with a jolt. We stopped to be towed onstand,the captain announced this, I was standing telling them to get back in their seats (I was anchored in case of a jolt) and they were not doing so. Cruel maybe but sometimes pax need to be reminded that rules are there to keep them safe.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:23 pm

Ive noticed this with other non-western cultures.....also having had some exprience with Chinese....they just do what they feel like doing. I took a uni class that was 95% Chinese and Indian...there were about 200 people in the lecture hall. All durin gthe lectures, they would just socialize with one another and not pay any attention to the lecturer.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting Kdm (Reply 23):
China Southern internally within China

I have flown CZ from SYX to HKG last year. There were passengers who haven't fasten their seat belts until the MD80 reaches the runway at SYX. Similarly, there were passengers who go to the toilet just prior to landing. Sadly, these people are the teachers of an international school in Hong Kong who were traveling with the kids. Needless to say, the kids didn't have their seatbelt fastened on landing!

CZ crew don't seem to care about anything. They are mostly young skinny ladies (recruited from the airline's beauty contest?), and considering that violence break out quite easily in China when passengers are distressed, what can they do?!
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:45 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 4):
Also, on final, many Chinese start talking on the cellphone.

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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:01 pm

Quoting Cchan (Reply 29):
and considering that violence break out quite easily in China when passengers are distressed, what can they do?!

CX crew never seem to have any trouble keeping order. I've often seen pax (mostly Chinese, in fairness) leaping out of their seats and lunging for the overhead bins at the very instant the wheels touch the runway, and without exception on CX they are bellowed (very politely, but very firmly) back into their seats by the nearest FA.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:48 pm

I can vouch for this too. I was on a flight at Christmas time on a PER-SIN-ICN-YVR routing with SQ. As you could guess there was a significant Asian and East Asian (sub-continent) population on board.

Anyway, upon touchdown at YVR, a couple of Indian guys immediately stood up and went for their hand luggage in the overhead bins. Well Miss Singapore Girl charged down the isle, and very, very firmly asked them to return to their seats.

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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:54 pm

Some years ago I was on a DC9 flight into Padang in Sumatera and as usual a flock of local passengers were up long before we got to the gate. As the brakes went on at the gate, part of the roof lining fell on their heads. It did not hurt them, but it ended up with about 15 passengers all trying to hold up the "roof". The net effect was like a upside down centipede. Very funny for those who had stayed in their seats.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:31 pm

This happens also in Mexico, on most flights you will allways have at least 1 passenger stand up before the plane arrives to the gate!.........the "politeness" level from the FA's asking for people to sit down varies greatly from one flight to another

Once on a WN flight from SAN to LAS upon arrival and while still taxiing to the gate people started standing up and gathering their stuff from the overhead bins, the lead FA made and anouncement like "Welcome to Las Vegas.....whoever stands up first will help us unload the bags from the plane".......chuckles all around but NOBODY stood up again untill the seatbelt sign had been turned off.......the most effective annoucement I have ever hear on a plane.
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:39 pm

Yeah, I've flown Korean Air 9 times. I'd say 5 of those flights I've experienced ppl get up while we taxi to the gate (tends to be the older people usually 40+). I've never seen a person get up during landing (thank goodness!) I was in Economy (coach) each time. I never understood why...nervousness? impatience? pride? Who knows. Sometimes I've wanted to smack them down into their seats but then I'd be out of my seat with the sign on...hahaha.  banghead  I really hoped the captain would stop the plane on the taxiway and ask those dorks to sit down.

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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:44 pm

Quoting ACEregular (Reply 17):
PA's so if they hear you shout a command they sometimes give the brakes a nice little tap, just to give the passenger a nice little warning lol.

haha if i was a pilot and i heard people up and about when they are told to remain seated i would do that also!!

I can sort of understand some people doing this, if their claustraphobic and scared of flying, the last thing you want to do is spend more time in an aircraft!! Its silly and plain stupid!!

I however have the great experience everytime i fly into MIA of the rush. Everyone normally stays in their seat but were all ready to jump at the first sign to grab bags and head to immigration!! The last thing you really want to do is get stuck behind 250 passengers all heading for immigration at MIA. Normally no matter how fast you rush, its always full there!!
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:15 pm

I arrived in SFO on a Philippine Airlines flight years ago, and the Customs boarded the plane as soon as the door was opened and DEMANDED everyone hold up the I-94 or immigration card Filled Out. About half had it done, and so he got on the PA and said that until EVERYONE had a completed card, NO ONE, NO ONE AT ALL would be allowed to deplane! Even us citizens in first. He was so pissed, and was ragging the purser about making sure the forms were done prior to landing, as Philippine pax in general show up in line and try to do the cards while waiting to clear, thus causing a backup because some forgot/lost passports, others don't know the date, or flight details, or just think the agent will lovingly smile and take it and do it for them. I have a feeling PAL makes it a top priority now to get this done post haste.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:21 pm

When I flew from PRG to YYZ in 1993 with a CSA A310. I got up as soon as the plane touched down. Of course the flight attendat told me to "Be seated" but I didn't understand, so she came to me and sat me down, put my seatbelt on and I was very quiet until I got off the plane. I had no idea that I am not allowed to stand. Why is that? Well a few reasons:

1. I was 11 years old
2. I couldn't speak English
3. My parents didn't say "Sit down"
4. The F/As never told me and if they did I didn't understand

So in my case, I should either blame my parents for not informing me, or blame the crew for properly instructing people not to stand during taxi. (Special briefing just like it would be with someone's who's deaf)
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:23 pm

I've found the least stressful way to deplane is simply to sit quietly and read or something until the aircraft is about 80% empty. In the end, you will get off about 19 seconds later than if you fought your way in the aisle with all the rest of the people. It isn't just planes either. On the Greyhound I've seen people who aren't even Chinese lurch their way back to the terlit when the bus is roaring along at up to sixty miles-per-hour! No one to save them either. Anyway, group queuing-waiting behaviour - fascinating study. Also fascinating: the ongoing hopeless struggle to control it.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:30 pm

That's a solid strategy - but whenever I come to/from SVO or KBP, getting to Customs is like a little war of who can walk faster, and which old lady and shove more enemies out of the way in the fight to clear Customs quickly (and not wait in a 1+ hour line at Sheremetyevo customs). if I wait until the plane is 80% empty, I'm basically saying "hey, i want to waste two hours in a customs line"

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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:05 pm

Quoting BigTom (Reply 6):
I suppose this is pretty common in some parts of the world, not just the Chinese, I have seen Indians, Thais, Indonesians, Filipinos and Middle Easterners doing it often.

Cheers

Everyone does it. I have seen it in the U.S. also especially when some idiot tries to push you out of the way to get out of the plane. As if he/she has a bus to catch in the next min. Different cultures behave in different ways. Let's not make one part of the world look any worse than the other. Frankly I can tolerate someone standing up than sit next to my fellow country men aka fat Americans on a cross country flight to the West Coast. So let's not make this into a session where we are so "superior" than the rest of the world chat... we all have our vices - some more annoying than others!
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:12 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 28):
Ive noticed this with other non-western cultures.....also having had some exprience with Chinese....they just do what they feel like doing. I took a uni class that was 95% Chinese and Indian...there were about 200 people in the lecture hall. All durin gthe lectures, they would just socialize with one another and not pay any attention to the lecturer.

I bet the lecturer was some smart Chinese or Indian! Apparently that works since majority of the Asians including Chinese and Indians are at the top of most schools and colleges in the U.S. So may be we should learn something from them... you know what they do when you are getting drunk on a Friday night? Studying! This is such a stupid statement. Both the Chinese and Indian civilizations have been around from the dawn of civilization and all of a sudden we in the West are sooooooooooooo superior to everyone! All cultures have their flaws including our oh so special Western culture!
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:50 pm

Had a similar situation with Chinese passengers a couple of months back. However, this was obviously a language and experience issue. There were two incidents, one during boarding and one during taxi after landing.

During boarding, the usual pre-boarding call was made and a whole group of Chinese passengers leapt up into line. They were nicely told that they weren't boarding yet and could all sit down. They got out of the way, but most of them didn't sit down. Quite clear they didn't understand what was being said.

Upon landing, the same group all jumped up again just moments after the plane slowed after reaching the pad close to the terminal, but quite a way from our gate. They were quite forcefully told to sit down this time.

What I noticed in both cases was that they all appeared to be looking toward and following one member of their party for signals/directions on what to do. I'd guess this was the supposed English speaker - but obviously this person wasn't any more experienced at airline travel and/or English than the rest.

Different cultures certainly do behave differently. What may appear rude and obnoxious to me is quite acceptable to someone else. As for the previous response to the post on the lecture hall, don't turn this into a racial superiority incident. Behaviours vary amongst cultures in some very definite patterns and will create culture clashes - don't make it about racism just because the cultural and racial/ethnic backgrounds happen to overlap in a very homgenous way.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:53 pm

Being a Chinese, I can probably attest that the above mentioned inicident does seem to happen frequently among Chinese passengers when it comes to air travel. Honestly I feel a bit embarressed when I see one myself. But I kind of understand where all this is coming from. Air travel is still a relatively new thing to many Chinese passengers. Despite the fact that the economy is booming and people becoming richer day by day, few, relative to the sheer size of the population, have the luxury to travel by air regularly. Many are simply at a loss what the appropriate behaviors should be inside the cabin of an airplane. I've even heard stories of passengers attempting to open the cabin door during taxi so as to "get some fresh air". Like many of our fellow A-netters have correctly mentioned, language and cultural differences may exacerbate the problem if the inexperienced passenger is traveling abroad, giving the impression that Chinese passengers are rude and inconsiderate. But once you get to know them and explain to them what's expected of an airline passenger, as I have on several occasions, chances are most will learn the lesson immediately and make every attempt to avoid similar embarressment in the future.
I do not know if there is a short term fix to such problem. But I have every reason to believe that in time things will turn for the better as more and more people experience air travel first hand and more frequently, and as more and more people start to learn English. I am lookigg forward to the day when air travel, both domestic and international, reaches the masses in China, but until that day we will always see some odd cases popping up here and there which will give us something exra to talk about them on Anet.  Smile
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:42 pm

I had personally seen the same on a Gol flight arriving to POA... I guess this kind of behavior is wide spread amongst every culture. As some A netters have said: "stupidity is a worldwide phenomena". You will find the same thing in any South American destination.

I think that for some reason there are people you seriously think that they are "ahead of the game" at doing this... but in reality it shows lack of good behavior and courtesy to others. I just cannot believe some people do not realize they are not going anywhere until the door is open anyways. Same for those who jump into the elevator before people can get off...

Quoting ACEregular (Reply 17):
What is quite good is the fact a lot of the time the flightdeck listen in on our PA's so if they hear you shout a command they sometimes give the brakes a nice little tap, just to give the passenger a nice little warning lol.



That is something I would love to see... Big grin

Quoting Comorin (Reply 20):
It's also a matter of education and development of civic sense. While economies grow at a fast clip, it doesn't mean that a population modernizes at the same rate.

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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:59 pm

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 36):
I however have the great experience everytime i fly into MIA of the rush. Everyone normally stays in their seat but were all ready to jump at the first sign to grab bags and head to immigration!! The last thing you really want to do is get stuck behind 250 passengers all heading for immigration at MIA. Normally no matter how fast you rush, its always full there!!

This is why you spend 20 minutes in the flight deck speaking with the pilots. By the time you get to customs and immigration, it's deserted, and your bag will already be waiting for you at the baggage claim.  Smile
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:00 pm

Had an experience along this line a few years ago on BA LHR-EWR. Immediately after takeoff (and I mean, 2-3 seconds after rotation) an elderly looking lady got up & stormed off to the closest toilet. The closest FA got up immediately & off the top of my head, we 'levelled' off much faster than usual than on a normal takeoff & one of the pilots came on the PA and reminded everyone to remain seated until the signs were switched off. The poor lady must have been pretty airsick, because when she finally made it back to her seat, she didn't move for the rest of the flight.
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:07 pm

Have seen standing during take off on internal russian flight on both SU & S7, they just held on to a seatback for support, FAs just ignored them...
 
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RE: Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway

Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:38 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 46):
This is why you spend 20 minutes in the flight deck speaking with the pilots. By the time you get to customs and immigration, it's deserted, and your bag will already be waiting for you at the baggage claim

yeah if only!! have you flown with AA recently?? they seem to have no time for anybody on those flights. They want to get through and on their way home!! plus if you get AA flt 57 that is just arriving before the other big flights then you DO want to get off first.... Waiting 20 mins will just make it worse!! need like 2 hours!!

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