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QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:23 pm

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Qatar Airways has again pushed back delivery of its first Airbus A380s and will place into service its first ultra-large-aircraft in 2012.

The airline's chief executive Akbar Al Baker says delivery of the first aircraft has been delayed from 2010 to 2012 because the carrier does not want take the aircraft at the same time as it moves to Doha's new international airport.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ays-pushes-back-a380s-to-2012.html

Probably a wise devision to de-connect these two events, plus it gives them another two years to grow traffic. Nice side-effect for Airbus: more slots available in 2010, either for new customers or for existing.
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:11 pm

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Probably a wise devision to de-connect these two events, plus it gives them another two years to grow traffic. Nice side-effect for Airbus: more slots available in 2010, either for new customers or for existing.

That is wierd. I worked in the new airport, and according to schedule, the NEW DOHA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT is scheduled to be operation by the end of 2009/mid-2010... Defering the A380 delieveries to 2012 doesn't make sense--as the new Airport is designed and built using A380 specifications (both runways, and at least 6 gates in Phase One and Two, are designed to accomodate the A380.
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:21 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Defering the A380 delieveries to 2012 doesn't make sense--as the new Airport is designed and built using A380 specifications (both runways, and at least 6 gates in Phase One and Two, are designed to accomodate the A380.

The issue does not appear to be that the new airport cannot take the A380, but that QR does not want to try and integrate A380 operations into their schedule as they shift their existing operations over to the new facility.
 
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:30 pm

Does this mean Virgin may now take these slots?
 
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:38 pm

I guess that's where EK will pick up the earlier deliveries that was rumoured last week. Good news for Airbus in some ways because it could help the A350 negotiations if it is true that they will benefit from these slots.
 
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:25 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
The issue does not appear to be that the new airport cannot take the A380, but that QR does not want to try and integrate A380 operations into their schedule as they shift their existing operations over to the new facility.

Well, I can see operational challenges at a new facility being an issue for a few weeks or months, but for two years? I simply do not see that as being the core issue, but rather window-dressing.
 
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:32 pm

77QR delays delivery of A380s again due to no idea of how they will use them...  Wink

Seriously, when I heard they delayed the first time, it only made sense then as well because QR bought a plane they aren't big enough to need, in sort of a "me too" thing.

I wonder how many of the A350 and 787s and 777s will be deferred in the future?
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:09 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
I wonder how many of the A350 and 787s and 777s will be deferred in the future?

Well their first 777 is out at PAE right now. Looks pretty sharp.
 
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:03 pm

QR delayed because they realized they can't fill the seats they currently have - so why buy more ?
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:07 pm

Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 8):
QR delayed because they realized they can't fill the seats they currently have - so why buy more ?

They just ordered more A380s. All the QR flights I've taken have been full, and their pax numbers show very strong growth. On what basis are you claiming they can't fill their planes?
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
On what basis are you claiming they can't fill their planes?

Presumably because they aren't American and they've not ordered the B748.
 
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:35 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
They just ordered more A380s. All the QR flights I've taken have been full, and their pax numbers show very strong growth. On what basis are you claiming they can't fill their planes?

Yes and what flights would they be ?. Perhaps as a chief test pilot, I would imagine all the seats in the cockpit would be full. Ever look in the back of the plane ?

QR needs A380's like sand needs water.
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:40 pm

Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 11):
Yes and what flights would they be ?.

The numerous long-haul and regional flights I've taken with them over the last 4 years. How many times have you flown QR?

You are welcome to offer any evidence you have to support your claim that they can't sell their seats.

Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 11):
Perhaps as a chief test pilot, I would imagine all the seats in the cockpit would be full. Ever look in the back of the plane ?

Test pilots tend not to fly scheduled services. wink 
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:51 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 12):
Test pilots tend not to fly scheduled services.

Exactly
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
and their pax numbers show very strong growth.

Hmmmm - thought they were already full -

Every statement you make contradicts the previous one.
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:14 pm

I don't care much for the argument but it is theoretically (and maybe probably actually) full or near-full load factors coupled with new physical capital (aircraft) that are also operating at full or near-full loads which allows for growth in terms of passenger numbers.
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 14):
Every statement you make contradicts the previous one.

As opposed to your statements who are a clear example of rational,proffesional and knowledgable piece
of opinion giving???

It seems you're only trying to convince yourself with that kind of trashtalk
 
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 14):
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
and their pax numbers show very strong growth.

Hmmmm - thought they were already full -

Even if every flight was full (which I never claimed, just the ones I have taken), fleet growth (as in more planes) would account for pax growth. It's easy to understand really.  wave 

Now, how many QR flights have you taken, and what's your evidence that they can't sell their seats?
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:18 pm

Every QR flight I've been on has been packed. I don't think filling seats will be an issue.

The current airport is seriously over extended. That place is a zoo.
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:38 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17):
Even if every flight was full (which I never claimed, just the ones I have taken), fleet growth (as in more planes) would account for pax growth. It's easy to understand really.

Qatar Airways carried 6.3 million passengers and will exceed 8 million during 2006-2007.
High load factors are not necessarily desirable - How much each passenger pays is also important.
In an environment where there is no-one to answer to - all figures and plans must be taken with the utmost skepticism (kids in a toy store).

8 million passengers is a drop in the bucket. Kinda like the 4 person family with 6 cars - the car is always full because they only use 1 at a time.
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 19):
Qatar Airways carried 6.3 million passengers and will exceed 8 million during 2006-2007.

First you say they can't sell seats, now you're saying they have about 30% growth.  confused 

One of these accounts for why they have over 100 planes on order. wink 
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:28 am

I think his quote says it all people:

"10% is the best we can do"

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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:03 am

Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 8):
QR delayed because they realized they can't fill the seats they currently have - so why buy more ?

So are you a QR insider? I guess not.  Yeah sure


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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:44 am

Apparently QR are full because of the numerous posters on here flying them regularly. Smile
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
So are you a QR insider? I guess not.

That guy got banned for making stupid/incorrect/racist comments. He got under my skin too but I just started ignoring his drivel.

Quoting Qantas787 (Reply 23):
Apparently QR are full because of the numerous posters on here flying them regularly.

Hey I'm doing my part. 8 sectors this year and they don't even fly to Canada!

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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:29 pm

What impact will this have on the existing fleet?
 
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RE: QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:13 pm

Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 11):
Ever look in the back of the plane ?

Let's look at a secondary airport as they might be more of a "struggle" to fill than a "major" airport serving a capital ciry: MAN. August 2007 = about 17000 passengers = about 275 per flight. Don't know exact loads given it's a mix of A332 and A333, and what the 2-class configuations are. September was 14000 passengers or 233 per flight. Not too concerned about 3000 fewer passngers as EK's passengers at MAN dropped as well; however, this did represent a 13% rise.

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