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Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:19 am

With the addition of Bay Area/Central California Aviation Thread (by Copaair737 Oct 25 2007 in Civil Aviation) us in SoCal should not be left out. The cutoff point could be SBP. If you are SBP or north, you can belong to the "Northern California Thread", but south of SBP, you can post here.

The SBA-SMF/SAN service starts Veterans Day, and fares are $79.00 each way for most flights. Also, with the new annoucement for OO to retire some of the E120's, what do you think will happen to markets like SMX or OXR that only have 5 120 flights a day to one destination (LAX). If they pull out, those two example airports will not even have daily airline service. Or what about markets like SAN, SBA, and PSP; will the reduction in 120's mean reduction in frequency?

Could the reduction in 120's also mean mainline flights from ONT-SFO or ORD?

Any other topics welcome!
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:23 am

Nice to see there are now 2 California threads  Smile

I can't wait to see how the XJet service between SBA and SMF does, I think it will be a winner.

FAT-LGB will be good too.
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:25 am

Once the new terminal has been built at SBA, I can see some mainline service returning.
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:31 am

Is the new terminal going to replace or augment the current terminal? The current terminal is pretty unique.
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:44 am

The new terminal will be at least twice as big and keep the current "old" style spanish design. It says the old terminal will remain open until the new one is ready to use.

http://future.flysba.com/
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:59 pm

"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
 
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:46 pm

How are the Horizon flights between LAX and Santa Rosa doing?

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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:14 pm

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 6):

Pretty inexpensive at $69.89 each way. This is a kind of route that will either be a very strong full every flight or a flight that does very poor. Just depends on a lot of things.
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:03 pm

I'm pissed that Rialto is closing. There's not much there, but it's a largish airport, and great for multiple touch-and-goes.
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):

How far is Miro from Palm Springs (I think Rialto is also called Miro field, if not har far is the actual Miro Field from Palm Springs)?
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:19 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 9):
How far is Miro from Palm Springs

It's roughly 40 statute miles.

I did CCB-TRM for the long leg of my solo cross country in a 152, and that took me about 50 minutes.
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:54 pm

I have been wondering the same things about the 120s going away. LAX-SNA, ONT, PSP, OXR, SAN, and BFL will probably be affected. I doubt that UA will keep up the current LAX-SAN schedule using RJs. Or are there going to still be enough 120s to keep all this?
 
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:18 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Thread starter):
what do you think will happen to markets like SMX or OXR that only have 5 120 flights a day to one destination (LAX). If they pull out, those two example airports will not even have daily airline service. Or what about markets like SAN, SBA, and PSP; will the reduction in 120's mean reduction in frequency?

What I can see happening is replacing Brasilias with CRJs to the bigger destinations and moving the remaining Brasilias to the smaller ones.

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 2):
Once the new terminal has been built at SBA, I can see some mainline service returning.

They don't need a new terminal to have mainline service. They just need carriers willing to do it.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 3):
Is the new terminal going to replace or augment the current terminal? The current terminal is pretty unique.

AFAIK, the old terminal is a historical building and can't be demolished, so they may as well use it.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 10):


I did CCB-TRM for the long leg of my solo cross country in a 152, and that took me about 50 minutes.

I don't think Cable will go anywhere.
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:39 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
I don't think Cable will go anywhere.

Cable is one of the few airports where the city and surrounding communities actually want it to be there. Also, the cities of Upland and Claremont have made people sign waivers since around the mid 80's, IIRC.


There are a few NIMBY's in the area, but they only come out during the airshows.
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:41 am

There seems to be alot of expansion going on at LAX. UA announced several new routes and increased frequency. DL is still trying to gain some sort of foothold there as well. Meanwhile AA is still maintaining its mainline presence there while doing away with alot of RJ and Sabb service. That reminds me: do any of you know how LAX-NRT/LHR preform for AA? They both face stiff compeition and I never hear much about them.

One thing that always comes to mind is how I wonder what airport is going to be the official relief for LAX. BUR is too small as is SNA (and both have NIMBY regulations), ONT suffers from a bad locale for people who want to come to most areas of LA. I always hear talk of how LAX needs to be relieved, but the question is: Which airport is best fit for it?
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting XJET (Reply 11):
LAX-SNA, ONT, PSP, OXR, SAN, and BFL will probably be affected.

LAX-SNA and LAX-ONT are ending in January, whether it is connected to Brasilias leaving or not.
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:33 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):
I'm pissed that Rialto is closing

When is this happening? I lived seven years in Rialto. My older brother had flight training in High School at the airport. They use to have the same type of Grumman as George Bush flew back in WWII at the field. I use to stare through the fence at it as a kid.

Do you remember the episodes of Chips that were filmed there? Monster Garage filmed there also.
 
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 16):
When is this happening?

I'm not sure, but it's going to happen soon. Basically, the city of Rialto decided to do this because the FAA was going to come down on them pretty hard for using the airport for many, many ventures that made revenue for the city, including the aforementioned Monster Garage, and drag racing---or as the FAA calls it, non-aviation uses, which goes against the AIP funding.
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
They don't need a new terminal to have mainline service. They just need carriers willing to do it.

I didn't say that. I specifically said "returning", and the new terminal (with boarding bridges and baggage carousals) will most likely help to the fact if SBA ever sees mainline service again.
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:43 am

Does anyone think there will ever be a major airline based (read = not hubbed) in LA? It seems that most major Cities, with the exception of Miami and Boston, have a 'hometown' airline. I would love to have a 'hometown' airline here in LA.

Damn, LA Xpress is already taken...
 
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
Which airport is best fit for it?

Well, I think it would've been El Toro...
 
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RE: Southern California Aviation Thread

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:08 pm

Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 19):

LAX does better as a focus city for multiple airlines than a huge base for one.
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