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Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:47 pm

Morning,

with the recent buyout of GB airways could easyjet be preparing to enter MAN in the not too distant future?
also with the acquired aircraft be painted in EZY colours?

MAN really needs a carrier like easyjet, MAN is currently in abit of a mess and needs something to change....

interesting times ahead...

PS. maybe being alittle biased due to MAN is my home airport!

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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:55 pm

Surely U2 into MAN is inevitable anyway, with the GT acquisition...
 
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:19 pm

I don't see it happening and would expect the GB Airways flights from MAN being discontinued from the end of March 08. easyJet has always taken the view that their LPL base sufficently covers the Northwest of England. Plus if easyJet had wanted to into MAN, I think they would have done so by now...

If easyJet moved into MAN, airlines like Jet2 and BMI Baby would be in big trouble. But I don't think any of the airlines have an appitite for a price war on existing routes, and does MAN really need any further capacity to the likes of Spain?

These are good airlines but easyJet really knows how to run a LCC airline and make routes viable which other LCC struggle to fly!
 
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:03 pm

If U2 started MAN, it would be curtains for most of their current low costers. With sizeable competition from the Jet2, bmi baby and Flybe hubs, plus all the other LCCs, Ryanair, Helvetic, Air Southwest, Air Berlin, Aer Arran and all the Scheduled/Charters to the med, Mytravel, First Choice, XL, Thomsonfly, Thomas Cook, Monarch...

It wouldn't be in the interest of the U2 or other airlines or the airport to start a price war.
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:40 pm

I agree its not the best option for U2 to move into MAN - however, I feel this is only the first of take overs between LCC's in the UK in the coming few years. If U2 made a bid for BMIBaby then this would complement all their bases give them presence at Manchester without causing a fare war. I'm a big fan of BMIBaby, but their failure to expand significantly has left them with no chance of gaining vital market share. Baby would fit perfectly with the U2 business model, the 737 Classics could initially be replaced by 737NG's in the short term. This only becomes possible if BMI put Baby up for sale, but if the discussed rumours of a BA buyout of BMI surface, this might be a nice little pay off for the BABY management team.

Sorry to drift off the topic - but I believe the only way you will see a significant U2 base at MAN is with such a takeover!
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:45 pm

Quoting MAN23R (Thread starter):
MAN really needs a carrier like easyjet, MAN is currently in abit of a mess and needs something to change

How exactly would MAN's problems be solved by easyJet? Ultimately the market decides where airlines operate from. If easyJet thought MAN had any potential they would have been operating from there a long time ago.
 
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:01 pm

In fact, U2 has got B737-700's going spare.
 
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:07 pm

I don't think EZY will continue the Manchester operation. It doesn't make sense in any case. MAN actually has a great range of low cost flights, it doesn't NEED EZY or FR at all. There are, admittedly a few gaps, but these will invariably be filled in time.

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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:40 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
I don't see it happening and would expect the GB Airways flights from MAN being discontinued from the end of March 08. easyJet has always taken the view that their LPL base sufficently covers the Northwest of England. Plus if easyJet had wanted to into MAN, I think they would have done so by now...

This was said about BHX - with EMA up the road they didn't need to fly from Birmingham, but now they are starting flights.


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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:54 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
I don't see it happening and would expect the GB Airways flights from MAN being discontinued from the end of March 08. easyJet has always taken the view that their LPL base sufficiently covers the Northwest of England. Plus if easyJet had wanted to into MAN, I think they would have done so by now...

If easyJet moved into MAN, airlines like Jet2 and BMI Baby would be in big trouble. But I don't think any of the airlines have an appetite for a price war on existing routes, and does MAN really need any further capacity to the likes of Spain?

Ok I may be a bit biased here but don't forget the flights GB operates to PFO, Cyprus and other non-Spanish destinations.

The scheduled flights to PFO started as 3 per week 2 years ago (with CY operating another 3 per week at that time) and increased to 6 per week by GB and 5 per week by CY (with code sharing agreement with ECA on additional 3). Adding up, this is 14 scheduled flights per week in addition to the chartered flights operated by airlines like FCA, TOM etc

I understand that longer flights do not feature in Easyjet's plan however based on the need for capacity from MAN to destinations that GB used to serve, it may be possible that Easyjet continues to operate from MAN.

If not, then Summer 2008 appears to be very promising for CY, ECA, TOM, FCA, and the other charters.
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:06 pm

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 7):
I don't think EZY will continue the Manchester operation.

Oh yes, they will. It's been explicitly stated in the literature to both EZY and GB staff that they will. Manchester slots are not easy to come by, which is partly why Liverpool was chosen. Now they've managed to pick updecent, usable slots and an operation already with a base there. Pretty disastrous news for LPL in the longer term I'd have thought.
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:44 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
Pretty disastrous news for LPL in the longer term I'd have thought.

When MAN gets a 3rd runway. MAN does not have enough spare peak time slots to allow EZY to move its whole LPL operation, and the GB deal will only have given EZY a few peak time slots. If EZY stay at MAN Im sure they will be able to complement their LPL operations well, as with BHX/GLA, LIN/MXP and CGN/DTM
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:58 pm

Quoting SK736 (Reply 5):
If easyJet thought MAN had any potential they would have been operating from there a long time ag

And they would have done so from 1996/7 (i.e. the time of the LPL base opening) has MAN not dropped their charges as U2 wanted them to. This is something worth bearing in mind - MAN was their airport of choice! However, MAN decided to see what BA would come up with in terms of a hub-style operation, but were left to rue that decision as BA systematically downgraded capacity and frequency on "competing" routes. LPL and U2 signed an "exclusive" deal for 15 to 20 years but contract can, and have, been broken e.g. BA and GT with the franchise agreement.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 11):
When MAN gets a 3rd runway

Not going to happen in either our lifetime or our children's lifetime!
 
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:03 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
easyJet has always taken the view that their LPL base sufficently covers the Northwest of England. Plus if easyJet had wanted to into MAN, I think they would have done so by now...

I would tend to agree, ive got to think that Manchester know how to charge airlines top whack!
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:16 pm

Quoting NEMA (Reply 13):
ive got to think that Manchester know how to charge airlines top whack!

which would be news to IATA seeing that they've given them an award for dropping charges (down 30% or so)
 
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:25 pm

Quoting David_itl (Reply 14):
which would be news to IATA seeing that they've given them an award for dropping charges (down 30% or so)

Any idea how they now compare therefore in charges to such as Liverpool?
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:31 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 11):
Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
Pretty disastrous news for LPL in the longer term I'd have thought.

When MAN gets a 3rd runway. MAN does not have enough spare peak time slots to allow EZY to move its whole LPL operation, and the GB deal will only have given EZY a few peak time slots

Not the point - and not how Easyjet operate either.

Go back 6 years and they had no presence at LGW either. When BA ceded slots post Sept 11th, they got a few rotations and nothing more. They've built their operation into a sizable one even before this purchase of GB Airways. They'll do exactly the same at Manchester - look to build and build and acquire slots - hence disastrous news for LPL in the longer term as I said.
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:53 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 11):
If EZY stay at MAN Im sure they will be able to complement their LPL operations well, as with BHX/GLA,

Im not sure I understand that. What has BHX and GLA got to do with LPL ?
 
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:24 pm

Quoting By738 (Reply 17):
What has BHX and GLA got to do with LPL

Think he's referring starting BHX whilst having a base at EMA and similarly for GLA and EDI. Hence the analogy that just because they already operate at an airprot down the road, it does not preclude them from ever opening up a nearby airport.
 
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RE: Could Easyjet Move Into MAN?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:23 am

GLA was a typo - I meant EMA. David sums up the point I was trying to make though
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