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Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:25 pm

I was wondering if anyone has a list of carriers that currently have scheduled MD-11 passenger service?

All that comes to mind for me is:
KLM
Finnair(?)

I was also wondering who are the former pax operators who no longer fly the MD-11?
Delta
Varig
Swiss
Luftansa???
Others???

I've never been on a MD-11, and I doubt I ever will. Having flown tons of NW DC-10s, I would love to experience the "new and improved" version.

Will the MD-11 become like the 747SP, a rare bird that true enthusiasts go out of their way to fly on some obscure airline?
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:27 pm

AA at one time flew up to 19 MD11s. They original had orders + options on up to about 50 aircraft, but stopped at 15 once they got the planes and were unhappy with the performance.
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:33 pm

Had a nice flight on a KLM one AMS-SFO Feb this year. Great. In the past have flown China Airlines
Japan Airlines and Delta ones....

Martinair did use the MD11 on passinger flight poss only charter but may have them all as cargo now?
Nice plane, just getting harder to fly on....
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:42 pm

I think that LH only ever used them for cargo.
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:42 pm

Quoting SRT75 (Thread starter):
I would love to experience the "new and improved" version.

I see you live in Los Angeles.
During low season, KLM uses their MD-11 here to San Francisco.
Fly up here to SFO and fly KLM to visit Amsterdam and I am sure you'd have a wonderful time in Amsterdam once you get there.  Wink
As of right now, we get the 747-400 as you already get year around in Los Angeles.
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:47 pm

Others were:

JAL
Korean Air
China Eastern
EVA ???
Malaysia Airlines
Garuda
Thai
Air Namibia
Martinair - still flying some Combi
Swiss International
Alitalia
LTU
World Airways
American

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[Edited 2007-10-26 08:51:48]
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:53 pm

STR, Finnair is getting rid of theirs soon. TAM seem to fly them as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD-11

[Edited 2007-10-26 08:55:29]
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:55 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 5):
Martinair - still flying some Combi

all MP pax flights are with B767 (and until 31 Oct. A320). MP MD11s are used for cargo only.

Kl will continue to fly the MD11 with pax until apr. 2012
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:57 pm

TAM and World also still fly scheduled service with the MD-11. (World operates SonAir's Houston-Luanda Express.)

My one MD-11 experience was LAX-HEL-LAX on Finnair in 1991, shortly after the type's introduction into service.

Beautiful birds, and the takeoff performance is astonishing, but they were obsolete the second the 777-200ER came into service. It has better payload capacity, fuel efficiency, and range. The A340-300, although it lacks the ultimate payload capacity of the MD-11, is also more efficient on many missions.
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:59 pm

Photo DB also has TAM.

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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:15 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 5):
World Airways

I thought World still flew the MD-11
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:20 pm

Some more former operaters:

Philippine Airlines
Ghana Airways
Vasp

Quoting SK601 (Reply 7):
all MP pax flights are with B767 (and until 31 Oct. A320). MP MD11s are used for cargo only.

Their website says they operate combis.
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:33 pm

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 10):
I thought World still flew the MD-11

They do and did a fly-by at the Great Georgia Air Show 2 weeks ago...



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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:43 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 5):
EVA ???

EVA had both passenger and cargo MD11s. They have now all been converted to cargo only.
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:56 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 11):
Quoting SK601 (Reply 7):all MP pax flights are with B767 (and until 31 Oct. A320). MP MD11s are used for cargo only.
Their website says they operate combis.

Unlike AZ, these are no MD-11s Combi but Convertible Freighter. These four are now since about two years operated for cargo only. Here they are. Even PH-MCP obviously carry cargo.


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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 10):
I thought World still flew the MD-11

Yes they do. 6 MD-11s and 2 MD-11ERs.
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:28 pm

Don't forget US-Africa Airways operating IAD-JNB via SID... I think!
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:52 pm

Quoting Halophila (Reply 15):
Don't forget US-Africa Airways operating IAD-JNB via SID... I think!

Not forgotten (see Wiki direct link to former operators), and you're correct about SID.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD-11#Former_operators


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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:27 pm

Just note AY is still flying with MD-11 but they are being replaced with A340-300 and A330-300.
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:29 am

Citybird was one of the last to order new MD-11 pax aircraft in '95 and '96. It's too bad they could not order enough to keep the line going before going bankrupt themselves. Also, SN used them for a few years in the late 90's although they may have been leased from H2, I forget. LY leased an -ER from WO to fly the TEL-LAX route, one of the longer MD-11 pax routes flown.

Quoting SRT75 (Thread starter):
I would love to experience the "new and improved" version.

As Superfly said, since you are near SFO, flying KL would be a great choice. I am planning JFK-HEL on AY before they are replaced on this route.

Quoting SK601 (Reply 7):
Kl will continue to fly the MD11 with pax until apr. 2012

First to leave the fleet in 2012, the last in 2015.

Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 8):
they were obsolete the second the 777-200ER came into service. It has better payload capacity, fuel efficiency, and range.

True, but the payload difference is marginal. Hence the success as a freighter.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 12):
They do and did a fly-by at the Great Georgia Air Show 2 weeks ago...

This classic livery is much better, is it permanent? Thanks for sharing.
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 18):
Also, SN used them for a few years in the late 90's although they may have been leased from H2, I forget.

Yes the MD-11s in Sabena livery were CityBird aircraft. I think they had CityBird pilots and SN cabin crews. I recall a couple of very nice flights in business class on those aircraft BRU-YUL.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 3):
I think that LH only ever used them for cargo.

Correct. The MD-11F is the only type in LH Cargo's fleet if not mistaken. I think they have 19.
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:14 pm

Also add:

China Airlines
El Al
Aer Lingus
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:56 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 18):
Citybird was one of the last to order new MD-11 pax aircraft in '95 and '96. It's too bad they could not order enough to keep the line going before going bankrupt themselves.

In 1997 or 1998, H2 intended to order two MD-11Fs, that could have been used to replace the Gemini DC-10s flying for SR, but in the end, in 1999, H2 took the two white tail A300C4-605R ordered by KU but never delivered and stored at TLS since 1995-1996.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 18):
Also, SN used them for a few years in the late 90's although they may have been leased from H2, I forget.

These two were delivered new in SN colors back in April 1998 (OO-CTS) and month later (OO-CTC) and remained with SN until the abrupt end of the contract in February 2001. At first they were used on flights to YUL, GRU, EWR, JNB and NBO, but later all this changed and one aircraft used to JNB, while the other operated the BRU-BKO-CKY-BRU route. OO-CTS was a PW-powered MD-11 while OO-CTC had GE engines....  boggled 

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
The MD-11F is the only type in LH Cargo's fleet if not mistaken. I think they have 19.

Indeed, 14 new (including the last 8 MD-11 produced), and 5 second hand MD-11 PAX converted to freighter.
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:04 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
The MD-11F is the only type in LH Cargo's fleet if not mistaken. I think they have 19.

Correct, LH has 19 MD11F.

I would love to get on a MD-11. Hopefully I will do it before KL retire their MD-11s.

When will the last MD-11 in AY´s colour fly?? Is it in 2011???
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:14 pm

Here is a list with all Airlines that operates the MD-11

FedEx 58 MD-11s active

UPS 34 MD-11s active

Lufthansa 19 MD-11s active

World Airways 14 MD-11s active

KLM 10 MD-11s active

EVA Air 9 MD-11s active

Finnair 7 MD-11s active

Martinair 7 MD-11s active

China Cargo Airlines 6 MD-11s active

Alitalia 5 MD-11s active

Germini Air Cargo 4 MD-11s active

Saudi Arabian Airlines 4 MD-11s active

TransMile 4 MD-11s active

Shanghai Airlines 3 MD-11s active

TAM 3 MD-11s active

Saudi Arabian Gvmt 2 MD-11s active

Varig Logistica 2 MD-11s active.


Hope this list will help you.

[Edited 2007-10-27 08:27:07]
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:19 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 23):
Varig 2 MD-11s active.

It's Varig Logistica (Varig Log).
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:26 pm

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 24):
It's Varig Logistica (Varig Log).

That is true. Will change it.
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:43 pm

B747Forever...great list you provided on Reply 23. But I'm wondering if you can account for 4 missing MD-11s. Your list totals 191 airframes when I know there's 195 MD-11s existing. Perhaps in storage somewhere? Seems to me that ALL the MD-11s would be active given they're in such demand as a freighter.
Regards.
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:44 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 22):

When will the last MD-11 in AY´s colour fly?? Is it in 2011???

The first AY's MD11 will go 2008, the last one March? 2010.

My MD-11 flights, all on AY:
3x HEL-BKK return
1x HEL-STN return, in 1990s AY used MD11 for charter flights too, also intra-European.

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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:54 pm

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 26):
But I'm wondering if you can account for 4 missing MD-11s. Your list totals 191 airframes when I know there's 195 MD-11s existing. Perhaps in storage somewhere?

Three are now stored in Italy and intended to be converted to freighter for Aeroflot Cargo, including the one that has had a landing incident last at BSB. This one has been ferried from BSB to GIG first, and then to VCE on October 22nd.
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:58 pm

Thanks OceansWorld. I can always count on you for such fleet numbers and info.
Regards
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:01 pm

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 26):
Your list totals 191 airframes when I know there's 195 MD-11s existing.

It is 4 that are stored in Italy as OceansWorld says.

It was a total of 200 build MD-11s and 191 is still active.
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:24 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 30):
It is 4 that are stored in Italy

I don't think so.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 23):
UPS 34 MD-11s active

Well UPS doesn't use 34 MD-11Fs at the moment. 30 are active indeed, three are stored at ROS before the freighter conversion as well as one in XSP and another at QPG. This makes a total of 35 out of the 38 intended for 5X. The other three are now with WO and amongst the 14 you've quoted.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 23):
World Airways 14 MD-11s active



Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 29):
Thanks OceansWorld. I can always count on you for such fleet numbers and info.

Pleasure.
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:28 pm

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 31):
Quoting B747forever (Reply 30):
It is 4 that are stored in Italy

I don't think so

They are there at the moment, right ???
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:31 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 32):
They are there at the moment, right ???

Yes they are in Italy, but what I meant in my not clear enough answer was that only three are in Italy, not four.
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:32 pm

I flew LAX-ZRH on SR back in 1998 as well as ZRH - ORD in 2001 shortly before they went bust. I also had flights with MD11 of AY on the route HEL-BKK-HKG and PVG - HEL in 2003/2004.
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:32 pm

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 33):
but what I meant in my not clear enough answer was that only three are in Italy, not four.

Okey, I see. My fault. Sorry.
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:18 pm

Quoting SRT75 (Thread starter):
Will the MD-11 become like the 747SP, a rare bird that true enthusiasts go out of their way to fly on some obscure airline?

I think the MD11 will be removed from passenger service way faster than the 747SP was. The main reason is that it is in high demand as a freighter. So while the 747SP was cheap on the used market since the alternative was scrapping them, the MD11 would be much more expensive to lease or purchase on the used market.
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:24 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
Also add:

China Airlines
El Al
Aer Lingus

The Aer lingus bird, was a World Airways aircraft & only flew for a summer.
Its was one of the nicest colour schemes on a MD11 though
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:50 pm

Quoting Vald (Reply 37):
The Aer lingus bird, was a World Airways aircraft

So ? Over the years at least ten airlines have used MD-11P leased from World Airways.

Quoting Vald (Reply 37):
only flew for a summer.

N272WA has flown for EI during the summers of 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001.

Quoting Vald (Reply 37):
Its was one of the nicest colour schemes on a MD11 though

I do agree with you.
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:00 pm

MD-11s used to be so popular in Brazil with Varig and Vasp (and now TAM) flying them. I have flown many domestic flights on MD-11s through the years with both RG and VP, specially BSB-GIG which is the route I fly most frequently and both carriers had operated MD-11s on this route. Also GRU-LAX in 1996 and GRU-MIA in 1999 with Vasp. The last time I flew on one was in 2004. Sadly I don´t think I will fly on one ever again.  Sad
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:08 pm

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 21):
OO-CTS was a PW-powered MD-11 while OO-CTC had GE engines....

That's kind of odd, what was the reason? By then it was well known the PW powered airframes were more fuel efficient.
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:18 pm

Quoting BSBIsland (Reply 39):
MD-11s used to be so popular in Brazil with Varig and Vasp (and now TAM) flying them.

Yes indeed, and PT-MSJ of JJ is perhaps unique in its kind, as it has only been operated by Brazilian airlines to date. VASP, VARIG and now TAM.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 40):
what was the reason?

I don't know, and have never understood what was the point there.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 40):
By then it was well known the PW powered airframes were more fuel efficient.

Well, even the CityBird painted MD-11 (OO-CTB) had GE engines...

[Edited 2007-10-27 14:21:03]
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:06 pm

Hi!

I flew once in the MD11 and the way I flew makes me one of the most luckiest guy in this earth!!! After flying many other airplanes when I finally flew the MD11 it was an outstanding experience! I was planning a trip to California with my family and the best option I had was with BA via LHR to SFO in a 777. Then I talked with a swiss friend and asked him if SWISS had better prices ( this because I work in a Social Association here in Portugal that has their headquarters in Switzerland, and they used to have special prices with SWISS...) I didn't expect a lot until he told me the prices....30% less!!! And that's who I suddenly changed all the program and instead of flying with BA I was going to fly with LX via ZRH to LAX and it would be in a MD11. We took of from ZRH RN16 and it was the most powerful take-off I ever had, the day was quite cloudy so I could see lot's of vortexes coming out from the wing, we were seated on the left side of our MD11 with 3 seats ( LX configuration in Y was 3-4-2 ) and after leaving the ground our plane started to make that amazing left turn that normally all the planes do when they fly to North America. The flight went uneventful all way to LAX, we got some strong head winds and due to a big storm over LAX our Captain told that we had to change runway for landing, we landed in LAX RN6R and in the end our flight lasted 12:45...my longest trip so far...but surely I'll never forget that trip!
I have a possible trip next year to YVR ( not yet confirmed if that's the place...) and if the OK comes I will certainly try to fly with KL and have the chance to fly maybe for the last time a MD11, and with KL it would be fantastic!!! We'll see!
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:35 pm

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 38):
N272WA has flown for EI during the summers of 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001.

your right, i stand corrected
 
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:51 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 12):
They do and did a fly-by at the Great Georgia Air Show 2 weeks ago...

I love that livery. Thanks for the quality pics!
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RE: Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:08 am

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 21):
while OO-CTC had GE engines....



Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 41):
Well, even the CityBird painted MD-11 (OO-CTB) had GE engines

And these two great birds will fly about two years more for Finnair and then it is time to say good bye...

ex OO-CTB as OH-LGF
ex OO-CTC as OH-LGE (last pax M11)

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