lrdc9
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Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:22 am

OK it was friday and I was off an youtubing but,that does not even seem possible. He must of built up some speed during the flyby or something, seem just a scosh risky. Sorry if it has already been posted!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_vJliayH6co

Enjoy. BTW . . . what do you think?
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:26 am

There are a few reasons for this.

First, that was a "clean" flyby, so it was going very fast with all flaps retracted. Secondly, it isn't full of passengers and baggage (as far as I know), and since it isn't going anywhere long haul the fuel load is probably also relatively low. So, the plane was fast, light, and at a low altitude. This, along with the fact that it's a 757 in the first place, means that it has amazing climb power in this video.

However, I don't believe it actually got vertical. The 757 is relatively long and people tend to think a plane is steeper than it really is. I'd say that maybe it gets up to a max of 50 degrees pitch up, although someone with a better trained eye can maybe clarify that.

Now after talking about it, I think I'm gonna go try it in flight sim...  Smile
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:52 am

Somebody forgot to tell the Air Force that 757's are not F-14s! Flippin' amazing video, sure is a great aircraft.  Smile
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 1):

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It would be very difficult to determine what angle the aircraft is at from that angle and without a ground reference. That, coupled with the 757's climb ability and presumably light load (as AlexPorter mentioned), makes the aircraft appear vertical.
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting Lrdc9 (Thread starter):
OK it was friday and I was off an youtubing but,that does not even seem possible. He must of built up some speed during the flyby or something, seem just a scosh risky. Sorry if it has already been posted!

Yes it has been posted, many of time's. But it is still great to look at....
And that 757 belongs to the New Zealand AirForce..


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ADent
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:42 am

With up to 87k LB of thrust and an empty weight in the 130k lb range, should be capable of some pretty impressive climbs in a military/airshow mode.

Anybody know which engines are on this bird?
 
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting ADent (Reply 5):
Anybody know which engines are on this bird?

The good ones, RR for the win! Big grin


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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:17 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
Air Force that 757's are not F-14s! Flippin' amazing video, sure is a great aircraft

I think the Rolls-Royce RB211-535's powering that beast are equally as amazing  yes  !

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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:16 pm

Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
 
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:19 pm

Hi!

Excelent video, excelent pilot and excelent display....merit to those that deserve it!!!
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:30 pm

In 1991 while on the observation deck at NRT I saw a 757 pull a serious climb of 45 degrees or better (I was almost perpendicular to her so it wasn't an optical illusion like that YouTube video).
 
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:10 pm

love that video. Love the sound of the engines. I would guess 50-60 nose up right at the end.
 
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:21 pm

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 3):
It would be very difficult to determine what angle the aircraft is at from that angle and without a ground reference. That, coupled with the 757's climb ability and presumably light load (as AlexPorter mentioned), makes the aircraft appear vertical.

Agree, but I have looped the airplane in a simulator. It does the maneuver quite handily (at light weight of course).
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:37 pm

Love the 757 ! So unfortunate manufacture has ceased...
 
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:45 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
Somebody forgot to tell the Air Force that 757's are not F-14s!

Perhaps Helen Clark should have indeed....  cheerful 
 
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:17 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 1):
However, I don't believe it actually got vertical. The 757 is relatively long and people tend to think a plane is steeper than it really is. I'd say that maybe it gets up to a max of 50 degrees pitch up, although someone with a better trained eye can maybe clarify that.

I know it's hard to really tell for sure without a ground reference, but man, that 757 looks like it's darn near vertical or at least well over 50 degrees up. Look at that thing go!  biggrin 

I've been on an AA 757 taking off out of Long Beach, also a Delta 757 climbing out FLL and while they were nothing like that video, these were the closest I've ever been to being in a fighter jet. Both got off the runway fast and put a lot of distance between them and the ground quite quickly.

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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:31 pm

Very cool video!

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 6):
You'd be amazed what jet transport aircraft can do when put through their paces.

Very true. In the CRJ sim (with the motion turned off of course), I've done all sorts of stuff..... snap rolls, loops, inverted flight, hammerheads, supersonic dives, etc. If very obvious when doing most of this stuff that the airplane was definitely not designed for it, but its capable.

When empty, at max thrust, the CRJ-200 has a thrust / weight ratio greater than some early jet fighters (ie: F-86), and is on-par with a fully loaded F-4 Phantom in afterburner. Its really quite impressive.
 
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:07 pm

Quoting JetMech (Reply 7):
I think the Rolls-Royce RB211-535's powering that beast are equally as amazing !

Awesome aircraft, i had an amazing departure out of LHR this week on a 30% full BA 757, i think it was the
most rapid climb i have ever experienced in a passenger aircraft.



Quoting Caljn (Reply 13):
Love the 757 ! So unfortunate manufacture has ceased...

A real pity, Boeing bring it back!!!
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:31 pm

The camera zoom gives it that flat look which makes the angle look steeper than it really is. Just like on some photos from GA and military jets looking aft & down at the runway which appears almost right below the plane making the take off seem like it was almost straight up.

That's around 45 degrees which is still pretty high. This video is also old, saw it several years ago.

Now picture yourself in the toilet at 45 degree angle.
 
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RE: Vertical 757

Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:54 pm

The 757 has a really distinctive sound, kind of like a rough chopping noise. Anyone know why?
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RE: Vertical 757

Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:14 am

 
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RE: Vertical 757

Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:50 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 20):
You have to like this shot:

http://www.airframes.net/misc/CO757_...8.jpg

I think I need a change of pants..  eyepopping 
That is pretty damn amazing, and just goes to show how powerful the fiddy-se'n really is.
Something awful.
 
borat
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RE: Vertical 757

Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:18 am

This onelooks pretty darn vertical to me.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fYZOByowrlU
 
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RE: Vertical 757

Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:40 pm

Quoting ZTagged (Reply 21):
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 20):
You have to like this shot:

http://www.airframes.net/misc/CO757_...8.jpg

I think I need a change of pants..
That is pretty damn amazing, and just goes to show how powerful the fiddy-se'n really is.

That's BFI and the 757 is empty.
 
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RE: Vertical 757

Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:17 pm

Such an awesome video. The sounds of the engines at full pelt is just unreal. I remember seeing this perform at RIAT2003 and from what I remember it was one of the best displays there by far.
Its incredible looking at these videos just thinking that the B757s are commercial airliners, yet the RNZAF fly them as if they are something out of the Red Bull Air Race!!!  Big grin

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 18):
Now picture yourself in the toilet at 45 degree angle.


 rotfl   rotfl  Brilliant!
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RE: Vertical 757

Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:29 am

Quoting Visityyj (Reply 23):
That's BFI and the 757 is empty.

I believe the take off in the photo was part of the test program for the 757 winglet mod.

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