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DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:08 pm

When making a reservation online today I noticed that DL is using a 767-400 and Continental is using a 767-200. When did the 2 swap? I thought CO always flew the 400 and DL either the 200 or 300. My wife flew CO last week, MEM-IAH-GRU and she flew a 767-400 into Sao Paulo.

Just curious.
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:11 pm

Quoting Sampa737 (Thread starter):
DL either the 200

Delta doesn't have anymore -200's
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:12 pm

I think DL did use the 763 but CO has always used 762s in South America
 
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:13 pm

CO uses the -200 out of EWR and the -400 out of IAH to GRU.
 
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:14 pm

DL retired their 762s, AFAIK.
 
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:18 pm

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 3):
CO uses the -200 out of EWR and the -400 out of IAH to GRU.

They try to connect more pax to/from GRU through IAH than EWR because it's easier to get pax to/from there on shorter flights, the FIS has more room, etc.

They then send the 200 or the 400 on to GIG from GRU, depending on demand, while the other bird sits and waits for the return. It's pretty good fleet and pax management, actually.

Other than the smaller windows on the 200, the service, interiors and amenities on the 200 and 400 at CO are indistinguishable, so for a passenger, it shouldn't impact them either way.
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:44 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
They then send the 200 or the 400 on to GIG from GRU, depending on demand, while the other bird sits and waits for the return. It's pretty good fleet and pax management, actually.

CO always use the 767-400 to GIG. Cargo and Oil Business explains. DOT reports can show the numbers, always 50 to 55% of IAH passengers.

Quoting Sampa737 (Thread starter):
When making a reservation online today I noticed that DL is using a 767-400 and Continental is using a 767-200

Sampa,
DL will use only during the summer. But there are plans for a year-round flight with 764.

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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:15 pm

Quoting Sampa737 (Thread starter):
When making a reservation online today I noticed that DL is using a 767-400 and Continental is using a 767-200. When did the 2 swap? I thought CO always flew the 400 and DL either the 200 or 300. My wife flew CO last week, MEM-IAH-GRU and she flew a 767-400 into Sao Paulo.

DL retired their 762s, none of which were ERs. DL also has pulled virtually all of their 764ERs which they used to replace their longstanding fleet of tri-stars from virtually all domestic service and except for a route or two to Hawaii, have reconfigured them and sent them all on International routes. CO is the only other operator of 764ERs for U.S. flag carriers, and DL has a fairly large fleet of 763ERs. The 764ER from ATL-GRU is a good fit, and DL also uses a 764ER on JFK-GRU 1x daily if I recall correctly.
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:05 pm

I actually meant 300 but for some reason typed in 200. Desculpe. I think it's in the latest Aviao Revue that states Continental is the only airline who flies the 400 to Brazil. That's where my question comes from. Thanks for the responses.
 
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
Sampa,
DL will use only during the summer. But there are plans for a year-round flight with 764.

Right, last DL105 (ATL-GRU) on 764 will be on March 28th. Besides, DL's extra-flight to GRU (144/145) which will run on weekends in January and on February 3rd, will also be operated with a 764.

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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:06 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 7):
The 764ER from ATL-GRU is a good fit, and DL also uses a 764ER on JFK-GRU 1x daily if I recall correctly.

SCLUT2777, in fact JFK-GRU is all 763ER.

Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 8):
I think it's in the latest Aviao Revue that states Continental is the only airline who flies the 400 to Brazil. That's where my question comes from. Thanks for the responses.

Just because CO is the only one using the B764 on a regular basis.

Quoting Cmtehori (Reply 9):
Right, last DL105 (ATL-GRU) on 764 will be on March 28th. Besides, DL's extra-flight to GRU (144/145) which will run on weekends in January and on February 3rd, will also be operated with a 764.

Carlos, thanks for the complete info. Extra flights will be 2x weekly January and 1x weekly February to both GIG and GRU.

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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:34 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
CO always use the 767-400 to GIG. Cargo and Oil Business explains. DOT reports can show the numbers, always 50 to 55% of IAH passengers.

Except for when they don't. And there are times they don't. They can swap this out at the last minute because: it's the same crew, both planes are already there, and either way, neither flight can go back to the USA until the GIG leg returns to GRU.

It's scheduled as a 764, but it doesn't always fly as a 764.
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:13 pm

Quoting Sampa737 (Thread starter):
DL either the 200

As mentioned, DL's 762s were not extended range models, and could not have made it from any of their hubs to GRU/GIG.
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Except for when they don't. And there are times they don't. They can swap this out at the last minute because: it's the same crew, both planes are already there, and either way, neither flight can go back to the USA until the GIG leg returns to GRU.

It's scheduled as a 764, but it doesn't always fly as a 764.

Ikramerica,

I newver saw the 762 at GIG as IAH-GRU-GIG.
And i strong believe the crew from IAH rest 1 or 2 days at GIG so there's a 764 crew in Rio waiting for a 764 and also:

1) They can swap, but they never swap just because mostly cargo from IAH goes to GIG and not cargo from EWR
2) They can swap, but 2/3 of business class from IAH goes to GIG
3) All my oil worker friends stay on the same plane always from IAH to GIG which means, B767-400.

You can confirm the info 1 on DOT reports. It's very clear as well as more than 1/3 of cargo from Brazil to IAH comes from GIG.

If i'm CO, i never change the plane considering almost 2/3 of cargo from IAH to GIG !

Felipe

PS: CO is really looking for a IAH-GIG non-stop, finally !
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Except for when they don't. And there are times they don't. They can swap this out at the last minute because: it's the same crew, both planes are already there, and either way, neither flight can go back to the USA until the GIG leg returns to GRU.

It's scheduled as a 764, but it doesn't always fly as a 764.

Ikramerica,

I newver saw the 762 at GIG as IAH-GRU-GIG.
And i strong believe the crew from IAH rest 1 or 2 days at GIG so there's a 764 crew in Rio waiting for a 764 and also:

Ikramerica is correct. CO uses both the 762 and 764 to GIG.

On July 26, 2003, I flew IAH-GRU-GIG on the 762, and returned on a 762 from GIG to IAH via GRU on August 14, 2003. I've since taken the 762 from EWR to GRU multiples times, but I've not continuted to GIG.
 
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:43 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
And i strong believe the crew from IAH rest 1 or 2 days at GIG so there's a 764 crew in Rio waiting for a 764 and also:

The crew pairing is a four day trip. The crew stays in GIG for about 30 hours. The crew waiting in GIG for the return flight home waits for a 762 or a 764 to show up. The pilots can fly either, as well as the cabin crew. If it is a 762 for the return, some cabin crew will deadhead back to IAH. Very simple.

EWR-GRU is traditionally a 762 and the IAH-GRU-GIG is traditionally a 764. Key words: traditionally. Always subject to change. I have worked both with both types.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
but they never swap

Never say never (not a Romeo Void reference Big grin). Never is a long time, but it happens.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
All my oil worker friends stay on the same plane always from IAH to GIG which means, B767-400.

Sometimes, albeit rarely, there is a change of planes in GRU (The GIG-GRU will go to EWR instead of IAH). I have worked that. Pain in the a** when it happens.
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 15):

The crew pairing is a four day trip. The crew stays in GIG for about 30 hours. The crew waiting in GIG for the return flight home waits for a 762 or a 764 to show up. The pilots can fly either, as well as the cabin crew.

Interesting, since the cockpit differences between both types are quite imporant.
 
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:08 pm

Quoting PU752 (Reply 16):
Interesting, since the cockpit differences between both types are quite imporant.

Pilots at CO who fly the 764 can also fly the 762, 752 and 753. Apparently the differences aren't that important to warrant a different rating type. The cockpits are very similar in all four, at least with CO.
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:27 pm

Quoting Gte439u (Reply 14):
On July 26, 2003, I flew IAH-GRU-GIG on the 762, and returned on a 762 from GIG to IAH via GRU on August 14, 2003. I've since taken the 762 from EWR to GRU multiples times, but I've not continuted to GIG.

IIRC the route IAH-GRU-GIG has been upgraded to 764 by 2004.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 15):
The crew pairing is a four day trip. The crew stays in GIG for about 30 hours. The crew waiting in GIG for the return flight home waits for a 762 or a 764 to show up. The pilots can fly either, as well as the cabin crew. If it is a 762 for the return, some cabin crew will deadhead back to IAH. Very simple.

Thanks for the information.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 15):
EWR-GRU is traditionally a 762 and the IAH-GRU-GIG is traditionally a 764. Key words: traditionally. Always subject to change. I have worked both with both types.

And thanks for clarifying the matter.

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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:48 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 15):
The crew pairing is a four day trip. The crew stays in GIG for about 30 hours. The crew waiting in GIG for the return flight home waits for a 762 or a 764 to show up. The pilots can fly either, as well as the cabin crew. If it is a 762 for the return, some cabin crew will deadhead back to IAH. Very simple.

Interesting that CO also has some crew based in Rio. I have friends who are US citizens, live in Rio, and work for CO. It seems that many CO crew do the same living in Mexico, which ensures that they have a remuneration denominated in USD but have a living cost in the local current.

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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:54 pm

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 19):
Interesting that CO also has some crew based in Rio.

We have no crew based in GIG. We have a few commuters from there, but no crew based there. Our overseas bases are one and one only, GUM (although we did have a NRT base for Japanese speaking crew flying out of GUM).

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 19):
It seems that many CO crew do the same living in Mexico

We have commuters from everywhere commuting to EWR/IAH/CLE and GUM. As long as you show up for work on time, the company does not care where you live.
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:56 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 20):
We have no crew based in GIG. We have a few commuters from there, but no crew based there. Our overseas bases are one and one only, GUM (although we did have a NRT base for Japanese speaking crew flying out of GUM).

Thanks for the corrections in my wording. Indeed, the crew is NOT based in Rio, but as you said, they are commuters!

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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:48 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
PS: CO is really looking for a IAH-GIG non-stop, finally

Felipe, where did you hear that?

Rgs,

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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting Neo (Reply 22):
Felipe, where did you hear that?

Panrotas and Mercado & Eventos websites, from CO staff in Brazil.

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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:22 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 23):
Panrotas and Mercado & Eventos websites, from CO staff in Brazil.

Aren´t all 104 slots in Brazil already in use? Wouldn´t it require a new slot? Or would it be a temporary flight?
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:31 pm

My DL EZE-ATL flight on 1/1/08 is scheduled to be a 764, as is my return in late March.
 
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:21 pm

Quoting Cmtehori (Reply 24):
Aren�t all 104 slots in Brazil already in use? Wouldn�t it require a new slot? Or would it be a temporary flight?

There are preliminary discussions between Brazil and US to increase the bilateral for flights to any place except São Paulo.
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:57 pm

I flew the 767-400 IAH-GRU, and the 767-200 GRU-EWR on the same trip...I agree, you really can't tell the difference too much. It was a good ride, I was impressed with CO's product.

Now, with all the high fares to Brazil, there is obviously premium traffic...why don't we see 777's more often to GRU?
 
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RE: DL/CO To GRU Using 767-200 And 400

Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:13 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 26):
There are preliminary discussions between Brazil and US to increase the bilateral for flights to any place except São Paulo.

Nice! On a side note, do you happen to know if the new Terminal 3 in GRU will serve both domestic and intl flights?
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