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737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:04 am

No one believes me.

In January of 1994 I was flying SFO-RDU-TPA aboard USAir. I was tres surprised upon boarding at SFO to see that the aircraft taking me nonstop to Raleigh Durham clear on the other coast was a 737. Dad asked me what kind of plane took me out and I remember badly wanting to strangle him when he said, "Are you sure it wasn't a (slowing down, like I'm a kindergartener) seven - F O R T Y - seven?" You know - what with USAir never ever ever ever ever having flown those. And what with the act of confusing a 737 with a 747 being equal to that of confusing a No. 2 pencil with a 747.

I looked this up in bookstores when I got back. I read that the 737-400 was available with extry fuel tanks, extending its range to 2,900 miles; making it the only 737 truly capable of an SFO-RDU nonstop in 1994. I can't recall exactly that the safety card said ours was a -400, but it bloody stands to reason, doesn't it?

So...experts out there. If you're at the table with me in early 1994 and I tells you I was on a 737 for the SFO-RDU leg, would you a) assume I'm enough of an astonishing idiot to confuse a 737 with a 747 which furthermore doesn't exist in the airline I took, or b) believe me?

Is there a c) ?
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:15 am

A 737-300 could make that run easily. I just looked and US had a flight that went SFO-PHL on a 737-300 back in 94' so SFO-RDU is doable.
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:20 am

USair operated 737s on transcontinental routes. The planes were limited in payload, but were used in the 90s before the longer range A320 series planes started arriving in the fleet. I remember hearing about people flying to SEA on a 737 and was very confused, but it's true. It is a stretch though for the 737 classics, but they could do it under certain conditions.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:27 am

Are you sure it was going to RDU and not CLT?
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:31 am

DL flies RDU-LAX daily on the 737...

Transcon 737s are becoming more and more popular.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:35 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 4):
DL flies RDU-LAX daily on the 737...

Transcon 737s are becoming more and more popular.

You mean they are becoming more frequent, right? Somehow, using the words "transcon on a 737" in the same breath as "popular" just doesn't seem right.  Smile
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 5):
You mean they are becoming more frequent, right? Somehow, using the words "transcon on a 737" in the same breath as "popular" just doesn't seem right.

Most people don't care. On the inside a 737 is hardly different from a 757 or A320. 737s are completely normal on transontinental routes. AS, WN and FL only operate 737s on transcons and AA, DL, and CO have many 737 transcon flights. It doesn't matter much since you're in the same size seat regardless. Widebodies with the extra space are few and far between nowadays.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 5):
You mean they are becoming more frequent, right? Somehow, using the words "transcon on a 737" in the same breath as "popular" just doesn't seem right.

Alright, I admit, frequent would have been the better word to use in this case.  Wink

However, I've had better experiences on 737s than on 757s; like RoseFlyer said, the average passenger won't even be able to tell a difference between narrowbody jets.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
Most people don't care. On the inside a 737 is hardly different from a 757 or A320. 737s are completely normal on transontinental routes. AS, WN and FL only operate 737s on transcons and AA, DL, and CO have many 737 transcon flights. It doesn't matter much since you're in the same size seat regardless. Widebodies with the extra space are few and far between nowadays.

I'm not questioning whether they are "normal" or "frequent." They are. I take issue with the moniker "popular."

Given the opportunity to fly a 777 or 767 cross country over a 737, I'd do it in a heartbeat, and I suspect you would too.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:52 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 5):
You mean they are becoming more frequent, right? Somehow, using the words "transcon on a 737" in the same breath as "popular" just doesn't seem right.

Hardly much different than a transcon ride in a 757 or A320 though, IMO anyway. Granted I'd prefer the 757 over the 737, but that's because I like the takeoff of the 757 over a 737 plus I've flown on fewer 757's than 737's. From a passenger standpoint, I'd find them pretty much equal though.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 8):
Given the opportunity to fly a 777 or 767 cross country over a 737, I'd do it in a heartbeat, and I suspect you would too.

Yea, but even that is becoming harder and harder to do.  frown 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:55 am

I've flown on a 737-700 from SJC to RDU and a 737-800 from LAX-RDU. It definitely would have been more of an operational challenge on the -400, but not impossible.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 8):
Given the opportunity to fly a 777 or 767 cross country over a 737, I'd do it in a heartbeat, and I suspect you would too.

Depends on the airline. I'd rather be on a B6 320 across the country than a AA 767. All other things being equal, however, I would prefer the widebody.

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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 7):
However, I've had better experiences on 737s than on 757s; like RoseFlyer said, the average passenger won't even be able to tell a difference between narrowbody jets.

The one big advantage to 757's is that there is an economy toilet forward. On a short flight that might not matter, but on a transcon, it does make a difference. Except for some of CO's 738's, most 737's and 320s (non-LCC) have but two lavs in the rear.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:37 am

Why would US fly from SFO-RDU? Seems like a very unusual routing; was it a charter flight?
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:39 am

US used to have a ton of weird routes, it could of been a PSA related route, as well. I can also, re affirm the fact that US flew 737s trans-con a lot.

Though I've heard pilots say they used to come in pretty low on gas when the weather conditions were not in their favor.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:40 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
AS, WN and FL only operate 737s on transcons and AA, DL, and CO have many 737 transcon flights.

As I know you know (but I'll just add to clarify for less experienced readers) these flights are all operated with the 737NG, usually 737-800 or occasionally 737-700. These variants almost never have problems with transcons, except in the most extreme wind conditions. The 737-900A is a bit more challenged, but can do most transcons most of the time (and regularly did for AS before they had the number of -800s they do today).

I'm amazed that US flew transcons regularly with the 737-300. With a full passenger load its range is given as between 1800 and 2200 nm depending on whom you believe. That's really not enough westbound.  weightlifter  The planes must have been significantly payload restricted. I'd be curious to know the details.
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting Airstud (Thread starter):
No one believes me.

You may have been on a 727-200 or 757 to CLT, but not RDU unless the flight was diverted. IIRC, US has never flown nonstop from any west coast city to RDU.
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:33 am

US had a fleet of 737-300's which had different engines and an additional fuel tank in the rear cargo compartment. They easily flew to the west coast from CLT, PIT and PHL. The longest IIRC was CLT-SEA and PHL-SAN. I worked the CLT- SEA flight fairly regularly back in 1992, 1993. I do not ever remember the aircraft being weight restricted. If it was it was not very often and then a fuel stop would have been added in either MEM or MCI where we had a fairly decent size operation there. When US started taking delivery of the ex-EA 757's then, or about that time, these 737's were being converted (reengined and AUX fuel tanks removed) to match the rest of the 737-300 fleet. I can remember a time when we operated 737-300's CLT-SAN, LAX, DEN, PHX, SEA, an I think SFO as well, basically all the cities west of DEN. I have flown 737-300's from PIT - SNA and LAX - PIT.
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 15):
I'm amazed that US flew transcons regularly with the 737-300.

NYAir did it as well with the 733 flying LAX-IAD.

Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 17):
US had a fleet of 737-300's which had different engines and an additional fuel tank in the rear cargo compartment.

Interesting point, never knew that. I do recall some of the 733 transcons scheduled with an LAX-SFO or SFO-LAX tag, leading to unstable west coast operations for US after they bought PSA when planes got delayed in the east.

Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 17):
If it was it was not very often and then a fuel stop would have been added in either MEM or MCI where we had a fairly decent size operation there.

PHX was also used at times for the LAX-bound flights.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:14 am

Before I get nailed, I should clarify that US had a sub-fleet of 737-300's within their 737-300 fleet with different engines and an AUX fuel tank aft for long haul ops.
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:10 am

Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 19):
Before I get nailed, I should clarify that US had a sub-fleet of 737-300's within their 737-300 fleet with different engines and an AUX fuel tank aft for long haul ops.

I knew about the aux fuel tanks on the 300, but didn't realize there were higher rated engines. I also know that there was a sub-fleet of 400's with the aux fuel tanks as well.

The last 737's at LAX were in 2000, a 737-400 operating the 3pm to PHL. It was strictly an O/D flight, so it was rare if the bird went out full. The winter Wolf closed the LAX crew base, (99 I believe) he turned the PHL red-eye from a 757 into a 737-300! Many believe he did that to eliminate the "crew lounge" (C Zone) on the 757 during the winter months to teach a lesson to all of the LAX pilots and F/A's who decided to stay in LA and commute to base in PHL. With staffing levels at that time, there was no spare cabin jumpseat and only 1 cockpit jumpseat on the 300.

As far as US flying SFO-RDU, they probably did do that. RDU was a fairly large station post-merger. Many of the flights disappeared as they got their house in order, only to come back later as MetroJet flights.

[Edited 2007-10-31 00:14:07]
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 8):
Given the opportunity to fly a 777 or 767 cross country over a 737, I'd do it in a heartbeat, and I suspect you would too.

True I'd prefer a widebody if given the choice, but I moreso prefer going nonstop. I prefer flying SEA-BOS nonstop on a 737 rather than flying something like SEA-SFO-BOS just to get a bigger plane. 737s have opened up transcontinental routes to cities like SEA, PDX, SAN, SJC, OAK, SAN, LAS and many more to destinations other than big hubs.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting KSYR (Reply 13):
Why would US fly from SFO-RDU? Seems like a very unusual routing; was it a charter flight?

Back then, RDU was quickly becoming the Silicon Valley of the east, with many of the companies located in the Valley also opening up big shops in the Raleigh Durham area, and especially outside the airport in Research Triangle Park. IBM had huge opereations in San Jose, Cisco was just getting off the ground, and Nortel was starting to expand. My guess is they were probably trying to capture that market. For a while, American had flights from RDU to SJC, although I think they stopped them also.
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:17 pm

Quoting Wannabe (Reply 22):
Back then, RDU was quickly becoming the Silicon Valley of the east, with many of the companies located in the Valley also opening up big shops in the Raleigh Durham area, and especially outside the airport in Research Triangle Park. IBM had huge opereations in San Jose, Cisco was just getting off the ground, and Nortel was starting to expand. My guess is they were probably trying to capture that market. For a while, American had flights from RDU to SJC, although I think they stopped them also.

Sort of. RTP was and still is a huge technology corridor. Silicon Valley is more of a new age, new innovations corridor. RTP is more of the "once they get established, they move to a cheaper location" area. Many of the companies in RTP that would use the RDU-BAY flights are still present, but their presence is not as large in one or both areas. Although they are still crying out for nonstop flights to the BAY. IBM is still large in RTP, as well as CISCO and SAS. Nortel has dwindled in the past few years but starting to turn around. New corporations have come that would make the TechTrek work again.

I don't think American actually ever had a SJC flight. Midway did and I don't think it did very well. SFO would be a much better choice to capture all of the BAY as opposed to just one part of it. I also don't think there has ever been a nonstop to SFO from RDU.. or at least, according to the RDUAA. In one of their Newsletter, they were stating how Virgin (when the service is offered) would be the first airline to offer nonstop RDU-SFO.

Anyway, just thought I would interject something here..
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:33 pm

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 14):
it could of been a PSA related route

PSA never flew scheduled service to the east coast. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think USAir had dismantled the PSA network for the most part by '94 anyway.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:46 pm

Quoting RW170 (Reply 24):
I think USAir had dismantled the PSA network for the most part by '94 anyway.

The current PSA flies on the east coast, but there were never any PSA flights between coasts. PSA in its original form was all but gone by about May '91.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:55 pm

I knew the 300's had the aux tank (2750lbs IIRC). The DEN flight from PIT always had the aux tank and it was always slow to fill off of the center tank. Can't remember if the 400 had them or not.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:12 pm

I think these birds were designated 737-300LR's. They were commonplace on long hauls from CLT/PIT/PHL to the West coast for years.
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:16 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 8):
I take issue with the moniker "popular."

Replace 'popular' with 'economical', then. That and 'popular' with the airlines, not so 'popular' with customers.

CO in the 80's flew EWR-SJC/SNA/SAN, LAX-IAD and more with the 737-300's.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:35 pm

I absolutely SWEAR to you all, on my LIFE, the eastbound route was SFO-RDU-TPA. We landed at Raleigh-Durham airport, NOT Charlotte. I can't overstate how factual that is. Never in my life have I ever been in the CLT airport. And it was most extraordinarily a 737. Underwing engines. No T-tail. Therefore, not no 727.

The return was TPA-LAX-SFO.

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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:02 pm

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 1):
A 737-300 could make that run easily. I just looked and US had a flight that went SFO-PHL on a 737-300 back in 94' so SFO-RDU is doable.

When I was attending SJSU and USF, I used to take those 733 flights regularly to PIT & PHL from SFO. Those were the days. US actually showed full length movies on those flights had a full cold dinner service on the redeyes with those Aladdin trays. I used to take these flights as I was building up my mileage (200,000 eventually) so I could fly on BA in First & Club World (when BA owned 49% of US). I got connected with them in the PSA merger. US continued to fly the 733/734s even as they received the 75/76s to use on the transcons.
I remember US advertising, take US to PHL from SFO and you can fly on the 767. Continuing, as I remember the 767 didn't last long on the PHL-SFO route as it did LAX-PHL & CLT. They were mainly using 757s out of SFO along with the 733/734s.

Gosh. Those were the days. It's hard to believe US was a full service airline back in the day and now looking at them and what they have changed into...

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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:42 pm

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 4):
Transcon 737s are becoming more and more popular.

yep, primarily due to CO, DL, AS. AA doesnt rely on the 738 too much for their Transcons

SFO-RDU can be done nonstop in a 737. Depending on the time of year, it could take as little as four hours if the tailwinds are strong enough, and BTW the fuel needed for aviation is not by distance, but rather by Time, so they carry a certain amount of fuel depending on flight time.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:02 pm

A few years ago, while I was an F/A on the EMB145 (I was so closed minded and forgot how far you can go on certain a/c) my parents flew from ORF to one of those joints other than LAX on WN to see my grandpa in Hemet, CA. I think they had to stop in LAS. I never realized you could get that range on a 73... Then I thought about it, and it made sense. Back in '80 as a kid we flew a United 727 from Huntsville, AL and I don't remember stopping until ORD or DEN, if that. I was 9 years old at the time. But when I was 13 I remember flying a Tower, or TA, not TWA, from LAX to DAL, then home at the time to STL in '84 in a 747. When I went to BASIC at Lackland AFB we took either a DC9 or Fokker from RIC to PIT (the old one), then another USAir flight down to SAT. That was in '90. Then after BASIC we took a damn bus all the way to Witchita Falls, TX to tech school. After tech school, I took a B1900 from there to DAL, then DL L1011 to ATL, and can't remember what I took from there to RIC. After my leave, we drove all the way from RIC to PHL to at the time the MAC terminal and flew on a World Airways DC10 (cattle car), to refuel in Gander, New Foundland, and then onto my new base to Mildenhall. The only time I flew space available on MAC, even though I was MAC, was from MHZ to CHS. It was a great flight, I knew the flight crew so I hung out in the "boomer pit" most of the flight but I ate up two days of leave becuase I was too cheap to fly commercial. Since then it's all been United for me, as far as being a pax.

Commuting from RIC to back home to DEN, I could usually squeeze myself on the 530ish PM flight from IAD on the 777 to DEN. What really got me was flying a 777 from ORD to DEN if I couldn't get out of IAD. Just to let you know my airline flies for American Connection, United Express, and US Airways Express. The best way home is working an American Connection flight from our base in STL and overnighting in DEN and getting paid per diem to be home with the wife and kids. What's even more fun as an F/A we do have different uniforms, but if I really have to get around, and have short times, I'm stuck flying in uniform. It always trips the gate agents out when I'm in a different uniform. Once you are a regular and if you have to work with them they know you and they get a kick out of it. Especially if they are training a new gate agent. Just make sure you have your badge around your neck, so they can make sure you can fly.

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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:08 pm

BTW, a little of center, but anyone remember RDU planning a big cargo hub back in the late '80's?
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:16 pm

[quote=Airstud,reply=29][I absolutely SWEAR to you all, on my LIFE, the eastbound route was SFO-RDU-TPA. We landed at Raleigh-Durham airport, NOT Charlotte. I can't overstate how factual that is. Never in my life have I ever been in the CLT airport. And it was most extraordinarily a 737. Underwing engines. No T-tail. Therefore, not no 727.]

I believe you... I flew on one of those birds before. Most of those aircraft still are in the fleet. They just have the extra fuel tanks out and no tvs. The last time I flew on one was right in like 2002. In around that time they took out the extra fuel tanks. Around 2004, they took out the tv's. If you fly on a US 737 today, you can probably still see where the TV's were in the ceiling over the aisle, every 3-4 rows there are these square shaped thngs.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:54 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
Most people don't care. On the inside a 737 is hardly different from a 757 or A320.

The a320 has a little extra width, and every little bit helps....
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 8):
Given the opportunity to fly a 777 or 767 cross country over a 737, I'd do it in a heartbeat, and I suspect you would too.

Agreed. Back in 2002 I chose to take a flight on UA that would take me from ORD to DEN on a B777, then onto SJC on a A320. I figured I wouldn't get a chance to fly one in the near future so it was better than connecting in ORD to SJC on a A320.

On the return flight I took a B767 from DEN back to ORD...
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:03 am

Forget the past.. let's look to the future.. when will RDU get (another?) SFO flights?

United?

Virgin America?

Delta?

American?

Other carrier?
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:21 am

Quoting Rhodylee (Reply 3):
Are you sure it was going to RDU and not CLT?



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 14):
US used to have a ton of weird routes, it could of been a PSA related route, as well. I can also, re affirm the fact that US flew 737s trans-con a lot.

As others have posted, US never flew RDU to west coast nonstop in any scheduled form, a charter or diversion perhaps .
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 38):
As others have posted, US never flew RDU to west coast nonstop in any scheduled form, a charter or diversion perhaps .

Yeah, except NO.

SFO-RDU-TPA eastbound. Scheduled, revenue pax service. I am saying this for the last time.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting Airstud (Reply 39):
SFO-RDU-TPA eastbound. Scheduled, revenue pax service. I am saying this for the last time

Do you have a date/time frame for the flight? I have thousands of timetables and this is surprising. Would be interesting to look it up. Who knows, might learn something new. I just found out not too long ago, that OZ used to serve FPO. So anything's possible.

Follow up, didn't realize you'd posted a date. The Nov 1993 OAG doesn't have a SFO-RDU nonstop, so it was obviously begun after then.  Smile

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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:42 am

Do they call their extra tanks ACTs? (Additional Center Tank). Just curious...

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 40):
Do you have a date/time frame for the flight? I have thousands of timetables and this is surprising. Would be interesting to look it up. Who knows, might learn something new. I just found out not too long ago, that OZ used to serve FPO. So anything's possible.

It's really not that surprising, at one point RDU made up more than 5% of US's total O&D traffic.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:25 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 14):
US used to have a ton of weird routes, it could of been a PSA related route, as well. I can also, re affirm the fact that US flew 737s trans-con a lot.

Let us not forget the ill-fated Flight 1493, which collided with Skywest 5569 at LAX on February 2, 1991 - it was a 733 flying a routing that we'd today never expect US to fly: SYR-CMH-LAX.
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:15 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 41):
Do they call their extra tanks ACTs? (Additional Center Tank). Just curious...

I believe they were called 737-300/400EOW for Extended (range)/Over Water. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall, these ships had the extra fuel tanks and overwater equipment (rafts, vests, survival kit, etc.) for extended range operations.
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:39 pm

Quoting Airstud (Reply 29):
The return was TPA-LAX-SFO.

That was probably also on a 734. I flew that around the same time. That's a long run, though it's still 250 miles shorter than LAX-RDU.
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:01 pm

US operates the 737-300ER and the 737-400ER. Longer range versions of the -300/400 series. These are designated with N5.. and N7... Easy way to tell them apart from the standard range airplanes.
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:17 pm

All the extra crap has been removed to save money. =(
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:23 pm

I flew from KDCA to KSEA on a Alaska 737-800. The -800s really have some range. Alaska flys DCA to SFO and LAX non stop too.
 
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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:42 am

I'm surprised no one mentioned the Midway II RDU-SJC flights on -700's. Or the Pro Air -400 flights between Detroit and Seattle. Not quite a transcon per se, but definitely a long leg just the same. Or, if you want to count 727's, KIWI ran between LAS and EWR.

And yes, USAir did indeed fly round trips between SNA and PIT for several years in the '90's.

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RE: 737 SFO-RDU Nonstop - Who Believes Me?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:11 am

I would believe you if you said a 737 does EWR to SEA, or SEA to CUN.
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