shadez
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Spirit To PTY

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:09 am

No announcement, but bookable beginning Jan 31st. 11:00 pm flights on Mon, Thurs, Sat
 
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:55 am

Is this part of the 10 new Caribbean/South American destinations NK will announce soon?

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RE: Spirit To PTY

Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
Is this part of the 10 new Caribbean/South American destinations NK will announce soon?

Yes.

NK 907 FLL 2300-0200 PTY 319 MoThSa
NK 914 PTY 0250-0545 FLL 319 TuFrSu
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:25 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Yes.

Has NK announced the other 9 destinations? I thaught they would announce all the 10 destinations all at once.

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RE: Spirit To PTY

Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:28 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
Has NK announced the other 9 destinations? I thaught they would announce all the 10 destinations all at once.

No, they will not be announced at once, they will be announced gradually over the span of at least three months.
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:46 pm

Interesting schedule, very attractive for weekend travel for anybody who doesn't mind flying late at night.
I don't work for COPA Airlines!
 
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 5):
Interesting schedule, very attractive for weekend travel for anybody who doesn't mind flying late at night.

Good use of an aircraft that was probably sitting all night in FLL not generating any $$$$!!!
 
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:31 pm

GREAT news! my family just paid 900 a piece PTY-MIA to come for my graduation. Hopefully it will become daily soon.

Now I will be able to go for Carnavales for the first time in 5 years!
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:33 pm

PTY also shows on their route map as well.

Of the reported 9 remaining cities, I'd venture to guess a few of these could be on the list:

BZE
STX
CZM
STI
POP

then of course Colombia destinations if they get any frequencies from the USDOT
 
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:11 pm

I think it is great that Spirit continues expanding!! But what I think is really really crappy is that as an employee of Spirit, we only find out about this kind of stuff through Airliners.net or other online sources and not from our own company.
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:11 pm

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 8):

then of course Colombia destinations if they get any frequencies from the USDOT

Bogota, Barranquilla, and Chiclayo are planned for 2008, but don't count as those 10 new destinations.
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:16 pm

Does anyone know what happened to the DTW-SFO Service?

The Route used to be a dashed orange for Summer only Service, but now it's gone.

Is this a seasonal thing, or did NK drop SFO?


- KristPort
 
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:25 am

That reminds me of the flights Iberia used to have to Panama from Miami, leaving at 11:55 PM. Arriving in Panama at 2:30 AM. At what time are the returning flights from Panama to FLL?
 
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting Charlipr (Reply 6):
Good use of an aircraft that was probably sitting all night in FLL not generating any $$$$!!!

And taking up a gate that really is not available as well.

Craig
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:29 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
NK 907 FLL 2300-0200 PTY 319 MoThSa
NK 914 PTY 0250-0545 FLL 319 TuFrSu

Related to their operations in Central America, NK is supplying exclusively red-eyes for FLL-MGA-FLL and FLL-SAP-FLL
Both FLL-GUA-FLL and FLL-SJO-FLL are daylights.
In addition, a seasonal red-eye worked for FLL-SJO-FLL.


Any chance for AA FLL-PTY-FLL in the future?
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 14):

Any chance for AA FLL-PTY-FLL in the future?

Probably, no. AA's FLL destinations to Central America/Caribbean cater to VFR markets and leisure travelers. PTY is a heavy business market. If AA adds another international destination from FLL, it will most likely be KIN or MGA.
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:59 pm

I´m still trying to hang on to the idea of CCS-FLL, Government permitting.

Best,

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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:12 pm

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 8):
Of the reported 9 remaining cities, I'd venture to guess a few of these could be on the list:

BZE

The hiccup here is that BZE would have to be a daylight op unless, Bze Airports wants to invest in a better lighting system to go to round the clock ops.
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:31 pm

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 17):

The hiccup here is that BZE would have to be a daylight op unless, Bze Airports wants to invest in a better lighting system to go to round the clock ops.

That's not a hiccup. BZE is a tourist destination, not VFR. NK would likely not do a redeye to BZE.
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:10 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
That's not a hiccup. BZE is a tourist destination, not VFR. NK would likely not do a redeye to BZE.

To S. Fla...is is very very much VFR....lots of Belizeans enjoy shopping in So Fla (I don't know why!), lots of Belizean Americans living in So Fla, and lots of commuters (MIA-BZE on Mon, BZE-MIA of Fri) who want the best of both worlds. Thsi is why AA keeps it 2Xdaily.....all of it is very high yielding too....AA sends the low yield via DFW.

As a matter of fact I know of a few of the commuters who actually live in FLL.

Having said that a 319 will be overkill...unless they come in with rock bottom fares, then every Tom Dick and Harry will want to go to Sawgrass mills to shop.
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:11 pm

Quoting KristPort (Reply 11):
Does anyone know what happened to the DTW-SFO Service?

SFO is always seasonal for us...

Quoting TheChadinFLL (Reply 9):
But what I think is really really crappy is that as an employee of Spirit, we only find out about this kind of stuff through Airliners.net or other online sources and not from our own company.

I agree.. I found it on our website in the city text... not even a press release yet on our site
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:57 pm

Quoting Nkops (Reply 20):
Quoting KristPort (Reply 11):
Does anyone know what happened to the DTW-SFO Service?

SFO is always seasonal for us...

Not scheduled to return next year, though.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 19):
To S. Fla...is is very very much VFR....lots of Belizeans enjoy shopping in So Fla (I don't know why!), lots of Belizean Americans living in So Fla, and lots of commuters (MIA-BZE on Mon, BZE-MIA of Fri) who want the best of both worlds.

Not in the traditional sense, and nowhere near the bulk needed to support a redeye. Spirit plans to fly to Belize has a daylight. The majority of the traffic is US-originating tourist traffic.
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:44 pm

Peeps r gonna be switching from Copa out of MIA to Spirit, nice competition. CM might have to adjust prices just a tiny lil' bit, lol

El DE approves this new route!
 
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:47 pm

Quoting C172pic (Reply 22):
Peeps r gonna be switching from Copa out of MIA to Spirit, nice competition. CM might have to adjust prices just a tiny lil' bit, lol

Not with a redeye schedule. Plus, Copa uses Concourse J which makes FLL look like an even bigger dump than it already is (and on top of that, FLL's immigration makes MIA's seem smooth).
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:49 pm

If the price is right, I would switch, FO SHO! No doubt, son!

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RE: Spirit To PTY

Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting C172pic (Reply 24):
If the price is right, I would switch, FO SHO! No doubt, son!

I'm not saying some people won't. However, many people won't for various reasons. First, FLL is not as conviently located to Miami for business travelers; secondly Spirit is offering only three flights a week. COPA offers three flights a day. Third COPA flies to a much nicer and easier to use facility, with faster security and faster immigration. Fourth, COPA offers flights are typical times, not redeyes (which do work for Latin markets, but aren't everyone's favourite).
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
Quoting C172pic (Reply 24):
If the price is right, I would switch, FO SHO! No doubt, son!

I'm not saying some people won't. However, many people won't for various reasons. First, FLL is not as conviently located to Miami for business travelers; secondly Spirit is offering only three flights a week. COPA offers three flights a day. Third COPA flies to a much nicer and easier to use facility, with faster security and faster immigration. Fourth, COPA offers flights are typical times, not redeyes (which do work for Latin markets, but aren't everyone's favourite).

People like me wont mind (poor college student), I am trying to buy a ticket on the inaugural flight to go to carnivales in las tablas! (start feb 1st!) but the website wont let me purchase it, will call in tomorrow, I am a Elite at Spirit so it should not be that difficult, will let you know how it goes!

CM and AA might have to drop prices a little bit, but the effect wont be that much, it may be the end of 900 PTY-MIA but we might still see 6 or 7 hundred dollar fares.
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:49 am

I think it is crappy that NK charges the passangers for checking their bags for a trip. Also, they are charging for any and all drinks and snacks on board the aircraft. NK was a nice airline to work with as a travel agent. But, now they are just rude to T/A's and could care less if we book anyone on them. $10.00 for the first checked bag is alot of money when you are a family of 4 or more. And they are pulling out of DTW (their offices and pilot base). So we will see the F/A's base go. Their Res center in Eastpoint is closed.

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RE: Spirit To PTY

Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 26):
CM and AA might have to drop prices a little bit, but the effect wont be that much, it may be the end of 900 PTY-MIA but we might still see 6 or 7 hundred dollar fares.

It won't be the end of $900 fares just yet. Spirit isn't adding enough capacity, at least at first, to make a significant dent.
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 27):
I think it is crappy that NK charges the passangers for checking their bags for a trip. Also, they are charging for any and all drinks and snacks on board the aircraft. NK was a nice airline to work with as a travel agent. But, now they are just rude to T/A's and could care less if we book anyone on them. $10.00 for the first checked bag is alot of money when you are a family of 4 or more. And they are pulling out of DTW (their offices and pilot base). So we will see the F/A's base go. Their Res center in Eastpoint is closed.

So what? if you want free baggage check in and free snacks and drinks then pay the 7-8-9 hundred dollar fares in CM or AA. With NK you pay for a seat, period.

And besides it says it in big red bold letters when you purchase your ticket that you can save 5 bucks if you book your bast online or it will cost you ten at the counter. People want 300 dollar fares and lobster dinner with champagne, PTVs and 40 inch seat pitch, be realistic.

I think all airlines should charge for bags, or maybe one free and the rest charged, bags weigh, and weight increases fuel burn, why should I that only take a carry on with me have to pay for the bags of the lady that wants to bring half the clothes in Dolphin Mall with her?
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:49 am

While there are new destinations coming on, looking ahead into March, some cities are seeing frequency cuts:

Cayman- Friday, Sunday
Guatemala City- Tues, Fri, Sun
Managua- Mon, Thurs, Sat
San Pedro Sula- Tues, Fri, Sunday
St Maarten- Sat


I don't know if this has to do aircraft availability with new destinations, with gate space, or if NK just simply has not finalized their schedule that far down the line yet with all the new cities being started up.

BTW... Spirit finally put out a press release:
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/071101/20071101006642.html?.v=1

[Edited 2007-11-01 20:17:09]
 
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting Shadez (Reply 30):
Guatemala City- Tues, Fri, Sun

So what happens to the daily LAX?
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:24 pm

It looks like LAX-GUA is done.
 
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:13 pm

If they can't make SXM work on a Saturday, then they have big problems.
 
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:02 pm

Quoting Phllax (Reply 33):
If they can't make SXM work on a Saturday, then they have big problems.

Is SXM performing bad for NK?

A388
 
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:30 am

LAX-GUA is gone effective January 8th.

While Spirit offered some very attractive rates, the carriers unwillingness to work with the ethnic travel agencies and consolidators which pretty own the traffic on these routes killed their chances.

Also does not help Spirit lacked any real advertising getting its name out above all the noise in the huge LA media market if it was to have any chance in selling directly to consumers via its preferred method of the internet.
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:37 am

In addition to SJO service, I think they would be wise to try to apply for landing rights to LIR.
I think once they introduce PTY and BZE, they got it pretty much covered. TGU only has service to MIA with Taca and AA. Maybe they don't need more? But San Salvador could use another carrier to compete head on with TA on FLL-SAL and LAX-SAL. This will be great for the competition. I am in favor of more expansion to Latin America.

As for BZE, I think it's a tourist spot, yes, but many people I know who live there say there's not much to see - pérhaps because they are use to it. Why expand there? So much service already.
Here's the current list of US operators (except TA) that fly to BZE.

AA - DFW, MIA
CO - IAH, EWR,
DL - ATL - already downgraded to CR7 from mainline, LAX.
NK - with the new service, FLL.
TA - IAH, MIA
US - CLT (by the way, I see a lot of travellers from YYZ with tags to BZE via CLT).

What's so interesting about BZE?
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shadez
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 36):
In addition to SJO service, I think they would be wise to try to apply for landing rights to LIR.
I think once they introduce PTY and BZE, they got it pretty much covered. TGU only has service to MIA with Taca and AA. Maybe they don't need more? But San Salvador could use another carrier to compete head on with TA on FLL-SAL and LAX-SAL. This will be great for the competition. I am in favor of more expansion to Latin America.

NK is expected to go to Roatan and Liberia as their next Central American destinations
 
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RE: Spirit To PTY

Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:45 am

Quoting Shadez (Reply 37):

Oh good. In Roatan, not a lot to see there. Just an island. Yet some flights go there from IAH and ATL.
LIR has flights, scheduled and chartered, from all over. I don't see how it is a relief airport for SJO since it is so far away to the north. SJO is expanding well, but there are times that I see it quite empty.
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