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Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:01 pm

Jet to connect LAX, and IAD via Brussels in Feb. 2008. Not clear as to the origin points in India for these flights. As BLR will not be ready until April 2008, I suspect HYD, AMD, and ATQ will be competing for these two origin points.

If everything goes as planned, then by Feb.2008 Jet will connect five Indian cities to five NA cities via BRU--this will provide a total of 25 one-stop city pairs between India and NA.

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Jet Airways plans to fly to Brussels, its European hub, from five more cities — Calcutta, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad, Amrtisar and Bangalore.

Once the bilateral aviation treaty between Belgium and India is reviewed, we can double the number to 56 and include more cities. Jet has launched flights to Toronto and New York via Brussels. In the US, there are also direct flights to Newark, which is in New Jersey, from Mumbai.

Goyal said Jet planned to fly to three more US cities from February. The flights are to San Francisco, Los Angeles and Washington DC.The airline recently announced flights to Shanghai from Mumbai.

http://avindia.blogspot.com/

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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:19 pm

I guess thats good for PNQIAD and myself who would have another option to fly to India from IAD. We shall just have to wait for the formal announcements, time, date and equipment.

I guess they could do HYD-BRU-LAX and CCU-BRU-IAD and if they can get more slots, start AMD-BRU-ORD, BLR-BRU-YVR, ATQ-BRU-IAH.

This would be good additions, according to me, to their BOM-BRU-EWR, DEL-BRU-JFK, MAA-BRU-YYZ and the soon to be BOM-PVG-SFO sectors.

Can't wait to see 9W at IAD.
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:37 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
As BLR will not be ready until April 2008, I suspect HYD, AMD, and ATQ will be competing for these two origin points.

I just realised that the new airport at HYD will not be ready until April 2008. This leaves AMD, ATQ, and CCU in running for the two origin points. IMO, AMD has the strongest case, and CCU the weakest.

Smart move by Jet in not going for ORD first as there exists competition from AA and AI, and instead opting for LAX and IAD which are clearly underserved markets.
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:38 pm

This is really great for BRU and Jet Airways.

Hope it will work well.

Will this be the first flight between BRU and LAX non-stop.
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:40 pm

So Jet will add SFO, IAD, and LAX in the same month? Good for them. I like the growth, though I'd like to see an eventual BRU flight for SFO, perhaps to compliment the PVG flight.
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:42 pm

Score one for the home team!!! Cant wait to travel from LAX-BRU with them!

There is one thing that confuses me, why is the SFO flight routed through PVG when the rest are through BRU? Wouldnt it make more sense to have the SFO flight through BRU too since BRU will have a larger bank to connect from? I know its 45 minutes further, but its still confusing.

Also will 9W have a FF relationship with any of the American Carriers?
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:43 pm

Any chances of them routing more West Coast US flights through a city in the East (China, Korea, Japan)? I can see the point of consolidating traffic through one hub in BRU, but I would guess there is room for more one-stops through East Asia between India and the West Coast?
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:45 pm

Quoting Travellin'man (Reply 6):
Any chances of them routing more West Coast US flights through a city in the East (China, Korea, Japan)? I can see the point of consolidating traffic through one hub in BRU, but I would guess there is room for more one-stops through East Asia between India and the West Coast?

I'd guess LAX might see one eventually, just as I guess SFO will probably see one eventually via Europe.
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:47 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 4):
So Jet will add SFO, IAD, and LAX in the same month? Good for them. I like the growth, though I'd like to see an eventual BRU flight for SFO, perhaps to compliment the PVG flight.



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
There is one thing that confuses me, why is the SFO flight routed through PVG when the rest are through BRU? Wouldnt it make more sense to have the SFO flight through BRU too since BRU will have a larger bank to connect from? I know its 45 minutes further, but its still confusing.

I think in due course, SFO will have a second flight via BRU. Jet's decision to offer BOM-PVG-SFO may have more to do with cornering the limited unused rights available between India-China.
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:23 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 8):
I think in due course, SFO will have a second flight via BRU. Jet's decision to offer BOM-PVG-SFO may have more to do with cornering the limited unused rights available between India-China.

It makes sense. Plus, it can capture some of the local traffic in the huge PVG-SFO market as well.

I'd like to see a BRU flight though.
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:57 pm

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 1):

Excellent news...... If I had not booked tix for my Dec. trip - I would have been quite tempted to postpone the journey a bit  Smile

It's also a shame 9W beats AI in starting untapped US destination with a lot of potential for an Indian carrier.
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:17 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 9):
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 8):
I think in due course, SFO will have a second flight via BRU. Jet's decision to offer BOM-PVG-SFO may have more to do with cornering the limited unused rights available between India-China.

It makes sense. Plus, it can capture some of the local traffic in the huge PVG-SFO market as well.

To/from the west coast it's also shorter via the Pacific than via Europe. Not a huge difference but elapsed time via Europe would probably be longer than on other carriers via their Pacific hubs and thus not as competitive. Examples:

BOM-PVG-SFO 8052 nm
BOM-BRU-SFO 8525 nm
BOM-SFO nonstop 7305 nm
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:26 am

Is this the first non-stop regularly scheduled California-Brussels service since People Express from SFO or Citybird OAK and LAX flights?
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
To/from the west coast it's also shorter via the Pacific than via Europe. Not a huge difference but elapsed time via Europe would probably be longer than on other carriers via their Pacific hubs and thus not as competitive. Examples:

BOM-PVG-SFO 8052 nm
BOM-BRU-SFO 8525 nm
BOM-SFO nonstop 7305 nm

Kingfisher has stated that it plans to offer only non-stop flights to NA. In that case Kingfisher's BOM-SFO--when offered-- will be about 5 hours shorter duration than Jet's BOM-PVG-SFO.
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:56 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
Jet to connect LAX, and IAD via Brussels in Feb. 2008.

No one's said a word about this around the office. I will have to ask about it tomorrow...
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 13):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
To/from the west coast it's also shorter via the Pacific than via Europe. Not a huge difference but elapsed time via Europe would probably be longer than on other carriers via their Pacific hubs and thus not as competitive. Examples:

BOM-PVG-SFO 8052 nm
BOM-BRU-SFO 8525 nm

Wouldn't prevailing West winds make SFO-BRU-BOM-PVG-SFO the quickest round trip?
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 14):
Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
Jet to connect LAX, and IAD via Brussels in Feb. 2008.

No one's said a word about this around the office. I will have to ask about it tomorrow...

We will be eagerly awaiting the news, do let us know  Smile

Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 10):
Excellent news...... If I had not booked tix for my Dec. trip - I would have been quite tempted to postpone the journey a bit

I am planning a trip in april, i think i will go with 9W, lets see  Smile

Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 10):
It's also a shame 9W beats AI in starting untapped US destination with a lot of potential for an Indian carrier.

I have said many times before and will say it again-they have no strategy for their routes, someone needs to make the management sit down and discuss routes before putting the new planes on the NYC runs.
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:26 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 15):
Wouldn't prevailing West winds make SFO-BRU-BOM-PVG-SFO the quickest round trip?

Agree, for points where eastbound and westbound mileage is roughly equal, an eastbound round-the-world routing would generally be the fastest due to the most usual prevailing winds.
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 12):
Is this the first non-stop regularly scheduled California-Brussels service since People Express from SFO or Citybird OAK and LAX flights?

Not a all, now defunct Belgian carrier, VG Airlines had several LAX-BRU runs a week (3 or so years ago) using A332s...what colorful jet and too bad they're no longer around.

But lookin' forward to 9W 77W svc here (LAX) and trying them out! Did Air India...and they'd better get their act together STAT!!! with 9W movin' in with all new equip. and probably more frequencies-


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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 2):
just realised that the new airport at HYD will not be ready until April 2008

Actually that might not be such a constraint, as I don't think the current Begumpet airport (HYD) is slot constrained at the midnight hours that 9W will want.
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:09 am

So, is this the current forecast for Jet's schedules?

AMD-LHR -- A330-200 (3x weekly)
ATQ-LHR -- A330-200
BOM-LHR -- 777-300ER (2x daily)
DEL-LHR -- 777-300ER
BOM-PVG-SFO -- 777-300ER
(India)-BRU 5x daily -- 3x 777-300ER, 2x A330-200
BRU-LAX -- 777-300ER
BRU-IAD -- A330-200
BRU-JFK -- 777-300ER
BRU-EWR -- 777-300ER
BRU-YYZ -- A330-200
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:18 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 20):
BRU-LAX -- 777-300ER

Will be looking fwd to seeing this 77W at LAX!

Question: which terminal would they use? TBIT, or would they go with T2?

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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:38 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 20):
So, is this the current forecast for Jet's schedules?

AMD-LHR -- A330-200 (3x weekly)
ATQ-LHR -- A330-200
BOM-LHR -- 777-300ER (2x daily)
DEL-LHR -- 777-300ER

Are those segments already effective as of today ?



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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:14 pm

GREAT news for 9W and the IAD community. I'm sure the people living in the Fairfax, Manassas area will appreciate another choice of carrier to fly home with  Smile There is a flux of indian population in that area and kudos to 9W for tapping this potential.

AI seems like its really lagging behind in this race and 9W is fast growing. I won't be surprised to see that in the near future, when people think of going to India, 9W will strike their mind first rather than AI.

Kudos to 9W again  Smile
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:26 pm

Quoting Buck3y3nut (Reply 23):
I'm sure the people living in the Fairfax, Manassas area will appreciate another choice of carrier to fly home with There is a flux of indian population in that area and kudos to 9W for tapping this potential.

Between Virginia and Maryland, the Indian-American population is around 100,000 as per 2000 Census. The total Indian population in USA is projected to double by 2010 which would take the DC area Indian American population to about 200,000.
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:55 pm

Amritsar to LA....balle balle  Smile
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:22 pm

What no flights to ORD, IAH, or DFW! These cities have bigger Indian populations than IAD, I believe.
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:57 pm

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 26):
What no flights to ORD, IAH, or DFW! These cities have bigger Indian populations than IAD, I believe.

The top five states with Indian population as per 2000 census are:

California - 314,819
New York - 251,724
New Jersey - 169,180
Illinois - 124,723
Texas - 129,365
The 2000 census indicates total Indian population of about 1.7 million in USA. BTW, US Census predicts a doubling of Indian population by 2010 to about 3.5 million people.

Virginia and Maryland together have about 100,000. Given the competition at ORD, it makes more sense to start IAD first. As for IAH or DFW, Jet should consider starting them soon--may be sooner than ORD--to preempt AI from launching first.
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 27):
he top five states with Indian population as per 2000 census are:

California - 314,819
New York - 251,724
New Jersey - 169,180
Illinois - 124,723
Texas - 129,365

Looking at the 2000 data from a market perspective:

CA is two markets - SoCal and Bay Area - approx 160,000 per LAX and SFO.

NY+NJ is one market so 420,000 for NYC airports
Illinois - 125,000 for ORD
Texas is two markets - IAH and DFW, so 65,000 per market.
DC area market is 100,000, all for IAD.

This is just for Diaspora travel. I would think Biz travel is skyrocketing to India right now...

What do you think?
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:40 pm

Quoting Comorin (Reply 28):
NY+NJ is one market so 420,000 for NYC airports

I lived in NJ for four years around 1996-2000, and hardly took any flights to India out of JFK.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 28):
CA is two markets - SoCal and Bay Area - approx 160,000 per LAX and SFO.

I suppose SFO is a stronger business market.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 28):
Texas is two markets - IAH and DFW, so 65,000 per market

Texas may have a harder time attracting an Indian carrier for a daily service to each location. 3x week to IAH and DFW may be all that one can expect.
 
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RE: Jet To Fly To LAX And IAD In Feb. 2008

Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:14 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 20):
So, is this the current forecast for Jet's schedules?

AMD-LHR -- A330-200 (3x weekly)

There was some talk of discontinuing this in Jan 08.
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