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Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:43 pm

I recall seeing a small EL AL aircraft @ Montreal Mirabel. It looked smaller than a 767 (then again, maybe I couldn't figure out the difference) more like a 737 but had an EL AL livery. I know that in March 1984 LY's first international Boeing 767 flight was Montreal/Tel Aviv.

My question is till what year did they fly to YMX direct?
Did they ever ferry passengers to JFK to catch the TLV flight?
Did they ever had a feeder a/c in LY livery stationed in North America (prior to using North American Airlines)?

Thanks for your help
 
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RE: Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:40 pm

If memory correct LY operated feeder service YMX-MIA for a while in the 1980s. That was probably what you saw. 737s were used on that sector but I think it was under a charter/lease agreement and the YMX-MIA sector was operated by another airline. Perhaps the aircraft had LY identification.
 
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RE: Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:40 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
If memory correct LY operated feeder service YMX-MIA for a while in the 1980s. That was probably what you saw. 737s were used on that sector but I think it was under a charter/lease agreement and the YMX-MIA sector was operated by another airline. Perhaps the aircraft had LY identification.

Thanks Viscount,

North American Airlines did operate as a feeder to LY in north America, but I couldn't find any 737 in its fleet then and any picture in a Livery other than its own. The only reason I asked this question is that at the time that LY plane looked like the smallest plane on the Tarmac and definitely didn't look like a plane that could do such a long flight.

Thanks again and enjoy those Swiss chocolates.
 
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RE: Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:19 pm

Nordair used to operate a B737-200 on behalf of LY, YMX-MIA-YMX. I am not sure if it was ever painted in LY colours, or if even stickers were placed on the aircraft.
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RE: Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting CF105Arrow (Reply 2):
North American Airlines did operate as a feeder to LY in north America, but I couldn't find any 737 in its fleet then and any picture in a Livery other than its own.



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 3):
Nordair used to operate a B737-200 on behalf of LY, YMX-MIA-YMX. I am not sure if it was ever painted in LY colours, or if even stickers were placed on the aircraft.

Thanks for the reminder. Yes, it was Nordair. I doubt they painted a 737 in full LY livery since that YMX-MIA feeder service was only a couple of times a week, based on whatever LY's TLV-YMX frequency was then which I'm sure wasn't more than that.
 
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RE: Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:09 am

Yes, you are right, also, LY security procedures often left the aircraft untitled.

I am not sure if it was the same time frame, but Nordair also used to operate B737-200 flights out of YMX for Sabena. This arrangement was different, as the aircraft was owned by Sabena, in full Sabena colours, and was technically leased to ND to operate the flights for them.
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RE: Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:43 pm

I clearly recall the livery the plane. If it was a Nordair or a North American Airlines, I wouldn't have made the connection as I didn't know then that they operated some flights for LY. The period was 88 to 90. Then maybe it was a larger LY a/c doing the route directly and I thought it was small because it was surrounded by even larger jets  embarrassed , never know
 
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RE: Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:14 pm

Quoting CF105Arrow (Reply 6):
I clearly recall the livery the plane. If it was a Nordair or a North American Airlines, I wouldn't have made the connection as I didn't know then that they operated some flights for LY. The period was 88 to 90.

It wasn't Nordair if it was 1988-90 as Nordair merged with CP Air around 1986 if memory correct.
 
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RE: Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:59 pm

OK,

While we're at it (though a little off-topic), here's a question:

Back in 1988, I flew TLV-Montreal-Toronto with LY and AC.
TLV-Montreal was on a classic LY 747, which landed in an an airport that had funny buses that after approaching the aircraft actually lifted and connected to the a/c door.
From there, I think we were driven to a different airport in Montreal, where we boarded an AC aircraft enroute to Toronto. I clearly recall the layout on that a/c being 2-3.

My questions to all you Canadians out there are:
1. In which airport in Montreal did I land?
2. To which airport did I transfer to fly to Toronto?
3. Could I have flown an AC DC-9 enroute Montreal-Toronto?

Answers will be much appreciated!

--Focus
 
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RE: Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:12 pm

Quoting Focus (Reply 8):
OK,

While we're at it (though a little off-topic), here's a question:

Back in 1988, I flew TLV-Montreal-Toronto with LY and AC.
TLV-Montreal was on a classic LY 747, which landed in an an airport that had funny buses that after approaching the aircraft actually lifted and connected to the a/c door.
From there, I think we were driven to a different airport in Montreal, where we boarded an AC aircraft enroute to Toronto. I clearly recall the layout on that a/c being 2-3.

My questions to all you Canadians out there are:
1. In which airport in Montreal did I land?
2. To which airport did I transfer to fly to Toronto?
3. Could I have flown an AC DC-9 enroute Montreal-Toronto?

Answers will be much appreciated!

--Focus

1 You landed @YMX
2 You transfered to YUL
3 Am not sure on this one but it was probably a Rapidair 727-200
 
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RE: Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:21 pm

Quoting CF105Arrow (Reply 9):
3 Am not sure on this one but it was probably a Rapidair 727-200

Thanks for the quick reply.
I doubt it was a 727. I clearly recall a 2-3 layout, and I vaguely remember "Mcdonnell Douglas" titles on the safety card.
For years, I thought it was an MD-83, but I'm not sure AC ever had those (if you don't consider the DC-9 as an early MD-80).

--Focus
 
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RE: Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:27 pm

Prior to using North American Airlines, El Al was using First Air B727-100's to provide connecting service from YMX to BOS, ORD and MIA. This was operated for a few years in the very late 80s early 90s, the B721's were operated by First Air crews with the addition of one extra LY flight attendant and aircraft in standard First Air colours, no changes or stickers were added to the aircraft. The flights were flown using an El Al callsign with ATC. First Air also operated a DTW-YMX service for Sabena, also using the Sabena callsign with ATC.


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RE: Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:32 pm

Quoting Focus (Reply 10):
Quoting CF105Arrow (Reply 9):
3 Am not sure on this one but it was probably a Rapidair 727-200

Thanks for the quick reply.
I doubt it was a 727. I clearly recall a 2-3 layout, and I vaguely remember "Mcdonnell Douglas" titles on the safety card.
For years, I thought it was an MD-83, but I'm not sure AC ever had those (if you don't consider the DC-9 as an early MD-80).

Then you might be correct, They never had MD-83 but operated DC-9-32 between 1966 and 2002. AC DC9 link: http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/historical/md-dc9.html
 
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RE: Late 80's El Al @ YMX Question

Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting CF105Arrow (Reply 12):
Then you might be correct, They never had MD-83 but operated DC-9-32 between 1966 and 2002. AC DC9 link: http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fl....html

Very minor correction -- AC's first DC-9-32 was delivered in 1967. However they did operate 6 DC-9-14s starting in 1966. They were only intended as a stopgap while waiting for the -32s to be delivered and were returned to Douglas in 1968.

For several years in the 1970s AC again operated the short-fuselage DC-9 when they purchased 8 DC-9-15s from CO in 1972/73. They had a main deck cargo door and were used for both passenger and cargo service. They were all sold to Air Florida between 1977 and 1981. AC's last scheduled DC-9-32 flight was LGA-YUL on January 18, 2002.