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Shouldnt Emirates Have Tried Out The 744?

Wed Aug 23, 2000 8:49 pm

I think Emirates should have ordered the 747-400 first,it would have given them a better idea of how feasible it is to operate a big aircraft type before they decided to become launch customers for the A3XX.
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IndianGuy
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RE: Shouldnt Emirates Have Tried Out The 744?

Wed Aug 23, 2000 9:33 pm


Though they do have 777's in their fleet, the Emirates business model is built mainly on a Airbus fleet. I havent really understood why they went in for the 777's of which they have around 9, as they also have the 330-200's, which are similar in size. Perhaps they might phase these out?

i think the Emirates route structure is more suited to the 200-300 seaters. I hear they have also ordered the A340-500's which i suspect will be used for high-freq services to the US, which fits in with my theory perfectly.

I dont see the 744's fitting into EK's route structure at all. Even the A3XX order seems a little baffling. Perhaps they intend to operate these super-jumbos on 'slave flights' to India/Pakistan and South-East Asia. And anyway, i dont think the A3XX is all that bigger than the 747 and its derivatives; not the -100 version anyway.

The reason they went in for the A3XX is probably for reasons of fleet commonality more than anything else. They felt that they need a larger aircraft around 2005, and it makes sense to stick to one mfr.


 
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RE: Shouldnt Emirates Have Tried Out The 744?

Wed Aug 23, 2000 11:03 pm

Just few years ago Emirates operated a fleet 0f 16 aircraft comprising 10 A310-300 and 6 A300-600R.
EK was just a thorn in the side of Gulf Air and had no route to the USA.
Now Emirates is becoming one of the leading airlines in the developement of new aircrafts such as the Airbus A3XX and Boeing 777-200X/300X.
It represent the air branch of an important nation in a very important area of the planet.
So, in my opinion, is normal that Boeing and Airbus are pushing Emirates to become launch customer of their new products.
Emirates knows this thing and, even if they don't need a very large aircraft (are really EK routes so busy to need a 555 seats plane?), they will be launch customer for such a "status symbol" the A3XX is, that's why they preferred to order the A3XX instead of the 744.
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jaysit
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RE: Shouldnt Emirates Have Tried Out The 744?

Wed Aug 23, 2000 11:14 pm

Actually, Emirates operates a few of their 777-300s in a high density 400+ passenger configuration. They operate these aircraft to India/Pakistan and the UK. The A332 is a much smaller aircraft which seats only 250 or so pax.

You're right that the A3XX-100 series is not that much larger than a 744. Emirates plan on configuring it for 525 pax. Apparently, their flights to India and London Heathrow run at 85% + load factors, 3-4 times a day, so they believe they have the potential for growth to take on the A3XX for such routes.

I think they plan on becoming a middle eastern SIA over the next 20 years, if Dubai succeeds in becoming a new Singapore, so an aviation hub in Dubai to rival Singapore is their long term plan. They seem to be slowly and surely getting there.
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shankly
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RE: Shouldnt Emirates Have Tried Out The 744?

Thu Aug 24, 2000 1:19 am

Over the years, I've flown EK's A310's A300-600's and 773's to and from Heathrow. The planes were always full.

My bet is that the first A3XX revenue flight will be Dubai-Heathrow and that this route will form the basis of the A3XX launch - maybe Hong Kong in the other direction?

In terms of the 744, it would be a bit wasted on EK's route structure which has a typical flight time of 5/6 hours. Also it will be sometime B4 Dubai-USA could sustain a 400+ seater. You'll see an X series twin plying these routes before the four engined boys get involved.
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