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More Europe On Avianca

Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:23 pm

http://www.larepublica.com.co/grandesen.php


Avianca will add at least 3 more destinations in Europe. They said they have applied for Frankfurt, Paris and London.

Also BAQ will see more flights to Central America and USA, on 2008.

Competiton will be hard.


Rgds.Barranquilla. La compañía aérea Avianca está proyectando la implementación de tres rutas más con destino al Viejo Continente desde Bogotá, a partir de 2008, cuando reciba el primer lote de 10 aviones, de los 60 que adquirió a Boeing.

El anuncio lo hizo en Barranquilla el Presidente del Consejo Directivo de Avianca, Germán Efromovich, quien se reunió con empresarios de la ciudad y dirigentes gremiales del sector turístico y hotelero para analizar las potencialidades de la capital del Atlántico en lo que tiene que ver con los nuevos planes de la compañía.

En cuanto a los planes de apertura de destinos a Europa anticipó que en 2008 habrá por lo menos una o dos rutas nuevas operando. Dijo que los permisos ya están solicitados para Frankfurt en Alemania, París y Londres. “Dos de esos tres destinos, serán de autorizados de inmediato una vez lleguen las aeronaves, la operación se hará saliendo de Bogotá con escala en Miami”.

También se pronunció sobre los planes de apertura de rutas hacia Centroamérica y en ese orden de ideas Barranquilla es la ciudad que concentra la atención para que opere como punto de salida. “Hay planes para salir a Centroamérica y Norteamérica desde Barranquilla”. Además, Avianca estudia la opción de renegociar la compra de los talleres que hoy están abandonados en las instalaciones del aeropuerto Internacional Ernesto Cortissoz, para que allí se establezca el centro de operaciones de mantenimiento de la compañía. “Esos talleres eran de Avianca y pasaron a manos del Estado cuando se entregó a la Aeronáutica Civil, pero ahora vemos que están totalmente abandonados”, agregó.

Efromovich manifestó su preocupación por el incremento de los precios del petróleo, argumentando que los cálculos indican que el barril podrá llegar a los 100 dólares en poco tiempo. Según sus palabras el constante incremento en los precios de los combustibles es el factor que más duro golpea las finanzas de la compañía aérea, aunque destacó que los resultados financieros son favorables

[Edited 2007-11-02 11:25:55]
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:30 pm

London is crying out for a service. BA gave the route up and AV used to serve it alongside BA. Now they would have it to themselves.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:44 pm

Quoting A300AA (Thread starter):
“Dos de esos tres destinos, serán de autorizados de inmediato una vez lleguen las aeronaves, la operación se hará saliendo de Bogotá con escala en Miami”.



Quoting A300AA (Thread starter):
La compañía aérea Avianca está proyectando la implementación de tres rutas más con destino al Viejo Continente desde Bogotá, a partir de 2008, cuando reciba el primer lote de 10 aviones, de los 60 que adquirió a Boeing.

Great to have some confirmation about the opening of new European routes. I hope those 2 definites are LON and FRA, given that CDG is currently well served, albeit with near 90% loads.
I think that the newspaper article has it wrong on the MIA stop for those though. I assume that AV said that they'd use the new planes on the new routes as well as MIA, but the newspaper misreported it, just as they did with the "60 Boeings", that as we know are, in fact, 60 Airbus.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:44 pm

Which London airport are they looking at?
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:00 pm

I´ve been told by AV management that they are looking into Heathrow, remains to be seen if they are able to pull a slot there.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:02 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 2):
think that the newspaper article has it wrong on the MIA stop for those though. I assume that AV said that they'd use the new planes on the new routes as well as MIA, but the newspaper

Yes, a stop in MIA doesnt make any sense.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:29 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 3):
Which London airport are they looking at?

Probably LHR.

Even though those are old news, it´s nice to see that AV is still talking about euro expansion and that they didn´t apply just for the sake of it.

It won´t be until late 2008, though, that we will see them in FRA, LHR or CDG.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:27 pm

I wish AV well in rehubbing BAQ and reclaiming their maintanence base. What cities in north america are they flying to ?

In London GATWICK should be there choice, last time they flew to LHR and left in 2001 they sold their slot to BA.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:27 pm

I wish AV well in rehubbing BAQ and reclaiming their maintanence base. What cities in north america are they flying to ?

In London GATWICK should be there choice, last time they flew to LHR and left in 2001 they sold their slot to BA.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:37 am

What time of day would Avianca be looking for LHR slots? They might end up having to go to LGW just to get suitable slots
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:14 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 9):
What time of day would Avianca be looking for LHR slots? They might end up having to go to LGW just to get suitable slots

They used to fly in at 9 am some days and around 11 am other days, departing 2 or 3 hours later.
I am not sure if they had already made any approaches for slots. I have read that they would be based at T4.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:28 pm

They'll struggle to get slots at that time at LHR, unless they've got some cash or only serve LHR at weekends
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:36 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 11):
unless they've got some cash or only serve LHR at weekends

Yes, it will be hard to get those slots. But as you say, they have the cash. Just look at Mr. Efromovich´s finances. His petroleum company made hundreds of millions last year, and AV is profitable.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 8):
I wish AV well in rehubbing BAQ and reclaiming their maintanence base

AV never had a hub in BAQ (maybe as SCADTA in the early days), and that type of operation will be more like a focus city, like MDE.

AV currently flies from BAQ to BOG, CLO, MDE, MIA, AUA and JFK.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting A300AA (Thread starter):
They said they have applied for Frankfurt, Paris and London.

What passes my thought is why would would they need to apply for it? AV has flown all these destinations before, and I assume the (bilateral) rights are still there.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:08 am

Quoting CptGirmayTesfa (Reply 13):
What passes my thought is why would would they need to apply for it? AV has flown all these destinations before, and I assume the (bilateral) rights are still there.

The bilateral rights are still there, but the application referred to is just one to the colombian authorities. Just a formality really, as there is no other colombian airline interested. As it happens, when AV dropped these routes, Fenix, a company that did not actually ever take off applied and was granted those rights.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:37 pm

I've been getting mixed dates on when the first 330s will arrive. Any certainty on this??


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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting A300AA (Thread starter):
También se pronunció sobre los planes de apertura de rutas hacia Centroamérica y en ese orden de ideas Barranquilla es la ciudad que concentra la atención para que opere como punto de salida. %u201CHay planes para salir a Centroamérica y Norteamérica desde Barranquilla%u201D.

Eventual operations from BAQ to Central America may imply the end of the code-share agreement between AV and TA for flights to some Central America stations from BOG.


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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 12):
AV currently flies from BAQ to BOG, CLO, MDE, MIA, AUA and JFK.

Schedule operations are BAQ-BOG-AUA on AV.
4C Aires is flying BAQ-AUA as nonstop.

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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:53 pm

Why would they stop in Miami? Do Colombian carriers have rights to pick up passengers in the US? Why wouldn't they go non-stop? (I know weight restrictions at BOG, but that doesnt make sense to have to stop in MIA).
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:37 am

Quoting MIA" class=quote target=_blank>MIA (Reply 17):
Why would they stop in Miami? Do Colombian carriers have rights to pick up passengers in the US? Why wouldn't they go non-stop? (I know weight restrictions at BOG, but that doesnt make sense to have to stop in MIA).

It seems like a Journalist error. AV will do those flights Non Stop for sure...
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:56 pm

Is there any information on how many times a week that AV would fly to London, Paris, or Frankfurt? Why isn't AV considering flights to FCO? Both AV and AZ flew BOG-FCO at various times in the past. I would think that there would be enough demand to make this route profitable.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:26 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 16):
Schedule operations are BAQ-BOG-AUA on AV.

No. AV flies MDE-BAQ-AUA once a week on an F100.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 19):
Is there any information on how many times a week that AV would fly to London, Paris, or Frankfurt?

They apllied for LON 4x a week, CDG 5x a week and FRA 3x a week. That´s all we know from now. I would guess all routes would start as 3x weekly, with frequency increases afterwards.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 19):
Why isn't AV considering flights to FCO?

Indeed, Italy was the largest touristic destination for Colombians in Europe after Spain in 2005. It is quite a large market, but AV can provide passengers with connections by flying to the three eurohubs, while FCO would rely too much on tourist traffic, which is very seasonal.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:51 pm

we would probably see this flights on mid 2008 , when they received there first A330 . I think theres also a journalist error when he writes about "Boeing's order" . Airbus orders will come out next year and Boeing 787s orders will come out on 2010.
also ,I always had a Q on AV's fleet did they choose the 300 , 200 or a mix ? .
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:01 pm

Avianca ordered A330-200's With Rolls Royce Trent 700 Engines. The first delivery for this type is for September of 2008,

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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:30 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 20):
AV flies MDE-BAQ-AUA once a week on an F100.

I made a double check on AV's website and amadeus.net, but I haven't found detailed information that confirms such weekly nonstop AV BAQ-AUA.
http://www.avianca.com/ParaViajeros/MapasDestinos/
Further information will be appreciated.
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Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:29 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 23):
I made a double check on AV's website and amadeus.net, but I haven't found detailed information that confirms such weekly nonstop AV BAQ-AUA.

I also did, and found nothing. AV did use to operate the route MDE-BAQ-AUA twice a week. It would seem that it has been dropped, ar at least suspended for now.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:04 am

I think, with all due respect to Mr. Efromovich's entrepreneurial vision, it's high time AV started thinking about joining an alliance. Be it Star, Skyteam or Oneworld. Colombia has a geographically priviledged position in South America and could very well function as an interline destination for flights originating in North America and Europe for destinations in other parts of South America. Especially Venezuela and Ecuador, but not limited to Bolivia, Paraguay and Argentina.

Not only does AV has the standards of service and safety that could compete well with the likes of LAN, COPA and TACA, but it has as it home market the important sources of O&D traffic that BOG, MDE, BAQ and Cali represent, both for North and South bound traffic.

There is much more to AV than just new routes in Europe. I really hope to see AV as a bigger player in Latin American aviation.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 25):
There is much more to AV than just new routes in Europe. I really hope to see AV as a bigger player in Latin American aviation.

I agree, and trust that AV will indeed become a bigger player. They seem to have ambitious plans, the base of which is the new fleet that starts arriving in a few months -and the second stage, with the 787s later on.
I understand that AV has aspirations to cover all of central america, serve HAV and SJU again, as well as more of North and South America and Europe.

On the question of an alliance, it is said that there is flirting with Star. My questions is, what would happen with the IB codeshares onwards from MAD, as Spanair cannot offer the same level of coverage. Then there is the extensive codeshare between AV and DL between all the US/Colombia flights, and in the US beyond ATL and FLL.

At the same time Skyteam would not seem suitable, as Copa is there already, and might well bring Aerorepublica into it.
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:17 pm

Avianca's Alliance choice presents a geogtaphic dilema. Copa is a SKYTEAM airline so havng two airlines in two latin neighboring countries to too concentrated. AA is ONEWORLD and with LAN already hav ahge share of teh market. Star is the best for AV with no presence in Colombia.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:24 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 26):
Then there is the extensive codeshare between AV and DL between all the US/Colombia flights, and in the US beyond ATL and FLL.

I wonder then if AV should simply stay with its current codeshares rather than joining an alliance. Go the MX way.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:35 pm

well I am pretty sure we will see AV joining soon Star. As mentioned before all other alliance have already big networks in the region, Star is still lacking a good presence in the region.
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:47 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 27):
Copa is a SKYTEAM airline so havng two airlines in two latin neighboring countries to too concentrated.

Not to mention the fact that Copa already holds a controlling interest in Colombian AeroRepública.
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 23):
made a double check on AV's website and amadeus.net,

Maybe they made it a charter. AV´s flights to CUN don´t appear in res systems either.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 25):
high time AV started thinking about joining an alliance.

It is a very hard choice.

SKY was a perfect match, and then came COPA. AV has a strong relationship with DL, and has an FFP agreement with AF. But it won´t happen.

ONEWORLD is also a good choice, as they have a relationship with IB. But AA and LA wouldn´t permit it. Too much competition.

STAR is the one alliance that lacks a south american partner, and AV has a relationship with AC. But AC´s 3 weekly flights are all that STAR offers to BOG. The ultra-limited service is a big disadvantage. And AV only flies to 1 star hub, MAD. (and soon FRA, but that still won´t make it up)
 
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:55 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 31):
STAR is the one alliance that lacks a south american partner, and AV has a relationship with AC. But AC´s 3 weekly flights are all that STAR offers to BOG. The ultra-limited service is a big disadvantage. And AV only flies to 1 star hub, MAD. (and soon FRA, but that still won´t make it up)

well you can be sure if Avianca would made it into Star we would see changes....
1: FRA flights operated by AV and LH
2: Daily YYZ flights operated by AC and AV
3: Hopefully the CLT flights by US
4: I am pritty sure UA would request flights to IAD maybe also ORD.
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 26):
My questions is, what would happen with the IB codeshares onwards from MAD, as Spanair cannot offer the same level of coverage.

You have a good point.
However, most of the destinations in Spain that have been included in the agreement AV-IB are covered by JK as well.
Let me quote the following phrases taken from Avianca's website concerning to the service offered by IB on behalf of AV:
"Through this alliance, Avianca offers three new destinations in Spain and one in France, through the services of Iberia's Connections Center (HUB) in Madrid.
Connections from Madrid:
Barcelona, Valencia, Alicante, and Paris (Orly Airport). (It is important to note that Orly Airport represents access facilities and mobility within same, as well as greater nearness to the city).
In addition, as of May 1st, 2005, Avianca will expand the destinations in Spain through Iberia's Connections Center (HUB) in Madrid. These new destinations are:
La Coruna, Santiago de Compostela, Vigo, Asturias, Bilbao, San Sebastian, Pamplona, Palma de Mallorca, Malaga, Sevilla and Las Palmas, and Tenerife in the Canary Islands."


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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 31):
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 23):
made a double check on AV's website and amadeus.net,

Maybe they made it a charter

I hold my first point: AUA is not a regular nonstop service on AV from BAQ at this time.  Wink


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Quoting Avianca (Reply 32):
if Avianca would made it into Star we would see changes

IMHO Avianca, TAM [Star Alliance or Oneworld] and TACA are potential Latin American candidates to join Star Alliance in the future.
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:44 pm



Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 31):
STAR is the one alliance that lacks a south american partner, and AV has a relationship with AC. But AC´s 3 weekly flights are all that STAR offers to BOG. The ultra-limited service is a big disadvantage. And AV only flies to 1 star hub, MAD. (and soon FRA, but that still won´t make it up)

Why does AV has to stick to the 3 traditional US gateways of Miami, JFK and LAX. AV should plan to expand its US gateways and two UA hubs would be perfect candidates within5 hours flight from BOG, Washibgton-Dulles & ORD. IF Air Canada can fly from Toronto to BOG then BOG to IAD and/ or ORD is viable. The Colombian diplomatic traffic alone to the embassy in Washington and all the agencies, like the Organization of American States, should be a good base for traffic.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:12 am



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 34):
Why does AV has to stick to the 3 traditional US gateways of Miami, JFK and LAX.

Because they offer the largest O/D from Colombia and latin america. And they also fly from FLL. It would be silly to fly to SFO or BOS just to cover more area.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 34):
Washibgton-Dulles

There are plans to fly the route. But frankly, it don´t see full flights unless they tie up with UA.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:12 am



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 34):
AV should plan to expand its US gateways and two UA hubs would be perfect candidates within5 hours flight from BOG, Washibgton-Dulles & ORD. IF Air Canada can fly from Toronto to BOG then BOG to IAD and/ or ORD is viable

AV may extend its presence in these hubs if they are really targeting to Star Alliance.
Based on the recent announces concerning to possible destinations in Europe such as LON and FRA, they can start to develop a strategy related to fit operations with other European Star Alliance carriers there.
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RE: More Europe On Avianca

Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:19 pm



Quoting A300AA (Thread starter):
Avianca estudia la opción de renegociar la compra de los talleres que hoy están abandonados en las instalaciones del aeropuerto Internacional Ernesto Cortissoz, para que allí se establezca el centro de operaciones de mantenimiento de la compañía.

I think that AV might have a better choice for the maintenance base relocation by picking Cali. My argument is that Cali offers a good airport and good weather conditions all year round (just like Barranquilla) but is half the distance from Bogota (compared to BAQ). The latter means spending half the money in fuel (plus time) ferrying the planes back and forth between the hub (Bogota) and the maintenance base.

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