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BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:02 pm

According to the Irish Surfing Association, British Airways has banned surfboards as of Nov 6th. Will they carry them as freight on the passenger's flight?
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:39 pm

You mean, like dude, they can't even check in those skins as luggage? Have to pay straight freight fees? Absolutely correct, in my opinion. Some of them can be more than seven feet long and need to be wrapped and protected. Not your usual suitcase down in the hold.
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:48 pm

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 1):
Absolutely correct, in my opinion. Some of them can be more than seven feet long and need to be wrapped and protected. Not your usual suitcase down in the hold.

So if the passenger pays for the wrapping and protecting (which they should), why can't they take a surfboard as luggage?

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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:50 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
So if the passenger pays for the wrapping and protecting (which they should),

Think it will be really expensive for the pax to pay for this. Therefore that ban the surfboards.
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:53 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
Think it will be really expensive for the pax to pay for this. Therefore that ban the surfboards.

That makes no sense. If the pax can pay, why shouldn't they be able to? All they have to do is mention on their website that the charges for a surfboard are "x", and then the pax can decide whether they want to pay "x" or not take the surfboard.

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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:54 pm

Just a thought that pooped up in my mind.

VS allow surfboards right??? And if they do, we can see that they have a advantage here, now when BA has banned the surfboards.
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:57 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
All they have to do is mention on their website that the charges for a surfboard are "x", and then the pax can decide whether they want to pay "x" or not take the surfboard.

Yeah, that is true. But I think that it is easier for BA to ban all the surfboards. Maybe the X is really expensive, and just a few pax per year can afford that X. It is much easier to just ban the surfboards and dont think about them.
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:01 pm

Ok...

> 1 piece of checked luggage (whether or not you are under your allowance)
> Blanket bans on surfboards...

Just now airlines are going to ban passengers too...
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:05 pm

As a lifelong surfer, I can't say I've ever flown BA on a surfing trip. Now that they discriminate against people like me, I never will. Though I don't think surfers even register on their radar. Singapore Airlines adopting such a policy might kill my trips to the Mentwai Islands, United would kill my Hawaiian trips, if they adopted such a ban. All airlines on which I've checked boards, charge me a fee for them....either oversize or excess luggage. They don't weigh much. And I pack/wrap them myself before heading to the airport....would never trust an airline employee to do it. Don't know why BA has an issue, but there are other choices to fly......
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:14 pm

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 7):

Just now airlines are going to ban passengers too...

BA have already banned British folk from outside of London  duck 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:16 pm

That is going to further kill BA LGW - NQY flight for the winter surf season (best waves). They had only 20 - 30 people on average before, now even less (we know its slotwarming, but it must be so expensive to operate NQY rather than somewhere higher yielding). EXT would be better than NQY as it has a bigger catchment area, plus would cover the NQY catchment area too. The alternative is WOW from Gatwick, they could always slap them on the roof and put a big VW badge on the front...

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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:18 pm

The BA website has an updated list of sports equipment which can no longer be carried; this includes surf boards, javelins, pole vault poles & kayaks.

Does this have anything to do with preparing for the move to T5 ?. Are they ensuring that any accepted baggage can be processed through the automated system ?

[Edited 2007-11-02 15:18:44]
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:36 pm

The ban on surfboards, (and canoes, kayaks, windsurfing, pole vaults, javelins, hang glinding and a couple others) is due to the fact that they all require some measure of manual handling and BA want to keep the amount of "out of gauge" baggage to a minimum.

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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:12 pm

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 8):
Singapore Airlines adopting such a policy might kill my trips to the Mentwai Islands,

You don't have to fly Singapore Airlines to go to Mentawai.
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:14 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 7):

Just now airlines are going to ban passengers too...

BA have already banned British folk from outside of London  duck 

..c'mon Gkirk, just be up front about it..no need for hidden comments here..we know they are regarded as "London Airways".. duck 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
BA have already banned British folk from outside of London

You havent been banned, you just arent invited.
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:00 am

There are provisions for skis and golf clubs. Why not surfboards? Not enough demand, perhaps, to make it worthwhile.
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:43 am

I think it has something to do with the holds of the aircrafts. I don't think that such a long board fits into the belly of a smaller jet. maybe they want to avoid the circumstances and ban them from all flights.
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:57 am

Today's 20yo surfer is a future 50yo CEO flying first class in 2037.

BA needs to be mindful not to piss off 20-somethings today (who will likely be flying another 50-60 years of their lives) so as not to forego future revenue.
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 1):
Some of them can be more than seven feet long and need to be wrapped and protected. Not your usual suitcase down in the hold.

Absolutely correct. All the airlines are trying to cut down on anything on passenger aircraft that requires special handling. I would be neither surprised nor disappointed to find other airlines following the BA example.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 8):
As a lifelong surfer, I can't say I've ever flown BA on a surfing trip. Now that they discriminate against people like me, I never will.

I'm not sure I agree with BA's policy on surfboards, but claiming discrimination? Spare me.
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:58 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 18):
Today's 20yo surfer is a future 50yo CEO flying first class in 2037.

That may be so in Canada; here in the UK it might be said that todays 20 yo surfer, is a middle class dropout, who is looking to drift through life on a long term basis; and if he does become a CEO he will have long forgotten BA not carrying his surfboard.

I have always thought this general airline policy of carrying one item of "sporting equipment" free of charge, in addition to the normal baggage allowance unfair.
My wife's hobby is dressing up, and travelling with far too much luggage; thus shouldn't she be entitled to an extra piece of luggage too ?
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:27 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 21):
I have always thought this general airline policy of carrying one item of "sporting equipment" free of charge, in addition to the normal baggage allowance unfair.

It would be unfair, yes. If you take a surfboard along, it counts as a piece of luggage. But as long as you pay the excess charges for it, why shouldn't you be allowed to take it along?

BA's baggage policy continues to mystify.

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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:49 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 20):
Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 8):
As a lifelong surfer, I can't say I've ever flown BA on a surfing trip. Now that they discriminate against people like me, I never will.

I'm not sure I agree with BA's policy on surfboards, but claiming discrimination? Spare me

No, I can see his point: I love to eat Lime jelly and BA refuses to serve that onboard, I'm going to file a lawsuit for discrimination too... What a load of rubbish.

Whilst I'm not sure why BA have decided to refuse to take pax's surfboards, I'm sure they have their reasons, and at the end of the day, as several people have mentionned here, we all have a choice on who we fly, so the day flocks of surfers leave BA and dent their profit badly, BA may revert their decision... Until then, tough luck...

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 18):
Today's 20yo surfer is a future 50yo CEO flying first class in 2037.

That's just funny. I think a 20yo surfer may end up a future 50yo CEO perhaps, but a 20yo surfer IS a future CEO?!  Wink
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:05 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 21):
My wife's hobby is dressing up, and travelling with far too much luggage; thus shouldn't she be entitled to an extra piece of luggage too ?

Dude, not just your wife. ALL girls! Take the girlfriend on a four days trip to Paris and at the airport people will think that you're going to Fiji for a month. Big grin
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:43 am

Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 10):
That is going to further kill BA LGW - NQY flight for the winter surf season (best waves). They had only 20 - 30 people on average before, now even less (we know its slotwarming, but it must be so expensive to operate NQY rather than somewhere higher yielding).

I reckon the LGW to NQY slots will be used for ex GT routes next summer. Maybe ALC or PMI?
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:16 pm

May I suggest that the ratio of surfboards checked to those arriving without damage is different than on standard luggage? And more than few have learned that they can ding and crack their board surfing and claim damage on arrival at the other end....very few examine the boards at checkin. Had a surfer pick up his board inside a bag...did not open it...march into the bag svc office and announce we had damaged it. "have a nice day" was the reply.
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:02 pm

I think it has more to do with possibilty to load them in the hold (undamaged).
On the older 737-200 the standard procedure to load vaulting poles was to stick them thru the cockpit window and attach them to the aisle seats. Ever done this on a fully loaded a/c ??

The surfboards will fit in the lower holds over the larger a/c, but will reduce the available space for standard load (freight or bags).

Additionally, 1 board is no big problem, but what if 15-20 people decide to get on holiday together, each taking their own equipment ??
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:48 pm

A surfboard is very large in relation to most other sporting equipment and is not as durable.

Ski's and snowboards by comparison can withstand enormous forces acting on them without suffering any damge. These forces can bebending, compression impact the list goes on. A surfboard could be severly damaged by any of these.

I have seen surfboards packed into standard baggage bins and it leaves little room for other bags. If a heavy bag was loaded on top then there is a significant chnce the board could be damaged, especially in turbulence.
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:45 pm

There is more of an issue with surfboards on widebodied aircraft than bulk loaded B737s or A320s.

Bearing in mind that most carriers use AKE (LD3) containers for loading baggage, and given the fact that most surfboards are too large to fit in these, this is where the problem can be. It is a particular problem for carriers who have taken the A340-500/600 with no bulk hold (hold 5) at the very rear of the aircraft due to the crew rest compartment option.
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:02 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
VS allow surfboards right???

Not from experience. They demand that the board be flown by air cargo.

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 26):
And more than few have learned that they can ding and crack their board surfing and claim damage on arrival at the other end

Lets remember that anyone can do the same thing with any bag. Additionally, the airline will normally ask you to sign a damage waiver. They will only carry your equipment if you agree to the risks that it is an outsize piece of baggage that may easily be damaged. Using the signed waiver, the airline will take no responsibility for damage unless they lose it.

As an avid kayaker who regularly flies with a small 15kg Wavesport 'playboat' I have a few thoughts on all this.

I think its ironic that Ryanair have no problem with surfboards or kayaks. They have a very fair and equitable policy where you pre-pay for any sporting equipment when making the booking. At check in there is no hassle and the system works very well providing an additional revenue stream for FR - an airline not known for offering services that cost them money or decrease turnaround efficiency.

British Airways provided a hugely useful and IMO overly generous policy on sporting items for long haul travellers. I think its important to point out that the majority of surfers/kayakers would certainly have no problem paying extra for their carriage. Its the blanket ban that is troubling - not the question of passengers paying for the service. If i pay $1000 for a flight from DUB-LHR-JNB-LVI with a 17kg kayak/bag and a 15kg luggage bag then i have no problem paying $200 to BA and EI's standard EUR25 charge for the kayak since its the sole reason why i am travelling (the Zambezi River near Livingstone in Zambia being one case in point). It doesnt require food, water, toilets, cabin attendants, aircon, air and whilst bigger than a normal bag, its significantly lighter than what some people expect airlines to take.

I have flown regularly with kayaks using Aer Lingus, Ryanair, British Airways (Mainline and Comair SA), Nationwide Airlines, SAA, USAirways and Gulf Air. These being airlines that freely accept kayaks; with/without a fee. British Airways were always the natural choice for surfers and kayakers from Ireland/UK/other EU due to the ease of connections with equipment. I hope BA dont lose out on a small but valuable niche of travellers. From now on it looks like Etihad will be the new BA for my long haul-ers from DUB.


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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:14 pm

Out Of Gauge items (Pushchairs, wheelchairs, surfboards etc) comprise about 5% of BA's total luggage carried. Of that 5% surfboards is a small amount.
It is because surfboards cause problems with the baggage system often having to be manually transported around the terminal to the aircraft which takes up much needed manpower.
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:02 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 11):
The BA website has an updated list of sports equipment which can no longer be carried; this includes surf boards, javelins, pole vault poles & kayaks.

Well I hope they are not going to become the official carrier of London 2012!!
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:08 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
BA have already banned British folk from outside of London

No. Just those north of the border.
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:16 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 16):
There are provisions for skis and golf clubs.

Most Golf bags can safely fit onto a baggage carousel and are much easier to handle than a surfboard. I'm still not sure if they could fit into an automated baggage system. I think that banning skis and golf bags would result in too much lost business. BA probably just decided that the small percentage of travelers with surfboards weren't worth it, since their numbers are tiny in comparison to skiers and golfers.
 
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RE: BA Bans Surfboards

Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:43 pm

Quoting N353SK (Reply 34):
Most Golf bags can safely fit onto a baggage carousel and are much easier to handle than a surfboard. I'm still not sure if they could fit into an automated baggage system. I think that banning skis and golf bags would result in too much lost business. BA probably just decided that the small percentage of travelers with surfboards weren't worth it, since their numbers are tiny in comparison to skiers and golfers.

Rightly said, Skis and Golf clubs are a much higher percentage and also more likely they will be traveling premium classes. Add to the fact that they are easier to handle.

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