AA388
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Emirates 777-200LR?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:50 am

How come there are no pictures of this aircraft in Sao Paulo? And why havent we heard very much about it? What is the confugruation like inside? Does it have the suites like on the A345?


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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:59 am

The route has only been served for a month. Give it some time. The 77Ls don't have suites IIRC.
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:51 am

B77L registration A6-EWA onwards and B77W registration A6-ECA onwards are fitted with suites in First Class.
 
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:31 am

"Emirates' technologically-advanced 777-200LR will offer eight luxurious private suites in First class, 42 of its latest lie-flat seats in Business class, and generous space for 216 passengers in Economy."
Quoted from AME Info - The Middle East Business Resource

You can find Boeing stock pics of the EK 777200LR with a google search.

I just finished an EK trip JFK-DXB-BKK-SYD-DXB-JFK over the past two weeks and can tell you the newest 777-300ER lie flat business class seats and newest ICE IFE is simply amazing. Put the A345 to shame!
 
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:31 pm

Quoting EK773 (Reply 2):
B77L registration A6-EWA onwards and B77W registration A6-ECA onwards are fitted with suites in First Class.

THanks for the correction.
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:40 pm

I saw it at JFK last week. Sorry, no pics!
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:35 pm

Well well...

Operating times in/out GRU are not very photography friendly, added to the fact the airport itself does not offer many photo spots from inside the building. Landing shots are not possible due the fact it is a dusk arrival.

Anyway, I managed to grab a shot of her, not a.net quality, but works for the sake of historical preservation Big grin

http://sbxp.info/photos/gallery/albums/SBXP/A6EWB_SBGR_RS.jpg

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AA388
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:35 pm

Nice shot S.P.A.S. Did Emirates need this airplane for this route or could the A345 have done it?


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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:59 pm

AA388 the A340-500 can go to GRU direct with no problem, but to be honest, the A345 is a bad aircraft. It burns to much fuel, that's why airlines are getting rid of theirs for the B777-200LR like Air Canada and perhaps Thai in the future. Emirates bought the B777-200LR especially for the long haul routes they are planning in the future like DXB-GRU now and DXB-IAH from December. Future routes for the B777-200LR might be DXB-LAX that is the same time as DXB-IAH but takes it over the north pole. emirates B777-200LR and B777-300ER GE angined aircraft are now 207 ETOPS certified, so they can do the long flights and I bet we will see the B777-200LR do most of the long haul flights for the next few years until the successor is announced.
 
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:02 pm

Is ETOPS 207 the highest certification possible? Who else has certification that high?

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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:12 pm

I think that's ETOPS 270 there, not 207... It's measured in minutes - 270 minutes being 4.5 hours.
 
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:24 pm

Quoting Propilotjw (Reply 3):
I just finished an EK trip JFK-DXB-BKK-SYD-DXB-JFK over the past two weeks and can tell you the newest 777-300ER lie flat business class seats and newest ICE IFE is simply amazing. Put the A345 to shame!

What a load of rubbish... Yes the 773ER is a bit better, due it having a newer version of the same product (eg flat C class seats vs angled seats etc). But it DOES NOT put the A345 to shame... esp not in Y class. The 773ER is also quite a bit loader in the cabin. Although I do personally prefer the 773ER as an aircraft, to say that the 773ER puts the A345 to shame is just rediculous.
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:54 am

Emirates got special permission to use 207 ETOPS. They are still working to get the full 240min from the GCAA thou. How did they get to 207min u ask. Its all got to do with the fire suppression in the air. The B777 can suppress a cargo fire for 33min, before all hell brakes loose. So they deducted the 33min from 240, and that's what gives u the 207min ETOPS.
 
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:26 am

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 11):
What a load of rubbish... Yes the 773ER is a bit better, due it having a newer version of the same product (eg flat C class seats vs angled seats etc). But it DOES NOT put the A345 to shame... esp not in Y class. The 773ER is also quite a bit loader in the cabin. Although I do personally prefer the 773ER as an aircraft, to say that the 773ER puts the A345 to shame is just rediculous.

What a load of rubbish? Those are your thoughts. It was my perspective having flown on both aircraft. To each their own  Smile Think what you may!
 
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:52 am

What a load of rubbish... Yes the 773ER is a bit better, due it having a newer version of the same product (eg flat C class seats vs angled seats etc). But it DOES NOT put the A345 to shame... esp not in Y class. The 773ER is also quite a bit loader in the cabin. Although I do personally prefer the 773ER as an aircraft, to say that the 773ER puts the A345 to shame is just rediculous.

It's his freakin' opinion for God's sake. There's no room for that kind of behaviour on this forum...
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:26 am

Quoting Marco (Reply 14):
There's no room for that kind of behaviour on this forum...

Actually, it lives very well on this forum. - The A345-as-enemy brigade are alive and well: like the comment above:

Quoting Haan (Reply 8):
the A345 is a bad aircraft

I also have flown on both. Love both. Prefer the B773, but the A345 is wonderful too, especially as EK have fitted it out. It is a much smaller aircraft, but can fly for ever, and is quieter than the Boeing. Overall though, EK's A345 's as well as its B773's are both incredibly lovely aircraft to fly on. Of course, that is only my point of view.
 
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:27 am

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 5):
I saw it at JFK last week. Sorry, no pics!

You saw the Boeing 777-300ER which operates EK201/202 and EK203/204. We haven't seen the Boeing 777-200LR and probably won't for a while. Both aircraft have been busy operating EK261/262 with the occasional flight to London thrown in.


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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:21 am

Actually, it lives very well on this forum. - The A345-as-enemy brigade are alive and well: like the comment above:

Are you listening to yourself? We're discussing airplanes!!! stop over-reacting!
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:23 pm

Does anyone know what route the 777-200LR takes? IE does it go over the north pole the south? Also, i think Emirates just upgraded the 777's interior and im betting they have plans to change the interior in the A345.
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:26 pm

A shme there is no picture of the cabin of EK 77L!
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:08 am

Quoting Haan (Reply 8):
It burns to much fuel, that's why airlines are getting rid of theirs for the B777-200LR like Air Canada and perhaps Thai in the future.

It burns a minor amount more fuel, yes. Other than AC, please list some airlines getting rid of them. Thai is not one.

Quoting ETFokker50 (Reply 10):
I think that's ETOPS 270 there, not 207... It's measured in minutes - 270 minutes being 4.5 hours.

207 is the maximum available anywhere in the world these days. In the US, its done on a route-by-route basis, it can't even be done for a whole carrier.

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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:38 am

In the case of AC they have found that 77L and the extra cargo that is carries makes a real difference over the A345. AC isn't using the maximum range because the ability to cover the distance without any payload restrictions is a big boon.
 
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting Haan (Reply 8):
Future routes for the B777-200LR might be DXB-LAX that is the same time as DXB-IAH but takes it over the north pole.

Any idea when DXB-LAX route will start?
 
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:30 pm

It hasn't been announced at all, and I don't believe it will fly with a 777-200LR.

Emirates really wants to fly that route with a 748i sized aircraft. Given that the 748i can't fly it, presumably it will have to be with an A380.

EK's approach isn't always fly a smaller full plane and get high yield. They want to seat lots of folks and maximize connecting opportunities to keep other planes full.

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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:49 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 20):
207 is the maximum available anywhere in the world these days. In the US, its done on a route-by-route basis, it can't even be done for a whole carrier.

The FAA has provided the regulations for LROPS operations up to 330 min if the airplane type involved has the basic capability.
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:02 pm

How are the loads for EK on the GRU route ?



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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:24 pm

I'm just surprised the B-777-200LR or the A-340-500 each have enough range for EK.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Emirates 777-200LR?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:30 pm

I am surprised that either have the right balance of capability and range.

EK is an amazingly well run business. If only other airlines so carefully calculated return on investment, the world would be a better place.

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