apollo13
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College And Working For The Airlines?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:52 pm

Hello,

So basically im fed up with my Old navy Job. It sucks having to sell people the Old Navy Credit Card. I recently went on a trip to Chicago to visit a friend and was watching the ramp service employees and thought that a job like that would be a wonderful opportunity. The only slight problem for me is that I am currently enrolled in College (DVC). Would that be a considerable barrier for me. My class schedule usually ends everyday at around 1 or 2PM. So for those of you who have this wonderful position. What tips are there to score a job like this? I would plan on transitioning jobs and start applying around March or April.
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:37 pm

I worked as a US ramper at ITH during my senior year of college and it was the BEST. JOB. EVER. It was so fun to work with airplanes, mostly outside (even during ITH winters), and the cheap weekend trips to LGA or Paris didn't hurt either Wink. I think it helped that it was a small station and I made it very clear to the station manager that I wanted to be there but there was no way I could miss class, so the only shift I could do was 5pm-midnight which happened to not be a very popular shift anyway. I always bid it and always got it fortunately, otherwise I would have had to stop. What airport would you be looking at? In my experience it seemed that a smaller station gives you more flexibility to get the shift you want, plus in the down time they let me do my homework...while they watched TV or whatever.
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:03 pm

I, as well as about 50% of us at DL's DAB station are college students. Now we are a smaller station, but it's still a possible job to have whiel in college. Especially if you get done at 1-2pm. There should be an evening shift starting around 4pm or so. My boss completly understands that most of us are in college and that our schedules change every semester and he works around our schedules. Sometimes it leads to weird schedules or minimal hous, but it's definatly possible.
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:30 pm

I live in Concord, CA. I go to Diablo Valley College and a station for me would either be OAK or SFO. The only places with BART access.
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:34 pm

Something to think about if you're going to apply at either OAK or SFO; the night shifts mentioned may go relatively senior due to people not wanting to deal with the traffic...

...With that in mind, I know at NWA there are now a lot of shifts that work shifts like F/S/S only.

Good luck!
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:28 am

Throughout my entire tenure at university I worked for Wardair as a passenger services agent at the airport. Like MaverickM11, I worked evenings, and weekends as well as early mornings- it helped that I was able to take 3-hour long classes once a week rather than 3 1-hour classes so I was able to get all my courses out of the way by dinnertime Wednesday... or somthing to that effect.

I would bid on the late-night and early morning shifts, sleep on the baggage belt (or chat with ATC at YOW Terminal) overnight and make it to class. Taking the late night shifts enabled me to wind up being lead-hand with very little experience under my belt. I made sacrifices but was very glad to make them.

The ramp may be a bit different but it never hurts to look around: try the smaller regional airports with regular charter ops or even the municipal airports: they're often looking for fuellers, lawn cutters etc.

A word of advice: if it's flying you really want to do, start networking and working on your licenses NOW. Get flying as soon as you can... I regret giving up on my dream for 20 years.

My roommate was impressed: I was the only student he knew that came out of the semester with more cash than when I went in. So instead of using passes to fly to exotic places, use the money to start FLYING!!!!

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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:59 am

I too worked my senior year at DCA (I went to GWU) working ramp for USAir.....

Then moved out west to ACV for my MA and worked full time at the ACV airport doing everything. Worked for WestAir, OO and Horizon during my 6 years living on the North Coast. I did everything at the airport and really got a good understanding of the complexity of operations.

It also made me mature and become much more responsible than I had been at any point in my life previous.

I left ACV as the closing supervisor and was making decent money until I decided (er, was stupid enough to decide) to move to Ohio for my PhD. Worst mistake of my life.....I should've stayed in the industry....

Good luck and it's a great job while you are in college--imagine all of the cool places you can go on spring break!

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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:49 am

Yup yup, it's a fun job and if u have a boss that understands, it's a good experience.

I'm concerned about your prospective commute time, Apollo13. How long would it take u to get from home to OAK or SFO on BART? If it's 1/2 hr, that's cool. If it's closer to 1 hr ea way, that's not good.

I worked for ACA/UAex and Ogden/Air Bp at IAD and also for TWA at BNA and also MAC FBO...

Have u considered FBOs at GA airports close to your home? Something to think about...

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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:57 am

It can be interesting dependent on your employer but the days of it being a career are over. Payscales may have bottomed out at least for most of the US carriers so I guess you could hope they might start back up again but personally I doubt it. Use you college for something worthwhile. If you really care about your performance you will get beat down by those that don't.
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting Apollo13 (Reply 3):
I live in Concord, CA. I go to Diablo Valley College and a station for me would either be OAK or SFO. The only places with BART access.

The ticket counter jobs are about the only ones that are still airline employment as many of the airlines contract their ramp/operations out to 3rd parties. I believe that WN & UA still use their own ramp employees, but watch out for the others. Most air cargo facilities are also contract operations. (SFO)

[Edited 2007-11-03 23:08:15]
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting M404 (Reply 8):
It can be interesting dependent on your employer but the days of it being a career are over. Payscales may have bottomed out at least for most of the US carriers so I guess you could hope they might start back up again but personally I doubt it. Use you college for something worthwhile. If you really care about your performance you will get beat down by those that don't.

There is a lot of truth to this statement. If you want to stay in commercial aviation, an MBA or an engineering degree will get you quicker up the ladder than say an English degree (ask me how I know....)...
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:13 am

If you are curious and would like to try it out, why not? However let me warn you if you end up on the ramp, watch what you say and how you say it. I have found many of the other rampers (for whatever reason) do not care much for college students.

A better idea would to be find a paid internship in your field of study. I can almost guarantee an internship will be more beneficial to you long term than some job on the ramp.

This is worth repeating:

Quoting M404 (Reply 8):

Use you college for something worthwhile. If you really care about your performance you will get beat down by those that don't.

 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:18 am

Thanks for all the replies. Im still undecided about what my major might be. Ive always had a pssion for the study of aviation and all its aspects. Im scared as hell of flying but it never stops me of my hobby and passion.
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:20 am

Hi,

I've been working as an AAgent for the last year. I've started as a senior working on a double bachelors degree and now I'm working on my MBA. Never had any problems, there are usually some part time shifts to choose that will fit your schedule, or in the worst case scenario you make it work by changing shifts (CS) with you fellow co-workers.

PS I love my job. The pay is blah, but its not about the pay for me, its the benefits and I just generally really enjoy what I'm doing right now. Working for an airline as a student is just prefect, IMO.
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:11 am

Pilotboi, please use the spell checker on here!
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:21 pm

Quoting 44k (Reply 13):
Hi,

I've been working as an AAgent for the last year. I've started as a senior working on a double bachelors degree and now I'm working on my MBA. Never had any problems, there are usually some part time shifts to choose that will fit your schedule, or in the worst case scenario you make it work by changing shifts (CS) with you fellow co-workers.

PS I love my job. The pay is blah, but its not about the pay for me, its the benefits and I just generally really enjoy what I'm doing right now. Working for an airline as a student is just prefect, IMO.

I cant agree with you any more. My friend told me that i should be working at a job that pays nicely. Or at least better than what im getting now and get paid to do something or be around something that i love. As a matter of fact, I applied for Southwest around 3AM this morning online!!!
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):

So basically im fed up with my Old navy Job. It sucks having to sell people the Old Navy Credit Card.

Tell me about it.....I work for Dillard's and I always want to slap our bubbly assistant manager when she says "Now l want each of you to open up 10 credits today!"

As far as working in college.......I know at US Airways in Charlotte they do not honor any type of schedule limitation, which is why I ended up going to work at Dillard's for the time being. Check with the airline and station you are thinking about applying to and see what they say.
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:49 am

Please be aware that most U.S. airlines require you to be very flexible with scheduling when working on the ramp or any front line position. You have to work whatever shifts you are awarded from bids. I'm surprised people here have failed to mention that.
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:07 am

I would recommend WN at OAK.....it is a big WN station and you will have more flexibility with trading away days/hours. Note it is a union contracted job so everything is on a point system (ramp has a good contract), you bid for your days/positions. I’m a CSA with WN, work and school works out ok- for now (I have Tues, Wed and Thurs off) and work doubles on Saturdays, before I use to worked my 130pm-10pm or 230-11pm shifts and go to school in the morning.

[Edited 2007-11-04 22:11:54]

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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting Apollo13 (Reply 3):
I live in Concord, CA. I go to Diablo Valley College and a station for me would either be OAK or SFO. The only places with BART access.

Go for it! I have known a ton of college students working part time in the airlines. Try UA in SFO. Most part time shifts will be in the evenings, and all the senior agents love morning shifts. I personally like working at night, but as I get older, I am sure that will change!

The work is tough, but fun. Put in your resumes now, and see what comes of it. Be honest during your interviews about your school status. Perhaps seasonal work might be a option to look at.
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:47 am

SFO and OAK are both pretty big stations and you may have trouble finding a station manager that is willing to help you out and be flexible when there are hundreds of employees to be dealing with. Consider applying with a smaller FBO as they may (or may not) be more flexible and willing to work with you. You won't get nonrev benefits, but working with everything from a 152 to a GV is a reward in itself.
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:06 am

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 19):

I wanna go to F9!  hissyfit  (Bro, check your email!)
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:51 pm

I worked for UA in college in PVD and CMH... what a fun time that was! Ah.. memories.
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:06 am

Okay so i talked to my neighbor who worked for United back in the early to late 90's and told me that it would be a good idea to first go for a customer service/ operations agent position and then work my way down to the ramp so that i can get a feel for the industry and its structure. She tells me it might leave me a better chance of getting a position considering that i am still in college.
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:39 am

I too worked at Old Navy and had enough, then went and got my first airline job, at XJ in MSP, while in college.

I will tell you now the job is not all glamor, or really any glamor. It can be lots of hard work. It is a very interesting field though. There is never a dull day at the airport. Your goal is to get your first job in an airline, to get in the door. Then figure out other stuff you might want to try in the company. Who knows - you may try it and hate it. But at least you try.

There are some neat benefits to it, like the non-rev benefits. But if you are in college, your studies ALWAYS come first. Never make an exception to that. You start doing that and you will be stuck in a dead-end airline job, with no way out. There are lots of part-time jobs out there. Your goal is to earn a degree. If the job gets overwhelming, never let it impact your schoolwork. I let the airline overwhelm me and here I am, still working on my degree. I finally decided I had enough and went back to school. I'm now almost done and my goal is to run the airline, not just work for it.

It's like any other job. If you don't receive any usable benefits from it, whether non-rev privileges, a wage that pays your bills, health insurance, etc., then it's not worth it. Don't settle for some minimum wage job at an FBO just because you get to work around planes. When you do things like that, you lose sight of your goals in life and priorities get screwed up. You get stuck in a place like that forever with no way out.

Although I've gained a lot of valuable experience working the ramp, if I could go back and do it over again, I would have worked easy jobs to get through school then found a job in the airlines with my degree. But with a degree, you will find that airlines, and transportation in general, don't pay as well as other industries out there.
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:43 am

Acidradio and all the other members:

Thank you for your responses. I placed an application into American, United, and Southwest. But also placed applications for other jobs much closer to my house. (non aviation jobs). I do concern myself over my studies considering i might want to major or minor in Aviation down at CalState LA. I DO KNOW that i want to have some study of aviation. Its just too interesting to pass up even if it doesnt become my major. So while an airline job part time would be great, any other job other than Old Navy would be just as swell.  Smile
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:33 am

Why you should work for FedEx during college.

As a part-time permanent employee you'll enjoy the following benefits and perks:


  • More money per hour than any airline stated above.
  • Full medical.
  • Full dental.
  • Full vision.
  • Paid personal days.
  • Paid sick days.
  • Paid holidays.
  • Paid floating holidays.
  • Annual Purple Promise bonus.
  • 401(k).
  • Profit sharing.
  • Tuition reimbursement ($3,000 per fiscal year).
  • Non-rev on B6, WN, F9, TZ, GQ.
  • Discounted travel on AA, CO, NW, DL, and US (90% off).
  • Access to Open Skies holidays as a airline employee.
  • Opportunity to apply for Manager to Aspire Program.
  • Last, but not least, you work for the man - Fred Smith.


Don't hesitate to ask myself or AA61hvy for help in a job search.

Regards.

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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:18 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 26):
As a part-time permanent employee you'll enjoy the following benefits and perks...

Like with UPS, isn't there a catch to that? IE: Must sign up for at least 6 months to 1 year of service.... I know UPS requires it.
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:47 am

I am working the ramp here at MAF part-time for MQ before I start flight school, saving up money and such. I plan on keeping the job part-time after I start school also, as I have discussed my intentions with my supervisor and she has said they will be as accomodating as they can be for me. She told me that a young guy a couple years ago did the same thing I am planning on doing and stuck with MQ through his school and training and now sits right seat with a regional, Shuttle America I think.

I also work with a guy who has the same schedule as I do and is finishing up work on a degree as well. As far as I know he has never had a problem with balancing his schedule (apart from adjusting his body to wake up for work at 5am four days a week). Don't let that scare you though. I have come to really enjoy the mornings and I am finished for the day usually at 1130-1200 plus I have every afternoon and 3 days a week off.

One last thing, at my airline/station at least, there is never seems to be a shortage of overtime hours you came pick up. I doubt it is like that all over the place, but its a wonderful thing when you need a little extra scratch. And definently remember the benefits, for example, I'm going to ATL this weekend just for the hell of it.

Anyway Apollo, best of luck with whatever you decide to do.
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:09 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 17):
Please be aware that most U.S. airlines require you to be very flexible with scheduling when working on the ramp or any front line position. You have to work whatever shifts you are awarded from bids. I'm surprised people here have failed to mention that.

This is probably true for large airports. But as said a few times, with smaller airports they seem to be more flexible with your schedule. Of course, it always depends on your boss.

Quoting SkyguyB727 (Reply 14):
Pilotboi, please use the spell checker on here!

Yeah, lots of typos there, but does it really kill you? You can still read it, at least I hope you can. You could have PM about that though - I don't think it was appropriate to say it here.
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:01 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 17):
Please be aware that most U.S. airlines require you to be very flexible with scheduling when working on the ramp or any front line position. You have to work whatever shifts you are awarded from bids. I'm surprised people here have failed to mention that.

Yes, its true. I quit going to UCLA because I was hired @ AC as a Customer Service Agent. Reason why, is because i was the last one in the seniority list. A year later I have 20 Agents below me and now I can choose any shift i like.

Quoting 44k (Reply 13):
PS I love my job. The pay is blah, but its not about the pay for me, its the benefits and I just generally really enjoy what I'm doing right now. Working for an airline as a student is just prefect, IMO.

Its true I'm also for the flight benefits, nothing beats $40 LAX-YYZ-CDG-YYZ-LAX or $90 LAX-YYZ-LHR-YYZ-LAX.

I know i did a stupid decision, but this spring I'm starting at a community college.
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:09 pm

Have you considered working as a flight attendant? That's how I got through my years of college. I worked full time as a flight attendant for a Canadian charter airline during the summers and then part-time during the school year. The airline would keep on staff some college "summer students" to operate flights of Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays as these were the busiest days of operation. Most of the flights were "turnarounds" (such as YYZ-CUN-YYZ), which would bring you back home the same day, although I did find myself spending weekends in CDG and LGW!

I was by far my best college job ever...
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting Matt (Reply 31):

The only problem is that i have a MORBID FEAR OF FLYING. Its usually the takeoffs that scare me the most. Last time i flew on a long trip (china) i had a breakdown. So yeah a F/A job wouldnt suit me as much Big grin
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:55 am

I'm transferring up to SF State next fall and I fully intend to investigate a part-time job next summer at SFO or possibly OAK. It seems that most work for carriers like FedEx (correct me if I'm wrong) would be primarily during the graveyard shifts, which would be quite conducive for a full-time student. Thanks FXRamper for the list of FX perks... didn't know there were non-rev benefits on low-cost carriers!
 
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RE: College And Working For The Airlines?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:47 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 26):
Access to Open Skies holidays as a airline employee.

What is this, by the way?

Thanks in advance.
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