AA 767-400ER

Thu Aug 24, 2000 1:10 am

I did a search on this and it returned a whole bunch of posts. So I thought it would be easier to ask the question again.

Will American Airlines order any 767-400ERs.

Thanks for your replies in advance.

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RE: AA 767-400ER

Thu Aug 24, 2000 1:30 am

if they do,it will not be immediately since they already have several 767-300 ER's on order. and the 767-400 is more or less a replacement for the A300,and i also think they will be looking at delta to see how well it does for them, so i might expect an order, but not for another six months or so.
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RE: AA 767-400ER

Thu Aug 24, 2000 1:36 am

Actually, Blink, AA has received all the -300ERs it has on order. Its interesting that this question got brought up again, because over on the Orders discussion forum, it was reported that there is a very strong rumour going around the industry that Boeing is prepared to announce the North American launch of the -400ERX. Although both DL and CO could certainly be converting some of their orders, the line is that AA is going to be this launch customer. If so, I would expect an announcement next month or so, when the pilots contract is signed.

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RE: AA 767-400ER

Thu Aug 24, 2000 2:32 am

I think so too. American is one of Boeing's most important customer, with Delta and Continental. American has not signed a contract yet with Boeing for an order of 767-400's but it is possible that they do so in the future...I don't know when. They did receive all the 300ER's they had ordered but they still have a few more of those on option, so I would not expect an order any time soon. It is also possible that they don't take any of the 300ER's they have on option and order 400's instead. Yes, if Boeing launches the 400ERX, you can expect American to be one of the first customers to order the variant. I see the 767-400ER as a future replacement of the A300-600, the A300's they have are still yound but they'll probably be all phased out in ten years from now. It is unlikely that Amerian chooses the A330 over the 767-400ER.
What routes would the new 400ER's be operated on? I would say transatlantic flights out of JFK and ORD and flights to South America from MIA, in a few years from now.


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AA And The 764 Or A33- American 767

Thu Aug 24, 2000 2:43 am

Keep in mind, AA767, that American can't order any Airbus widebody products. (I don't mean to single you out, or make it personal.) I am just calling to attention the agreement AA has with Boeing. In exchange for bargain basement prices on new 757's, American agreed to not order any widebody Airbus procuts. Boeing is also not worried about AA ordering single asile Airubses, as AA already has 400 nex-gen 737's on option. In other words, with 400 boeings on option, no one is worried about them switching to airbus. So it is pretty much a given that AA will stick with Boeing for all of its needs in the future.
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RE: AA 767-400ER

Thu Aug 24, 2000 2:52 am

Concurring with several of the other posts, I think AA will order the 767-400 also. Perhaps for one additional reason, the eventual replacement of the first 767-200's, as well as the A300-600's. The first 767's came on in 1981 as I recall. I think the A-300-600s came shortly after that.
The 767-400 will make a great replacement for the 762's currently on several trans-con routings, as well as add capacity on latin American and trans-Atlantic routes that will not quite sustain a 777.

RE: AA 767-400ER

Thu Aug 24, 2000 3:26 am

aa737823, The exclusive agreement with AA and Boeing was cancelled when Boeing acquired McDonnell Douglas in order to receive European approval of the deal. However, I'm sure favorable terms are still in place and Boeing and AA have an (wink wink) understanding that AA will commit to Boeing products.
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RE: AA 767-400ER

Thu Aug 24, 2000 5:10 am

What's the difference between the 767-400ER and ERX?
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RE: AA 767-400ER

Thu Aug 24, 2000 8:56 am

The ERX variant has a fuel tank in the tail to improve range.

RE: AA 767-400ER

Thu Aug 24, 2000 9:04 am

The B767-400ERX has more fuel and engines which put out 72,000 lb. thrust (as opposed to 63,000 lb.), increasing range and bettering performance.
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RE: AA 767-400ER

Thu Aug 24, 2000 10:13 am

My guess is that American Airlines will start to buy the 767-400ER soon. The reason is simple: AA has just about phased out their DC-10 fleet, and the MD-11's future at AA is quite iffy.

AA will probably buy as many as 35 767-400ER's; they will be primarily used for US transcon, US West Coast to Hawaii, DFW/MIA to Latin America and MIA/JFK to Europe flights.

AA will -not- be in the market for the 767-400ERX, though. The 764ERX overlaps too much with the 777-200ER that AA is now flying, and AA will likely continue to buy more 772ER's instead buy 764ERX's.

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