N6168E
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Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:15 pm

I just got a call from my sister in FLA that she got a call from DL advising her that her flight from SLK to BOS in Jan has been canceled and there was no alternative. Knowing that Big Sky had just started this service on Oct 31, she questioned the agent. The agent told my sister that she would double check with a supervisor about the service. When DL called her back, they told he that Big Sky was suspending service from Jan 3 through Feb 13 and they had received notification on Nov 3. I checked the DL web site and found that there are no flights for sale for either SLK or PBG (PLB). What is Big Sky up to here? Since this is an EAS route, I'm sure the DOT is not going to be very happy about this and I can't wait for the reaction from the local communities for this to happen less than a week after their ribbon cutting ceremonies: http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise...nclude/articles.asp?articleID=9203 Not the best way to start off a long-term relationship "deLeeuw said it was a big day for Delta, too. He said that Wednesday was the beginning of a 'long-term, very solid relationship' between Big Sky and the Adirondack Regional Airport." My sister called the Saranac Lake Chamber of Commerce and they had not heard anything.

On a side note, the couple travel sites that I looked at do not recognize the airport code of PBG, while the DL site does not recognize the city code of PLB. I was under the impression that the City code would remain PLB even with service out of Plattsburgh International (PBG).
 
acvitale
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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:46 pm

The airport code for the Plattsburgh service is PBG. No service appears under the PLB code.

As for the SLK and PLB service suspension.. Bizzare...

I wish they kept the CO service. It was reliable, Would have preferred it went to EWR in leiu of BOS but a double connect is better then no service.

Big Sky seems to have had a series of issues that are still not resolved to this day. Not enough planes, not enough pilots and abuse of the DL code.
 
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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:52 pm

that didnt take long..anything in the plattsburg newspaper
 
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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:21 pm

Does the new G4 service affect PBG's eligability for EAS service?
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N6168E
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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:29 pm

Quoting ACVitale (Reply 1):
wish they kept the CO service. It was reliable, Would have preferred it went to EWR in leiu of BOS but a double connect is better then no service.

Yes, Commutair was reliable and EWR would have been much prefered as there was a lot of O/D traffic to NYC, but CO didn't want the Beech's in EWR. Personally, I liked the 1900. (Disclamer, my brother is retired from them and I worked with a lot of their people at Air North/Brockway Air/Metro Air Northeast)

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2):
that didnt take long..anything in the plattsburg newspaper

No, it sure didn't take long. Since the schedule was loaded on 03Nov, the knew this when they had the ribbon cutting ceromonies on 31Oct. Nothing in either the Plattsburgh or Saranac Lake papers. I will check tomorrow and report if anything come up.
 
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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:42 pm

Quoting N6168E (Reply 4):
CO didn't want the Beech's in EWR.

And how does CO have the right to dictate what aircraft fly into and out of EWR????? Unless, the Beech 1900s are flying as a CO Express carrier what busienss is it of theirs? Do they have something against prop planes..???

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N6168E
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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:48 pm

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 5):
And how does CO have the right to dictate what aircraft fly into and out of EWR????? Unless, the Beech 1900s are flying as a CO Express carrier what busienss is it of theirs? Do they have something against prop planes..???

Commutair was flying as a CO Express. When Commutair was a USAirways Express carrier, they flew PLB/SLK-ALB-EWR. When Commutair went to Continetal Express, CO was going all jet in EWR (including RJ's from ALB).
 
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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:17 pm

Quoting N6168E (Reply 6):
When Commutair went to Continetal Express, CO was going all jet in EWR (including RJ's from ALB).

Hmm..in other words, if the communities cannot be served by a Jet Aircraft, then they are considered less important and there fore are dropped.... If these communities were being flown with Beech 1900s in the first place, whhat was the problem? Was CO so anal about prop planes that they simply couldnt deal with them anymore? Hardly seems that uinless CO actually owns the entire EWR airport (Last time I checked it was owned by the NYC/NJ Port Authority) they have no basis for banning ANY prop planes....sheesh.....When will we ever get over this aversion to these small but important aircraft???/

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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:58 pm

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 7):
Hardly seems that uinless CO actually owns the entire EWR airport (Last time I checked it was owned by the NYC/NJ Port Authority) they have no basis for banning ANY prop planes

If the plane is flying for CO, then they have every right to ban them. Obviously, they can't ban other airlines.

The bottomline is that there is only so much capacity available at EWR and using very small props isn't a very efficient use of that capacity.

[Edited 2007-11-05 12:59:12]
 
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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:34 pm

This is what happens when Delta contracts with a bottom feeding airline. No more Mesaba Airlines to support the horrendously unprofitable BigSky anymore... this is what you get. Awww 'cmon MAIR, why don't you use the hundres of millions you siphoned from Mesaba Airlines and fix BigSky! I mean after all, you've had since 2002 to do it.




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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:01 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 8):
The bottomline is that there is only so much capacity available at EWR and using very small props isn't a very efficient use of that capacity.

I believe Newark actually banned planes with less than than thirty seats a few years ago in an attempt to reduce congestion.
 
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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:39 pm

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 5):

And how does CO have the right to dictate what aircraft fly into and out of EWR????? Unless, the Beech 1900s are flying as a CO Express carrier what busienss is it of theirs?

They have the right to dictate the carriers that fly their flag. Since Commutair was by then a strictly CO Connection operation, CO can tell them where they can and cannot fly flights with the CO code, paint, name, etc. USAirways does the same thing with Saabs/Beeches at PHL. It's really no big deal.

As for your question about CO's hatred of props... that's pretty funny. Have you paid any attention to the CLE and IAH hubs? How about the Q400 order for EWR ops?
 
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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 11):
As for your question about CO's hatred of props... that's pretty funny. Have you paid any attention to the CLE and IAH hubs? How about the Q400 order for EWR ops?



Quoting N6168E (Reply 6):
When Commutair went to Continetal Express, CO was going all jet in EWR (including RJ's from ALB).



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 10):
I believe Newark actually banned planes with less than than thirty seats a few years ago in an attempt to reduce congestion.

Isn't another concern the fact that Be1900s would need a tarmac boarding? Would that be a problem at Terminal C?

I think also speed in the pattern/approach was also a concern.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 7):

As others have said, with the aircraft flying in CO colors, CO calls the shots. If they feel turboprop/EAS services don't fit in at EWR, that is their call. They have CLE to serve these markets.
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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:42 am

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 12):
As others have said, with the aircraft flying in CO colors, CO calls the shots. If they feel turboprop/EAS services don't fit in at EWR, that is their call. They have CLE to serve these markets.

I would have loved CO to service these markets from CLE.

They however served them from BOS which meant either a US-CO or DL-CO connection or a double connect for CO-CO-CO to get to SLK from Florida markets (a large portion of the traffic is Florida bound) but either way unless you were going to BOS/IAH/CLE/EWR it was a double connection on line CO.
 
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RE: Big Sky /DL Temp Suspending SLK & PBG

Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting ACVitale (Reply 13):
would have loved CO to service these markets from CLE.

They however served them from BOS which meant either a US-CO or DL-CO connection or a double connect for CO-CO-CO to get to SLK from Florida markets (a large portion of the traffic is Florida bound) but either way unless you were going to BOS/IAH/CLE/EWR it was a double connection on line CO.

That is true. I forgot Commutair routed a lot of their EAS routes that way. I stand corrected.
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