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Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:02 pm

With 23 new aircraft (including 4 A380s) joining the fleet in 2008, Emirates is bound to expand its route network, and there seems to be no shortage of rumors about possible new destinations.... here are some - to name just a few:

Europe
- Prague (PRG)
- Copenhagen (CPH)
- Stockholm (ARN)
- St Petersburg (LED)
- Barcelona (BCN)


North America
- Chicago (ORD)
- Montreal (YUL)

Asis
- Almaty (ALA)
- Tashkent (TAS)
- Chengdu (CTU)
- Ho Chi Min (SGN)
- Amritsar (ATQ)

Any comments?
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:10 pm

there were some rumours about a new destination in Turkey, most probably Ankara (ESB) with A332 equipment. as much as I would love to see them starting that route as much I doubt it. but looking at the Turkish market a second daily 332 flight to IST is more likely...

DUB is also a big fish in Europe!
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:16 pm

I would add YYC to that list for North America. They came through YYC on September 24th and announced their intentions to serve YYC in the near future as soon as the bilateral can be worked out between Canada and the UAE. In fact I would dare say YYC will get the service before YUL. One needs to look no farther than LH's new service starting to YYC in April, where they will be offering an exclusive membership for Oil and Gas business travellers to get more points and upgrades due to the industry they work in. Emirates as well must recognize the value of YYC having all the oil and gas company HQ's here and want to capitalize on that with its network into the Middle East.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:24 pm

I would also add some other cities to that list:

Lisbon (LIS)
Capetown (CPT)
Caracas (CCS)
Guangzhou (CAN)
Luanda (LAD)
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:28 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 3):
I would also add some other cities to that list:

Lisbon (LIS)
Capetown (CPT)
Caracas (CCS)
Guangzhou (CAN)
Luanda (LAD)

I can see Guangzhou and (may be) Lisbon, but why Caracas or Luanda? A mere fact of these two being capitals of oil-producing countries does not, IMHO, mean that there is any significant demand for flights between Middle East and these cities...
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:31 pm

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 2):
I would add YYC to that list for North America. They came through YYC on September 24th and announced their intentions to serve YYC in the near future as soon as the bilateral can be worked out between Canada and the UAE. In fact I would dare say YYC will get the service before YUL. One needs to look no farther than LH's new service starting to YYC in April, where they will be offering an exclusive membership for Oil and Gas business travellers to get more points and upgrades due to the industry they work in. Emirates as well must recognize the value of YYC having all the oil and gas company HQ's here and want to capitalize on that with its network into the Middle East.

First they have to get around the fact that the Canadian government has signalled in no uncertain terms that upgrading that bilateral is not a priority. Relations between the two governments are not at their best, and whether aviation is the reason, or the hostage, is hard to say, but right now I'd say that efforts by the UAE to strongarm the Canadian government are unlikely to succeed.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:34 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 1):
DUB is also a big fish in Europe

Yup there are rumors that EI is going to pull DXB to put the AC on north american routes and if they do im sure they will be in like a shot. Time will only tell
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting Addd (Reply 4):
I can see Guangzhou and (may be) Lisbon, but why Caracas or Luanda? A mere fact of these two being capitals of oil-producing countries does not, IMHO, mean that there is any significant demand for flights between Middle East and these cities...

you never know! this is Emirates and sometimes the choose of destinations isn't that logical.

[Edited 2007-11-05 13:38:46]
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:42 pm

So, here comes the updated list:

Europe
- Prague (PRG)
- Copenhagen (CPH)
- Stockholm (ARN)
- St Petersburg (LED)
- Barcelona (BCN)
- Lisbon (LIS)
- Dublin (DUB)

North America
- Chicago (ORD)

Asia
- Almaty (ALA)
- Tashkent (TAS)
- Chengdu (CTU)
- Guangzhou (CAN)
- Ho Chi Min (SGN)
- Amritsar (ATQ)
- Ankara (ESB) - it still sounds like a possibility to me despite Stylo777's pessimism... Smile
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:56 pm

Quoting Sebring (Reply 5):
First they have to get around the fact that the Canadian government has signalled in no uncertain terms that upgrading that bilateral is not a priority. Relations between the two governments are not at their best, and whether aviation is the reason, or the hostage, is hard to say, but right now I'd say that efforts by the UAE to strongarm the Canadian government are unlikely to succeed.

The UAE should have some leverage over Canada. We have had a base near Dubai since 2001.
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:58 pm

IAH-DXB will go from 3x weekly to daily.
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting Ssides (Reply 10):
IAH-DXB will go from 3x weekly to daily

... but Emirates does not fly to IAH at the moment. If anything, it is a possible new destination for 2008.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:23 pm

Quoting Addd (Reply 11):
Quoting Ssides (Reply 10):
IAH-DXB will go from 3x weekly to daily

... but Emirates does not fly to IAH at the moment. If anything, it is a possible new destination for 2008.

Possible? Starts in 27days... http://www.emirates.com/usa/Travelle...re_fly/newroutes/2007new_route.asp
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:25 pm

Quoting Addd (Reply 11):
... but Emirates does not fly to IAH at the moment. If anything, it is a possible new destination for 2008.

maybe you mixed up IAH with IAH in your mind... IAD was also in talks several months ago...
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:28 pm

I hope for TXL and STR, but seeing the current vague of protectionism in Germany I'm not really optimist.

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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:35 pm

Quoting A350 (Reply 14):
I hope for TXL and STR, but seeing the current vague of protectionism in Germany I'm not really optimist.

wasn't there a rumour that they will start serving a Polish city very close to TXL?? I think this won't happen, but IIRC there were some talks.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting Addd (Reply 8):
North America
- Chicago (ORD)

Don't forget LAX, IAD, and/or SFO... EK is very interested in serving those cities. In fact, EK almost launched nonstop DXB-SFO in 2004 with the A345 (it was even loaded into CRS systems for a few days)... but if EK serves DXB-SFO nonstop, it's most likely to be with the 777-200LR (same goes for LAX). Either that, or a 777-300ER with a stop somewhere in Europe.

As for ORD and IAD, they would most likely be a nonstop 773ER to DXB, as the 773ER has the range to do ORD/IAD-DXB nonstop.

And don't be surprised if JFK-DXB goes A380 ASAP.
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:13 pm

Please do not forget South America

Buenos Aires EZE
Bogota BOG

and 2 daily São Paulo
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:28 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 13):
Quoting Addd (Reply 11):
... but Emirates does not fly to IAH at the moment. If anything, it is a possible new destination for 2008.

maybe you mixed up IAH with IAH in your mind... IAD was also in talks several months ago...

I did indeed - I was thinking Washington-Dulles (IAD).... of course, they are starting Houston (IAH) in Novemnber 2007.

Quoting Skyteam2000 (Reply 17):
Please do not forget South America

Buenos Aires EZE
Bogota BOG

and 2 daily São Paulo

In 2008? I doubt it. And Bogota - where would the loads come from (stereotypical jokes about Colombia aside)?
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:34 am

While certainly not in 2008, they've already indiciated that Miami is a question of when, not if. I think we will see at least two new U.S. cities in 2008. Chicago and San Francisco are my wildcard guesses, with 2-3 new North American cities coming online each year through at least 2011.
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting Addd (Reply 8):
Dublin (DUB)

Whilst DUB is doing extremely well for EY and loads are 80% and over if EK came on the route this would be divided between them. DUB can sustain one carrier DUB-AUH/DXB and onwards to Far East , Australia but I doubt 2 Middle East carriers would do as well as EY is now. Its 50/50 as to whether EK will come to DUB. EY have established themselves very well here and EK would have to go head to head against them.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:43 am

I say:

ORD
LAX
SFO
YYC (If bilateral is changed)
DUB
BCN

Not Likely:
ARN
YUL
PRG

No Shot:
LIS
LAD
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:59 am

Amsterdam!!!!

A
M
S
T
E
R
D
A
M

Why not??

EK shoulda been here ages ago!!
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:05 am

Add MZJ, GYR, VCV, and ROW in the next few years ... maybe later.

One-ways.

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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:22 am

I hope they do start Chengdu, its such an awesome city! Does anyone see this as being likely?
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
While certainly not in 2008, they've already indiciated that Miami is a question of when, not if. I think we will see at least two new U.S. cities in 2008. Chicago and San Francisco are my wildcard guesses, with 2-3 new North American cities coming online each year through at least 2011.

That is quite a bit of expansion, that could be anywhere from 8-11 new cities.

Not including YYZ, IAH that leaves only a few possibilities. Any guesses aside from MIA. I would have to guess that YUL, ORD, LAX (as mentioned), SFO (as mentioned), IAD (as mentioned), MIA (as MAH mentioned), that leaves another 2-5 cities. How about YVR, PHL, MEX (do they have plans to serve there?)
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 20):
EY have established themselves very well here and EK would have to go head to head against them.

EK has a far superior network both sides of there respective hubs in the UAE. For example, in Australasia, EK has a very significant presence in AKL, CHC, MEL and PER - all untouched by EY. These all feed through DXB to the increasing array of European points. If DUB was added, that would just add to the network, another feed through DXB, on to its increasing array of points the other side. I think EK would easily live with EY into DUB.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:47 am

When people make comments on these boards, do they have any sense of market sizes?

Its great to speculate, but EK has data on market sizes, and acts accordingly. It would be laughable to think that YYC has nearly the traffic potential .. No doubt that YYC has the high-yield traffic component, but is the volume there to support a daily service to DXB?

DXB local is not big enough of a draw to support service. But again, EK has 45 A380's and god knows what else coming in.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:52 am

I am surprised ADL is not on the list.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:47 am

GRU will most likely not go double daily any time soon, since EK has already applied to frequencies to GIG. DXB-GIG-EZE is what it is being rumoured.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting B752OS (Reply 25):

That is quite a bit of expansion, that could be anywhere from 8-11 new cities.

Not including YYZ, IAH that leaves only a few possibilities. Any guesses aside from MIA. I would have to guess that YUL, ORD, LAX (as mentioned), SFO (as mentioned), IAD (as mentioned), MIA (as MAH mentioned), that leaves another 2-5 cities. How about YVR, PHL, MEX (do they have plans to serve there?)

My entirely uneducated guesses would be something along the lines of...

2008: O'Hare, San Francisco
2009: Dulles, Los Angeles, Mexico City
2010: Miami, Newark, Montreal, Vancouver

Then further down the line we can see Boston, Calgary, Dallas, Detroit, etc.

It will be interesting to see some of the routings, though. The U,S. has Open Skies with the U.A.E. and, soon, the E.U. The U.A.E. also has Open Skies with many European countries, and that list is growing (i.e. Spain will soon be added). This will open up Emirates to a huge variety of possible Dubai-Europe-USA routes. And Emirates isn't one to serve markets with just one flight a day, even smaller markets like Auckland are served multiple times a day.

And as much as some people will argue that Calgary is the "obvious" choice for their next Canada destination thanks to oil traffic, I have to respectfully disagree. Vancouver, with it's huge Indian communities, is the more logical next step, especially as Emirates build heavily on using Dubai to connect to India.
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting Klm-md11 (Reply 22):
Amsterdam!!!!

first I thought the same and would love to see that route, but there are no traffic rights at the moment which allows EK to fly to the Netherlands. Only KLM at the moment is allowed to do so.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:05 pm

Quoting Flyyul (Reply 27):
When people make comments on these boards, do they have any sense of market sizes?

Its great to speculate, but EK has data on market sizes, and acts accordingly. It would be laughable to think that YYC has nearly the traffic potential .. No doubt that YYC has the high-yield traffic component, but is the volume there to support a daily service to DXB?

I made my comments based on statements by EK with regards to YYC when they came through here in September. If that is not good enough to put us on the speculation list I don't know what is. When they say "we want to serve Calgary" how can you interpret that any other way?

If it doesn't make any sense with regards to the economics...well as you have stated they have all these planes and god knows how many more coming, gotta send 'em somewhere right? Big grin
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:22 pm

HI!

Is there any rumors of EK coming to MEX? It would be superb to see their airliners arriving here... maybe 777LR?

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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:41 pm

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 32):
I made my comments based on statements by EK with regards to YYC when they came through here in September. If that is not good enough to put us on the speculation list I don't know what is. When they say "we want to serve Calgary" how can you interpret that any other way?

Well, sometimes airlines say things to whip up airport authorities so they will support their desire for expanded bilateral rights, but something like "we want to serve Calgary and will do so five minutes after we get the rights - you have our word on that" would be a little more impressive.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:07 pm

Quoting Addd (Reply 4):
I can see Guangzhou and (may be) Lisbon, but why Caracas or Luanda? A mere fact of these two being capitals of oil-producing countries does not, IMHO, mean that there is any significant demand for flights between Middle East and these cities...

Perhaps not any O&D traffic between Dubai and Luanda. I could imagine that they could capture a good bit of the fast-growing China-Angola market, especially if introducing Guangzhou. CZ already flies (or are just about to?) fly from Guangzhou to Luanda.

Lisbon might be a possibility for connections to Asia, as this will not impose as big a time penalty as from some of the more northern European countries.


Regarding CPH, I believe it is less likely. They should have started last fall, but withdrew after the cartoon crisis. Whether or not that was a bad excuse (probably), the route has been less attractive now that SK inaugurated CPH-DXB last week, though this route is only seasonal.
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:29 pm

Quoting AeroMexico777 (Reply 33):
Is there any rumors of EK coming to MEX? It would be superb to see their airliners arriving here... maybe 777LR?

I could see them landing here if and only if they are granted 5th freedom rights to/from a point in Europe. Not very likely IMO.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:35 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
And as much as some people will argue that Calgary is the "obvious" choice for their next Canada destination thanks to oil traffic, I have to respectfully disagree. Vancouver, with it's huge Indian communities, is the more logical next step, especially as Emirates build heavily on using Dubai to connect to India.

That assumes everything across the Pacific remains status quo. I do not make that assumption. A Pacific nonstop to DEL is likely within the timeframe you suggest.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:48 pm

Emirates has literally listed every major North American international city as a candidate for service. Including Seattle, Boston etc.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:59 pm

and brussels,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,??????????????
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:37 pm

My speculated list for EK in 2008 based upon news articles, comments made by EK management over the last year etc would be as follows :

North America = ORD + 1 West Coast city

Europe = BCN or MAD & CPH

Asia = SGN & CAN

South America = GRU-EZE
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:54 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 3):
Caracas (CCS)

I don't think so!

I'll take a stab and include some personal biases!

EDI
DUB
BCN
CPT
LIS
CPH
PRG
ORD
YUL

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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:11 pm

Tel Aviv LOL Joke


When Emirates starts flying A380s to cities like New York? Will their prices go down alittle bit?
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:55 pm

Maybe GVA, I could see quite some demand there. Also wasn't there once a rumour about NUE...would be the very first long haul flight for Nurnberg, Germany.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting AM744 (Reply 36):

to my understanding the UAE and Mexico signed a memerandium aviation bilateral agreement which gives 5th freedom rights to EK to fly into MEX from Europe.


According to Chief Director of EK...they plan to fly to MEX no later than 5 yrs from now.

Latin destinations for EK (other than GRU) include EZE, SCL, MEX, BOG. in the near future.
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:20 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 31):

first I thought the same and would love to see that route, but there are no traffic rights at the moment which allows EK to fly to the Netherlands. Only KLM at the moment is allowed to do so.

Really? Wow... interesting bilateral for Dubai to sign. There is a big hole in EK's route map in that part of Europe...

Quoting Ssides (Reply 10):
IAH-DXB will go from 3x weekly to daily.

If it does anything like their other North American destinations, I'd agree with that!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 13):
IAD was also in talks several months ago...

We need to talk LAX!  hissyfit 

Quoting Skyteam2000 (Reply 17):
Please do not forget South America

EK won't. I expect one more South American destination in 2008. Maybe two.  spin 

Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 21):
ORD
LAX
SFO
YYC (If bilateral is changed)
DUB
BCN

A little northern Hemisphere focused.  Wink Seriously, due to the high transfer traffic, I'm personally just as interesting in the Asian, African, and subcontinent expansion. But What is their limit to India? If EK is close to the limit... add Pune and then up-gauge.  Wink

Quoting Flying lsd (Reply 39):
and brussels,,,,

What about Luxembourg? There was rumors of that before. Great cargo connections to.


Any word on a new China bilateral? Both countries would win if Chengdu, Chunking, Hunnan (province, what's the city? mind block) or a few other cities were added. Let's face it, China wants the "prestige" of opening their inland cities sometime soon (or otherwise, why build such large airports!).

Any which way, 23 new airframes is a huge expansion opportunity. Last I looked, only a few wet leased freighters were scheduled to leave the fleet.

It will be interesting.
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:58 pm

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 44):
According to Chief Director of EK...they plan to fly to MEX no later than 5 yrs from now.

Hope so.... May it be via MXP or FCO ? As currently we dont have any direct flight to Italy

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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:50 pm

Quoting AeroMexico777 (Reply 46):
Hope so.... May it be via MXP or FCO ? As currently we dont have any direct flight to Italy

EK093 DXB-MXP-FCO-DXB daily with 773
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:57 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 47):
Quoting AeroMexico777 (Reply 46):
Hope so.... May it be via MXP or FCO ? As currently we dont have any direct flight to Italy

EK093 DXB-MXP-FCO-DXB daily with 773

I guess AeroMexico777 meant there are currently no direct flights between MEXICO and Italy... Smile
 
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RE: Where Will Emirates Start Flying In 2008?

Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:06 pm

Quoting Addd (Reply 48):
I guess AeroMexico777 meant there are currently no direct flights between MEXICO and Italy

that's for sure, I understood that already, but due to the actual schedule which is a triangle flight I don't think they make an additional tag-on to MEX. they need to separate both cities than...

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