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CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:11 am

I know this has been discussed before but the forum is now archived and I was looking for updated information. I know Continental is fitting their 757 with PTVs in coach (see link below to myaviation.net). How quickly are they going in for the updating? Are they AVOD? Now lets not start this as a "757s across the Atlantic" thread, but I'm simply asking anyone with information out there about this. Thanks in advance!

http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=01175294

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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:05 pm

They are AVOD for Y, BusinessFirst already has the AVOD.
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:27 pm

Hi..I was actually about to put the same question up here regarding the Co 757's.I flew on 2 of them LGW-CLE-LGW late August /early September but they had no new IFE on board (not that I was bothered because I watched a couple of movies on my PSP)..and now I'm booked on Continental 757s MAN-EWR-MAN in early January and wondered what are the chances of AVOD.What is the time span of refitting the CO 757's with AVOD?.Many thanks in advance for any info given  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:42 pm

My thoughts would be that they try to put those aircrafts with the reconfigured PTVs in coach on more "mainline" routes such as CDG, MAN, MAD, LGW. I will be flying EWR-CPH and OSL-EWR in early January and I'm assuming these are not top priority routes for CO to receive the fittings.

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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:46 pm

Quoting JetSetter629 (Reply 3):
My thoughts would be that they try to put those aircrafts with the reconfigured PTVs in coach on more "mainline" routes such as CDG, MAN, MAD, LGW. I will be flying EWR-CPH and OSL-EWR in early January and I'm assuming these are not top priority routes for CO to receive the fittings.

Any 757-200 route at any given time has an equal shot of getting the 757 with AVOD. CO does not prioritize specific 757s for a given market; they are rotated throughout the system quite randomly.
 
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:23 pm

Quoting 777gk (Reply 4):
Any 757-200 route at any given time has an equal shot of getting the 757 with AVOD. CO does not prioritize specific 757s for a given market; they are rotated throughout the system quite randomly.

yep. with a mixed fleet of AVOD vs. overhead, they couldn't market a consistent product on any route anyway, so they won't do so until the whole fleet is upgraded. Then they will be able to market that all TATL flights have PTVs, with 757s and 777s having AVOD and 767s having "looped" video channels. But until then, they won't bother trying to put one type of 757 on one route specifically.
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:29 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
with 757s and 777s having AVOD and 767s having "looped" video channels

I flew last month on a 777 from IAH-LGW and LGW-IAH that still had looped video.

Will all 777s eventually get AVOD?
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:38 pm

AFAIK, Ship 130 is still the only Y-AVOD-ed 752. Last I checked, only one 757 is in heavy Mx check at a given time. After 130, a couple 753s were next in line... which will remain non-AVOD for some time yet. I will try for an update tomorrow.  bouncy 
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:42 pm

Quoting Mcamargo (Reply 6):
Will all 777s eventually get AVOD?

Yes  yes  .. Ships 010,019,020, and soon 013, are so equipped.
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:40 pm

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 8):
Yes yes .. Ships 010,019,020, and soon 013, are so equipped.

Do you know when all the 777's are supposed to be done?
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:03 pm

That is a really nice looking Y cabin with those big PTV's. Maybe that will quiet some of the "No 757 over the pond" naysayers.
 
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:05 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10):
Maybe that will quiet some of the "No 757 over the pond" naysayers.

Hardly. They'll still be connecting through somewhere else and be stubborn. The rest will enjoy AVOD.
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:35 pm

Are there no plans to add AVOD to the 767s ? (I might be flying to FRA in April)
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:10 pm

The next 757 AVOD Mod is due at the end of this month at MCOMX, believe it will be around the 27th of November. Then as that one gets modified, the next one will come in and so on, until the fleet is completed sometime next year. It will be one after another as we will only have one Mod Line doing the work, as planned for now. It is very extensive work.
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:13 am

Quoting Mcamargo (Reply 6):
I flew last month on a 777 from IAH-LGW and LGW-IAH that still had looped video.

Will all 777s eventually get AVOD?

Yes. Eventually. It is not clear if the 764s will follow. The 762s likely will not, as they are going to be in the fleet the shortest amount of time of all current TATL aircraft.

Also, some 737NG will get AVOD. (when is still up in the air, but it would be assumed that the 739ER would have it on delivery...)

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 9):
Do you know when all the 777's are supposed to be done?

It'll be a race to see which fleet finishes first, but both fleets will be AVOD equipped. I thought the 777s would finish first since they have fewer of them, but the 757s are easier to take out of service than the 777s. Since the older 777s are analog, it's not a simple job. Putting in completely new AVOD seats on the 757 is probably an easier task than retrofitting the screens, controllers and underseat boxes on the 777s, but I'm not a technician so they might be able to shed light on which is easier.
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:22 am

The 777 fleet should be completed by Dec 2009. But as always subject to change.
 
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 13):
Then as that one gets modified, the next one will come in and so on, until the fleet is completed sometime next year



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
It'll be a race to see which fleet finishes first, but both fleets will be AVOD equipped. I thought the 777s would finish first since they have fewer of them, but the 757s are easier to take out of service than the 777s

Just out of curiosity, how long and how complicated is the process of installing AVOD on aircrafts?
 
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:40 pm

Quoting JetSetter629 (Reply 16):
Just out of curiosity, how long and how complicated is the process of installing AVOD on aircrafts?

AVOD, as far as the seats go, you just change out the seat assemblies. Lot of grunt work. One of the big jobs, is changing the power feed lines from the engines and apu, they are being upgraded from aluminum to copper, for the increased power demand. Lots of work there. New computer boxes to control the whole thing, plus there is some other work that is done along with Service or A checks, depending on how long the plane sits in the hangar. As the project goes along, the time to do it will get shorter, last one was a STC airplane, so it took longer along with the snags that popped up during the project. It is hoped to get the time per airplane down to near 2 weeks per plane.
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:40 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
The 762s likely will not, as they are going to be in the fleet the shortest amount of time of all current TATL aircraft.

Really? They're pretty new - or are they just 787 stopgaps more or less?
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:53 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 18):
Really? They're pretty new - or are they just 787 stopgaps more or less?

long discussions on this. as fuel gets more expensive, their life seems that much shorter. CO has talked about the second batch of 787s replacing the 762s, though some CO people deny it.

But don't expect the 762 to get AVOD. Not worth the investment, already has PTVs, other planes are greater priority.
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:53 pm

Here’s a video I took of AVOD in coach on CO 757-200. The seats are also really conformable.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=cYpL_d7ctoA
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:56 pm

Nice widescreen monitors. Too bad they aren't showing widescreen content to go with them...
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:12 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 13):
The next 757 AVOD Mod is due at the end of this month at MCOMX

Ship 853 ( a 753) is still in MCOMX. It should be out in the next few days, allowing the 752 in for it's makeover...
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:37 pm

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 20):

Wow...real nice! I really hope I'm on that plane for my 8 hr and 55 min flight home from Oslo, Norway!

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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:02 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 17):
last one was a STC airplane, so it took longer

I haven't been following all of the CO 752 changes - Why did this particular 752 have a STC?
 
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:01 am

I have another question. If I were to fly transAtlantic with CO in July 2008, my chances of flying an AVOD equipped 777 would be much higher than an AVOD 757? The 777 is also more desirable because it has PTV's, albeit on a loop system, but that is better than overhead screens.
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 25):
I have another question. If I were to fly transAtlantic with CO in July 2008, my chances of flying an AVOD equipped 777 would be much higher than an AVOD 757? The 777 is also more desirable because it has PTV's, albeit on a loop system, but that is better than overhead screens.

Actually, no. The 777s are taking a lot longer to upgrade as they already have PTVs, so they are only going to do the upgrade when the 777 has scheduled maintenance, and will be finished by christmas 2009. The 757s are actually being removed from the fleet for the purpose of replacing the Y seats and adding AVOD to the Y cabin, and will be finished sooner (by next christmas).

So next summer, your odds will be higher that you'll be on a 752 with AVOD, as atleast 2/3rds will be finished, while the 777 conversion may only be 1/2 done. But you are right, on the 777, your odds of getting a PTV are 100%.

Also, the 777 seats are wider, but the pitch is just as bad at 31". But I think the new 757 seats "feel" a little roomier in the knee space.

The 767 is your best bet for seat pitch at 32" and seat width at 17.9" and of course it has PTVs as well, but chance of AVOD is 0%.  Smile
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 22):
Ship 853 ( a 753) is still in MCOMX. It should be out in the next few days, allowing the 752 in for it's makeover...

Acft 853 is in the C check line at the south hangar, the 757-200s getting the AVOD Mod will be done in the north hangar Mod Line, 2 different areas and types of checks. Different maintenance lines. In the north hangar we have 2 Mod Lines, in the south hangar we have 2 C Check Lines.


Quoting Akelley728 (Reply 24):
I haven't been following all of the CO 752 changes - Why did this particular 752 have a STC?

Changed a lot on the aircraft, had to see if it all worked and didn't overload anything. New seats with AVOD system installed, new power feed lines, the new seats in coach have power available for computers in every seat assembly, zonal dryer system, etc..... Modified the aircraft so the FAA had to sign off on it. We are also modifying the 737-800s with a new galley, adding 2 1st class seats and getting rid of the eyebrow windows, and this month we are to install winglets on our plain 737-900s, which the first aircraft will also be a STC aircraft.
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 26):
So next summer, your odds will be higher that you'll be on a 752 with AVOD

Thanks for the info, but avoiding EWR in the evening is worth it I think. I'm anxiously awaiting CO to post their LHR schedules because that is probably when I will buy my tickets. LHR vs. LGW really isn't much of an issue, but I want to fly on a 777 (who doesn't), and I've been on a 767 before (not a -400, but still a 767).
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:53 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 27):
We are also modifying the 737-800s with a new galley, adding 2 1st class seats and getting rid of the eyebrow windows, and this month we are to install winglets on our plain 737-900s, which the first aircraft will also be a STC aircraft.

Although I never flew a 737 without the eyebrow windows, I can attest to the fact that this is one of the best mods they've come up with in a while. After years on the 727 and 737 (sideways stints on 747s, DC-10s, and in the right seat of 777s notwithstanding) one of the nicest things about the 757/767 cockpit was the lack of the high-angle glare produced by the eyebrow windows. I'm sure more than a handful of 737 drivers are mighty happy with the modified ships.

Good to see the -900s will be getting the APB tips as well. Their hot-and-high skills are lacking even compared to the -800, which itself is by no means an overly robust performer in this corner of the envelope. The winglets will not only expand their mission profile but also cut fuel burn in this brave new world of $100/barrel crude.

What's the deal with the new galleys on the -800s? Lighter materials? Didn't notice any wholesale changes on my last flight on a ship with the modified configuration.
 
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:49 am

Sorry - this is just one of those acronyms that I haven't learned yet - what does STC mean in this case? Being from Minneapolis originally I just think of the St Cloud Airport - obviously it means something else here.
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:25 pm

Quoting 777gk (Reply 29):
What's the deal with the new galleys on the -800s? Lighter materials? Didn't notice any wholesale changes on my last flight on a ship with the modified configuration.

The galley is narrower and allows room for another 1st class seat assembly, 1AB is the new seat, not there on the unmodified aircraft. The galley is lighter but it seems because it is smaller. With installing the seat assembly, a window is also added and the window plug that was behind the old galley. There are 2 window plugs behind the old galley, with the new there is only 1 on the front left side of the aircraft. Next year it is rumored we will get rid of the infamous seat 29D on the 737-800s, by moving the lavatories around.

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 30):
Sorry - this is just one of those acronyms that I haven't learned yet - what does STC mean in this case? Being from Minneapolis originally I just think of the St Cloud Airport - obviously it means something else here.

Read this for some good info;

http://www.astech-engineering.com/sy...onics/aircraft/faastcprocess2.html
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:50 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 31):
Read this for some good info;

Great info. It just doesn't happen to say what STC stands for. As far as I can see, the whole website refers to it as STC...  Wink
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:25 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 32):
It just doesn't happen to say what STC stands for.

Isn't it Supplemental Type Certificate?
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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:58 pm

It is supplemental type certificate, yessir.

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RE: CO 757s With PTV

Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 32):
Great info. It just doesn't happen to say what STC stands for. As far as I can see, the whole website refers to it as STC...

Hey, it did, I thought I saw it in there. Kind of hidden though, sorry, should have made it more clear.

" 2-2. SUBMITTAL AND EVALUATION OF APPLICATION AND DATA.

a. FAA Form 8110-12, Application for Type Certificate, Production Certificate, or ***Supplemental Type Certificate***, should be submitted to the FAA ACO with a letter that includes:"
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