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Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:51 am

On Nov. 5, Air China announced that the airline will launch Beijing-Pyongyang route on Jan. 2, 2008, flying three times per week (Wed, Fri, Sun). This new service means that the airline's international operations (including Hong Kong SAR and Macau SAR) will be increased to 72 routes.

Full flight schedule of Beijing-Pyongyang service is available at http://en.carnoc.com/list/4/4888.html

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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:48 am

Is there any idea to serve a country where people can't get in or out?
 
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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 1):
Is there any idea to serve a country where people can't get in or out?

While not a great many, North Korea does attract tourists - and there's a, admittedly, limited amount of business travel in and out...
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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:10 am

Quoting Leskova (Reply 2):
While not a great many, North Korea does attract tourists - and there's a, admittedly, limited amount of business travel in and out...

Correct. Also let's not forget the increasing number of government officials not only from China and North Korea but also other parts of the world. In order to get to North Korea for foreign officials, most of them have to go to Beijing first, then fly from Beijing to Pyongyang.
 
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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:30 pm

I wonder if I would be allowed in, as I already have a US Green Card along with my Chinese passport...
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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:03 pm

Quoting Carnoc (Thread starter):
On Nov. 5, Air China announced that the airline will launch Beijing-Pyongyang route on Jan. 2, 2008, flying three times per week (Wed, Fri, Sun). This new service means that the airline's international operations (including Hong Kong SAR and Macau SAR) will be increased to 72 routes.

The route was already operated by different Chinese Airlines before, mostly only seasonal during Summer period. If not mistaken, China Northern and China Eastern flew that route, sometimes as PEK-FNJ and PEK-DLC-FNJ vv.

Quoting 747WanSui (Reply 4):
I wonder if I would be allowed in, as I already have a US Green Card along with my Chinese passport...

You can obtain DPRK visa as long as you have any passport except US and ROK.

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 1):
Is there any idea to serve a country where people can't get in or out?

Do you really think they would fly that route if there wouldn't be any?!
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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:06 pm

Right now Air Koryo is THE option...and it's a fine airline, but Westerners take some fear in their old aircraft, or so I have experienced. I think this is smart, and I think they will do well, especially with Westerners.
 
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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:22 pm

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 5):
The route was already operated by different Chinese Airlines before, mostly only seasonal during Summer period. If not mistaken, China Northern and China Eastern flew that route, sometimes as PEK-FNJ and PEK-DLC-FNJ vv.

That was the case, I thought it was only China Northern with MD80s, but interesting to learn the MU also served Pyongyang.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 6):
Right now Air Koryo is THE option...and it's a fine airline, but Westerners take some fear in their old aircraft, or so I have experienced. I think this is smart, and I think they will do well, especially with Westerners.

Shame people are afraid of them - one of the best active fleets out there! Il-18, Il-62, Tu154 all fly on the Beijing route.


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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:31 pm

Indeed, it is probably one of the last places in East Asia where one could still fly the IL-62M on a relatively-short scheduled service.

I flew on Air Koryo's PEK-FNJ-PEK service in September 2003 and the IL-62M (P-881) was immaculate (both on the inside and outside). Service was fine - not the best around certainly but certainly was not bad either.

At Sunan Airport in Pyongyang, one could see Air Koryo's TU-154s, TU-134s and IL-76s and beyond customs and immigration formalities on departure, there is a huge window through which one could openly snap a few pictures.

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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:50 pm

Quoting Aviasian (Reply 8):
At Sunan Airport in Pyongyang, one could see Air Koryo's TU-154s, TU-134s and IL-76s and beyond customs and immigration formalities on departure, there is a huge window through which one could openly snap a few pictures.

That is interesting. Did you go there with Koryo tours, or another operator? It's one of the places I would simply love to visit one day soon.


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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:54 pm

On a side note, I remember reading many years ago in "The World's Most Dangerous Places" or "Lonely Traveller" (one of those books!) that when one of the Chinese airlines used to fly into Pyongyang, most of the employees had to raise vegetables in their bathtubs for extra food!

I wonder if Air China will have volunteers for this station or if they will have to "require" agents to fly there.
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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:40 pm

Just got back from a trip into the DPRK. Went with Koryo Tours in Beijing. Americans can get visas for the DPRK but its only during the Arirang festival and only for 4 days maximum.

And yes, flying in and out on a vintage IL-62 is one of the highlights of the trip
 
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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:04 am

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 5):
Do you really think they would fly that route if there wouldn't be any?!

Yeah. As CA is one of few carriers who still fly to some countries because of political reasons.  Smile
 
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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:51 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9):
That is interesting. Did you go there with Koryo tours, or another operator? It's one of the places I would simply love to visit one day soon.

anyone up for an a.net Pyongyang meet? Big grin
 
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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:37 pm

And another destination on the Star Alliance route map gets added! They really do go everywhere!

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 13):
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9):
That is interesting. Did you go there with Koryo tours, or another operator? It's one of the places I would simply love to visit one day soon.

anyone up for an a.net Pyongyang meet? Big grin

Hahaha, fantastic, good luck trying to get around the authorities to spot there Big grin
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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:27 pm

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 12):
Yeah. As CA is one of few carriers who still fly to some countries because of political reasons.

Well possible, but the route wouldn't be operated if there wouldn't be any demand for it. Same goes btw for Air Koryo which stopped their Moscow service several years ago.

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 14):

Hahaha, fantastic, good luck trying to get around the authorities to spot there

Well, it is possible to take pictures at FNJ (see picture data base) but yes, I also doubt that they would like to see a spotter meeting at the airport.  Smile
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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:38 pm

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 13):
anyone up for an a.net Pyongyang meet?

Count me in  Wink

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 15):
Well, it is possible to take pictures at FNJ (see picture data base) but yes, I also doubt that they would like to see a spotter meeting at the airport.

Slip them a few €€€ and I'm sure they would be perfectly happy with it  silly 


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RE: Air China To Fly To Pyongyang From Jan. 2008

Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:35 pm

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 5):
The route was already operated by different Chinese Airlines before, mostly only seasonal during Summer period. If not mistaken, China Northern and China Eastern flew that route, sometimes as PEK-FNJ and PEK-DLC-FNJ vv.

Air China have operated there before as have CAAC.

China Southern operated Shenyang-Pyongyang with MD-90 seasonally from 2004 and Beijing-Pyongyang with 737-300 from 2005 uptil earlier this year.

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