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Regional Contracts

Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:44 pm

With all the RFP's that went out in the past two years, when will they be up for rebid? I know Mesa's CRJ900 flying is for a year and a half -- I know Skywest has a pretty good deal with United at this point. What about Republic and all their flying? I'm wondering only because of what the regional playing field might look like in the next 4 years.
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RE: Regional Contracts

Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:48 pm

I think that Skywest, Horizon and American Eagle are all ok and going to do well...Mesa, Trans States and Comair we will see and who knows about the little guys like Great Lakes and Big Sky... could some regionals combine?
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:52 pm

I was hoping they would. I think Big Sky will be ok with the addition of the DL flying. Great Lakes has the Frontier codeshare and a ton of EAS flying. Comair I think is in a position to be purchased by another carrier, not sure if they have any labor issues. I think Mesa would love to purchase Comair, I would hope that wouldn't happen but rather Air Wisconsin and Comair team up.
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RE: Regional Contracts

Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:57 am

I think Air Whisky should stay put and just keep riding the wave thier on, but Great Lakes is going to need to fnd something if thier Frontier code share dries up. I think that Xjet will either be something amazing in years to come or jut be another independence air.
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:52 am

If the regionals were smart, they would consolidate and raise their rates for the RFPs. I doubt this will happen though, so we will continue to see dozens of carriers whipsawed against each other fighting for the same flying.
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RE: Regional Contracts

Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:08 am

I would look for PSA, Air Wisconsin and Piedmont to increase US Airways express flying SIGNIFICANTLY, and soon. They make up only 17% of the express flying and with Mesa being Mesa, all three are poised to take over. Just my  twocents 
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:36 am

With $90/+ barrel oil, any regional that is not buying and flying turboprops will be in bad shape... XJT's stock has gotten clobbered by the Street, down to around $3. Look for consoldation and transformation. I will also add that regionals flying with pilots with less than 3 years total experience in Part 121 service are facing a huge liability...
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting Cirrusdriver (Reply 5):
I would look for PSA, Air Wisconsin and Piedmont to increase US Airways express flying SIGNIFICANTLY, and soon. They make up only 17% of the express flying and with Mesa being Mesa, all three are poised to take over. Just my

17 Percent? Where did you get that number from? Collectively, the three carriers probably make up something closer to 60 percent of the Express flying. Air Wisconsin has the biggest share of all the express flying. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me for actual percentages. Mesa's contract is up in 2011 unfortunately, so they will be around until then, unless they really have problems with the HA judgement and have to file bankruptcy. Air Wisconsin will be around until 2015, and PSA and Piedmont are wholly owned. Yes PSA and Piedmont could be spun off, but US does not need to do that right now, and with them hiring pilots again, this gives them a pool of pilots to choose from who already know the US system and how it works.

The only thing I could realistically see on the USAirways Express side is for Air Wisconsin to replace some 50 seaters with 70 seaters, but they are steadfastly determined to keep all 70 of their 50 seaters on the property (This is where in my opinion ZW blew the United Contract and let the Republic Air Group become a big player from nothing), so who knows what that will mean. Also remember that some of the Express flying for Airways is at risk or EAS, and with PIT going where its going, Trans States may not last much longer with US.

The one thing I think is going to happen is a ComAir spin off. Everyone says Mesa will try to buy them, but I don't believe Mesa Air Group is a position to buy anyone given the fact that they are losing money (Especially on the GO operation and the United Operation), and the HA case is still trying to be resolved. SkyWest would be in the best position I think, but then if that happened, Delta suddenly would find themselves almost in an All eggs in one basket scenario which they hate, with SkyWest then controlling about 80 percent of the Delta Connection operations. (Although they have others, noteably Shuttle America, Pinnacle and Freedom Air) And you could almost certainly look for Labor relations to get nasty if SkyWest starts moving ComAir flying onto the SkyWest certificate. The only other group out there with the resources to buy a spun off ComAir would probably be EastShore Aviation, which is the investment arm run by the Air Wisconsin people. If this happened, one thing I would love to see as a result would be a merged seniority list, which would probably go smoothly since both companies have somewhat a senior group (Though ZW has rapidly been getting more junior lately). We shall see what happens though.
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:52 am

To many regionals and not enough flying -- makes for a very nasty mix. Anyone have any ideas as to when we can expect to see any type of movement with the regionals?
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RE: Regional Contracts

Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 7):
SkyWest would be in the best position I think, but then if that happened, Delta suddenly would find themselves almost in an All eggs in one basket

I'm just not sure if they would like to do another union carrier. ASA was a big enough problem for them. However, they do have the money and it would secure a lot of Delta flying.
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RE: Regional Contracts

Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:03 pm

Quoting Flyby519 (Reply 4):
If the regionals were smart, they would consolidate and raise their rates for the RFPs. I doubt this will happen though, so we will continue to see dozens of carriers whipsawed against each other fighting for the same flying.

So you're saying that they should make deals with each other and fix prices??? Now why would they want to do that, I'm sure the DOJ would have a big problem with that.
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RE: Regional Contracts

Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:24 pm

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 10):
So you're saying that they should make deals with each other and fix prices??? Now why would they want to do that, I'm sure the DOJ would have a big problem with that.

No, I am just saying that if there were fewer regional operators for, then they could raise rates and make more money with less competition. This is exactly what mainline operators are doing right now. Trimming capacity/ASMs, talking about mergers, etc. Its called consolidation.
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RE: Regional Contracts

Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:33 pm

What about any new regional start ups? I know Vision Air is trying to get some EAS routes and has bid against Mesa and Great Lakes at a lot lower of a price and on newer a/c. Could any majors now think about having a new regional as their connection/commuter/express link...like AirTran, b6 or Wn or g4? just curious
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:20 pm

Sorry for the bad info, fellas. I should have stated that PSA makes up 17% of express flying and is poised to take over a significant portion of another US Express carriers flying. I spoke with they're chief pilot (I think was his title, could have been head of flight ops) who was jumpseating with us a few weeks ago. Either way the regionals under the US Airways banner, minus one of them, are going to get busy.
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 7):
Mesa Air Group is a position to buy anyone given the fact that they are losing money

Losing money?? 99% of their flying is either Fee for Departure or EAS Contracts (Air Midwest)??? the only unprofitable routes are GO! and Mesa has plenty of $$$ in the bank to cover it on top of the 80 mil they have to dish out. I would love to see Johnny O finally get his but he always seems to pull a miracle out his rear to save himself
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:07 am

Actually MESA does not have the money in the bank to cover the HA and AQ lawsuits as well as possible fines by the SEC. Last heard they only around $200,000,000 in the bank. Also with the CLT ops moving to mostly RW flying and a few PSA flights. So I think that MESA may not be around for too much longer.
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RE: Regional Contracts

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting CirrusDriver (Reply 13):
Either way the regionals under the US Airways banner, minus one of them, are going to get busy.

So which airline is going to get kicked out? I know it isn't YV, they have PHX all to themselves. PSA? Piedmont? Republic? Air Wiskey? Colgan? Who else flies for U.S?
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting CirrusDriver (Reply 13):
Sorry for the bad info, fellas. I should have stated that PSA makes up 17% of express flying and is poised to take over a significant portion of another US Express carriers flying. I spoke with they're chief pilot (I think was his title, could have been head of flight ops) who was jumpseating with us a few weeks ago. Either way the regionals under the US Airways banner, minus one of them, are going to get busy.

Where is PSA getting the pilots from for this? They're struggling for pilots right now as it is.

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 16):
Colgan?

With Colgan losing pretty much their entire PIT line, they're awfully thin for US sans EAS routes.
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 16):
So which airline is going to get kicked out? I know it isn't YV, they have PHX all to themselves. PSA? Piedmont? Republic? Air Wiskey? Colgan? Who else flies for U.S?

It won't be Mesa or Air Wisconsin due to contracts running into 2011 and later. PSA and Piedmont are wholly owned, so it won't be them. Republic's contract is fairly new, so I don't think it will be them. Chautauqua's contract is one I don't know the status of too much. If that goes up soon, then this could be some of the flying, although their flying for US is very limited. Trans States is currently doing at risk flying for US, so I doubt this would be replaced if it ended, although it would mean even less service in PIT (As if it couldn't get any worse)

Truth be told, I don't know how reliable the source is, because I just don't see how anything can change at US, unless Air Wisconsin can find someone else who needs 50 seat RJ's, at which point they can bring 70 seaters onto the property that US clearly wants. If Mesa is forced to park RJ's in PHX, then ZW could move flying out there. However US management has made it clear they only want one express carrier doing all the PHX flying, and since Mesa has the current contract, PHX is unfortunately stuck with them for the time being.
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:53 am

I would also add that congestion in the NY metro will probably cause the majors to upscale the equipment, which is further bad news for the regionals that aren't flying turbo props. The performance of the RJs is horrible, and contributes to increased fuel burn for the majors.

Turboprops and big jets work well in congested airspace; RJs are in the way.
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:57 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 18):
If Mesa is forced to park RJ's in PHX

Why would YV park aircraft?
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 20):
Why would YV park aircraft?

They don't have enough pilots. It is not just a YV problem but there are alot of YV haters on here so they make it sound as if everyone else is better and it's only Mesa that has these problems
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 21):
They don't have enough pilots.

At the moment, it's not a problem with not having enough pilots, its just that there are so many in training. Somewhere around 350 I believe. There is such a training backup right now that YV has stopped hiring pilots.
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:25 pm

Mesa stopped hiring pilots? For some reason I doubt that. Looking at the webpage there are a number of hiring dates.
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RE: Regional Contracts

Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:24 pm

I you meet the minimums most regionals would hire you on the spot and if you have any turbine pic most will hire you as a street captain. What about Commut Air or Gulstream? Where do these guys go...
 
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RE: Regional Contracts

Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:40 pm

They get hired on a FO's at a new airline. And there are not really any street captains being hired at established carriers.
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RE: Regional Contracts

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:56 am

Compass was the only airline I've heard of that hired someone off the street as a CA.

Its very interesting that Delta has said that it wants to purchase another airline before it sells off it's mx operation or Comair.
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RE: Regional Contracts

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 26):
Compass was the only airline I've heard of that hired someone off the street as a CA.

Lynx did this as well.

Oh wait:

IT'S A NEW CERTIFICATE. SOMEONE HAS TO BE CAPTAIN.
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RE: Regional Contracts

Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:10 am

Mesaba is hiring street captain's for the SAAB
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RE: Regional Contracts

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:46 am

I am not trying to start anything go to airlinepilotcentral and see most mins are very easy to achieve and street captains are being hired

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