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Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:50 pm

VX finally annonuced service from SAN to SFO today

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/071107/130795.html
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:52 pm

So, the worst kept secret in the U.S. airline industry in the last year is official!  Smile

Good for SAN. (By rumblings here on A.net, it sounds like MIA and/or SEA may be next.)
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:08 pm

Welcome to SAN-SFO air traffic delays! I hope they've built a lot of flexibility into their schedule. SFO has had flow control almost every day for the past two weeks. The beauty of UA having about 10 to 12 flights a day is that they move you up to the first flight departing (if there's a seat...which isn't always the case). So if you're leaving at 10:00 am and that flight is ATC delayed, they'll put you on the 8:30 am departure that was subject to a ground stop but will be departing at 10:00. With only a few flights a day, Virgin won't have that option. My advice to anyone who absolutely has to be in SFO for a meeting or connection: Take the first flight of the day that leaves before 7:00 am. Those flights are rarely delayed.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:18 pm

Good for them, although i must say I am surprised SANFan didn't break this on A.net
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:08 pm

At last! Good to see that VA has finally firmed up its plans to come to SAN. I wonder which gates they'll be using.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:27 pm

The press release only states service to SFO but on there website on the route map its shows service between SAN and both JFK/IAD beginning Feb 13th
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:29 pm

Quoting MIAUA777 (Reply 5):
shows service between SAN and both JFK/IAD beginning Feb 13th

SAN-JFK/IAD require a connection in SFO. The route map should state that directly, instead of implying non stop service from SAN to JFK/IAD.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:05 pm

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 2):
Welcome to SAN-SFO air traffic delays! I hope they've built a lot of flexibility into their schedule. SFO has had flow control almost every day for the past two weeks. The beauty of UA having about 10 to 12 flights a day is that they move you up to the first flight departing (if there's a seat...which isn't always the case). So if you're leaving at 10:00 am and that flight is ATC delayed, they'll put you on the 8:30 am departure that was subject to a ground stop but will be departing at 10:00. With only a few flights a day, Virgin won't have that option. My advice to anyone who absolutely has to be in SFO for a meeting or connection: Take the first flight of the day that leaves before 7:00 am. Those flights are rarely delayed.

There is nothing beautiful about a GDP into SFO, especially on UA.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:06 pm

Congrats, however hope VX is ready to battle it out with United and Southwest in this market.

As we know Alaska Airlines whom has a well established California franchise decided the heat was too much and got off the route.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:17 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
Congrats, however hope VX is ready to battle it out with United and Southwest in this market.

As we know Alaska Airlines whom has a well established California franchise decided the heat was too much and got off the route.


[Edited 2007-11-07 09:28:26]
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:39 pm

I believe the real battle will be between Southwest and Virgin America. UA does well with its vast domestic and international network out of SFO. Add to that its Mileage Plus whores and they'll do fine. Sure they might lose a bit of O & D traffic and will have to match fares, but even with WN entering the market, UA's SAN-SFO flights are still packed.

WN is a proven marketing success and known entity. We'll see what creative ways Virgin America will find to market and sell their product. The "hip" factor won't sell to everyone. Most will continue to buy tickets for a 1 1/2 hour flight based on price, price, price and schedule, schedule, schedule.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:09 pm

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 11):
I believe the real battle will be between Southwest and Virgin America. UA does well with its vast domestic and international network out of SFO. Add to that its Mileage Plus whores and they'll do fine. Sure they might lose a bit of O & D traffic and will have to match fares, but even with WN entering the market, UA's SAN-SFO flights are still packed.

If UA was doing so fine, they wouldn't have retired the Shuttle product, when they were soundly defeated by WN, and that was with WN not even flying UA's flagship intra-CA market, LAX-SFO.
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quote=Bicoastal,reply=11]WN is a proven marketing success and known entity.[/quote]


True. By lowering the service bar so low they can exceed all expectations and declare victory. The only thing WN, and to an extent UA have is covereage and frequency. Both of which diminish in value when the service level is so low and the planes start looking shabby by the early afternoon.

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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:17 pm

BTW anyone notice SFO is in a GDP until 2359z?

Looks like tomorrow morning is gonna be a real humdinger for a forecast...1/4sm visibility!

[Edited 2007-11-07 10:41:55]
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:20 pm

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 3):
Good for them, although i must say I am surprised SANFan didn't break this on A.net

Hey, so I picked a bad day to sleep in! (In my defense, I DID check the VX website last night -- as always -- and it showed nothing new except I did notice that the job posting for the SAN Station Mgr was finally gone...

Quoting MIAUA777 (Reply 5):
The press release only states service to SFO but on there website on the route map its shows service between SAN and both JFK/IAD beginning Feb 13th

It looks pretty clear to me that the SAN service is only to SFO with connections to JFK and IAD (for now anyway...)

Well, needless to say, I'm glad something has finally broken on this long-awaited event (by me anyway.) I have some investigating and inquiring to do to get myself up to speed on this .

Congrat's to Virgin and welcome to America's Finest City!  Smile

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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:39 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
It looks pretty clear to me that the SAN service is only to SFO with connections to JFK and IAD (for now anyway...)

Well, needless to say, I'm glad something has finally broken on this long-awaited event (by me anyway.) I have some investigating and inquiring to do to get myself up to speed on this .

Congrat's to Virgin and welcome to America's Finest City!

I would say the city with some of the best weather in the country. I wonder if MIA starts, VX will jump on SAN-MIA?
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:51 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
Hey, so I picked a bad day to sleep in!

No problem. You gonna try it out and write a TR?
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:59 pm

Quoting N77014 (Reply 11):
True. By lowering the service bar so low they can exceed all expectations and declare victory

Southwest merely didn't promise more than they could deliver. At Southwest, you get what you pay for, an airplane ticket - not a dining experience or shangri la from coast to coast. People need to get used to paying for what they want instead of buying an airline ticket and expecting meals, entertainment and someone to cater to their every whim.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:08 pm

Let us also not forget United's VAST business contracts within the state of California!!

Hewlett-Packard (I almost used HP!!), for example, has dozens of employees shuttling back and forth between northern and southern California every day. A friend of mine who works for them has the flight numbers memorized and can do the "well-if-there's-a-ground-stop-on-flight-XXX-can-you-get-me-on-flight-YYY?" thing without even trying. Hewlett-Packard even has a special location on their website specifically for their employees to book flights DIRECTLY on United with United's HP discount.

Hewlett-Packard also allows its employees to book travel on Southwest if they prefer - many do, and this shows how important the business traveller is on this route.

As for Virgin America, I wish them luck - but both F9 and AS tried very hard to crack the intra-California market, both without much success. I think they'll have much more success on long haul than they will here.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:09 pm

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 15):
No problem. You gonna try it out and write a TR?

Too late! I'm already flying them in F on SFO-LAX this Tuesday!  Wink
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:26 pm

Quoting San747 (Reply 18):
Too late! I'm already flying them in F on SFO-LAX this Tuesday

Dont 4get the TR
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:28 pm

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 19):
Dont 4get the TR

I won't! This (hopefully) will be like nothing else I've ever flown.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:27 pm

This will be good for me. I travel down to Southern California at least three times a year. Im thinking og moving down to San Diego for college so hearing news that low fares on another airline will be heading down there is wonderful for me. Hopefully they will be 44 dollar faress like the LAX run!!!
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:38 pm

Quoting B752OS (Reply 14):
I wonder if MIA starts, VX will jump on SAN-MIA?

Definitely not at first. Delivery of new aircraft is pretty slow, so they can only add so many trans-cons. Aircraft deliveries are likely going to be a big factor in dictatating if Seattle or Miami comes next.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:11 am

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 15):
No problem. You gonna try it out and write a TR?

I sure will be trying them out as soon as I can (and a T R will follow!) You know I was kind of wondering at the beginning of this week, with all the WN-announcement talk heating up, if VX might possibly try a bit of up-staging and announce something before Thursday. (I just didn't think about it seriously enough to get up earlier to check the VX website.)

Quoting B752OS (Reply 14):
I wonder if MIA starts, VX will jump on SAN-MIA?

I asked this very question on another VX thread a few days ago. Of course the big question remains as to what the VX route map will look like in a year: hub-and-spoke with only LA and SF as the hubs and everything else connected as spokes, or a nice big web with lots and lots of P-2-P connectors. (Or, a third option and my choice would be hub-and-spoke with a broad hub of California -- meaning SF, LA and SD -- connected to the rest of the nation. This option is about 95% dreaming and fantasy on my part, and 5% sensible and realistic thinking.)

LAS and now SAN remain merely spokes right now but I think it's a bit early to tell what the big picture might be. The a/c delivery delays (due apparently to IFE installation issues) have, I think, kind of screwed up expansion plans a bit and I would imagine VX's priority will be to get some additional stations on line ASAP which would imply connections only with SFO and possibly LA for the foreseeable future.

In any case, at some point, assuming things remain as they are, and neither AA nor B6 (or anyone else) start flying n/s SAN-MIA/FLL, I would hope VX route planning will see the healthy traffic figures and "Not Currently Served" status of the route and connect the 2 cities.

Remember too that SAN is the first city served by VX that is not also (already) served by big cousin, Virgin Atlantic. I don't know how meaningful this is, particularly due to the delicate nature of the relationship (or not) of the 2 carriers, but it could be important. (I haven't really had a good look at schedules yet and I'm very curious to see if the SAN flights happen to connect nicely with VS's SFO-LHR service...)

Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 4):
I wonder which gates they'll be using.

I'm trying to find out the answer to this question as well Lindy'; the terminal maps at SAN.org have not yet been updated. I'll post it as soon as I find out. (My guess remains T2E with gate(s) out at the end of the concourse, 30-31-32-ish. I really hope they are going after 2 gates!  Wink )

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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:45 am

Have they thought of flying into SNA? I would love it since my friends live down there and i fly down to see them at least three times a year.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:58 am

Quoting Apollo13 (Reply 24):
Have they thought of flying into SNA?

I'm sure they have, but from practical stand point they might be waiting for years for slots to become vacant and even then its likely going to be only 1 or 2 sets, possibly at not the most commercially advantageous times either.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 23):
I'm trying to find out the answer to this question as well Lindy'; the terminal maps at SAN.org have not yet been updated. I'll post it as soon as I find out. (My guess remains T2E with gate(s) out at the end of the concourse, 30-31-32-ish. I really hope they are going after 2 gates! Wink )

The airport website already mentions Terminal 2 (where, I ask, where?), no word on gates yet.

Quoting San747 (Reply 18):
Too late! I'm already flying them in F on SFO-LAX this Tuesday! Wink

Too late! I already did LAS-SFO in F last month  Wink.

Silly bragging rights aside, though, you will love it. Their product simply blows the competition away. If the airline can survive long enough to build up frequency on key routes such that it is attractive to business travelers, it will be very successful.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 25):

yeah. Thats true and does anyone down there know how the development of the new terminal is going? Or is it an expansion and again, how many new gates will there be?
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:58 pm

Quoting N77014 (Reply 11):
True. By lowering the service bar so low they can exceed all expectations and declare victory. The only thing WN, and to an extent UA have is covereage and frequency. Both of which diminish in value when the service level is so low and the planes start looking shabby by the early afternoon.

Since we are in the new millenium, its time for a new millenium product.

Frequency is very important when trying to lure the short-haul business traveler. I haven't gotten to experience flying on VX. I hear it is a great experience! But at the end of the day, SAN-SFO is a 1 hour flight and all the bells and whistles don't matter much in that parameter. Price and Convenience should win out, but we shall see!
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:05 pm

Quoting Luvfa (Reply 28):
Frequency is very important when trying to lure the short-haul business traveler. I haven't gotten to experience flying on VX. I hear it is a great experience! But at the end of the day, SAN-SFO is a 1 hour flight and all the bells and whistles don't matter much in that parameter. Price and Convenience should win out, but we shall see!

Well said though a majority believe VX is the best thing since sliced bread and is changing air travel by the minute. Other then ordering food from your seat I really see nothing cutting edge or terribly exciting.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 29):

Well said though a majority believe VX is the best thing since sliced bread and is changing air travel by the minute. Other then ordering food from your seat I really see nothing cutting edge or terribly exciting.

If you haven't flown them yet, I recommend you do. Their hard product (the seat and cabin), especially in first class, is far better than any U.S. domestic carrier and many international carriers. The entertainment system, of which the ordering-food-from-your-seat feature is a minimal and forgettable aspect, transforms the AVOD concept.

What the airline needs to do is add more first class seats, bump up frequencies on key corridors and fight tooth and nail for corporate contracts and independent business travelers. They have a real competitive advantage in their service offering, and, as a new carrier, can probably keep costs down such that they can play the pricing game. Frequency remains the missing ingredient, and 5x daily on a route like SAN-SFO is not a bad showing right out of the gate.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:21 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 29):
Well said though a majority believe VX is the best thing since sliced bread and is changing air travel by the minute. Other then ordering food from your seat I really see nothing cutting edge or terribly exciting.

Actually, in terms of airlines, they are the best thing since sliced bread. I recently tried them on a short day-trip to SFO, one way in coach the other in First. It is single handily the best domestic airline I have ever flown on. Other airlines have a reason to be worried.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 4):
I wonder which gates they'll be using.



Quoting Trvlr (Reply 26):
The airport website already mentions Terminal 2 (where, I ask, where?), no word on gates yet.

There is very small counter space at the upper parts of T2. They can occupy where SX used to be now that SX pulled out of SAN. VX can use that.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:10 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 32):
There is very small counter space at the upper parts of T2. They can occupy where SX used to be now that SX pulled out of SAN. VX can use that.

Since when did Skybus pull SAN?
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:55 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 32):
There is very small counter space at the upper parts of T2. They can occupy where SX used to be now that SX pulled out of SAN. VX can use that.

"It's all in the timing!"

Virgin begins serving Lindbergh on Feb 12 and the Bus flies to and from SAN thru March 7... But since there is no space over in T1, we know that VX will definitely be living somewhere in T2 (probably T2E.)

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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:59 pm

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 29):
I really see nothing cutting edge or terribly exciting.

I know, assigned seats, google maps, and flights to regular airports can be incredibly boring.
 
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:31 pm

Quoting San747 (Reply 33):
Since when did Skybus pull SAN?

Very recently, I don't remember the exact date it was announced.
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RE: Virgin America Announces Service To SAN

Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:55 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 31):
Actually, in terms of airlines, they are the best thing since sliced bread. I recently tried them on a short day-trip to SFO, one way in coach the other in First. It is single handily the best domestic airline I have ever flown on. Other airlines have a reason to be worried

Lets see they have roughly seven or so planes and the deliveries are not coming all that fast, yeah the majors are shaking!
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